According to twitter feed capcom has no resources for next gen fighting game

[cmdrdredd]

Well maybe there is no money available for a new fighting game, or maybe capcom is really hurting. I don't know their situation. Someone suggests kick starter too. I think kick starter is a terrible idea for a company as large as capcom.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...uffer&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Buffer

 

[exdeath]

And yet they probably still have more money now than they did at their height in the NES / SNES days, but its still not enough. Fucking "investors" and their unsustainable "every year must be a record year" business models.

 

[purbeast0]

ono has been known and has a history of trolling the internet, so i don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth like this.

i am 100% confident that USF4 will be coming to X1 and PS4 at some point next year, after like 6 months of them banking on the 360 and ps3 money.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well, perhaps what he meant was that Capcom is not going to dedicate any resources for a true next-gen fighter like Killer Instinct. I can understand that. They are doing other projects at capcom. So when he said "there is no resource" it may be closer to "I am not getting the green light to work on new engines"

 

[purbeast0]

Well, perhaps what he meant was that Capcom is not going to dedicate any resources for a true next-gen fighter like Killer Instinct. I can understand that. They are doing other projects at capcom. So when he said "there is no resource" it may be closer to "I am not getting the green light to work on new engines"

again, he's been known to troll. do you know how many times he has said there will be no more updates to SF4? he has pretty much said this since vanilla SF4 came out. you can't take anything he says worth any real meaning.

i wouldn't be surprised if the whole point of him doing this is to make people who are on the fence about buying USF4 for 360/ps3 in hopes that it will come to next gen, will now go buy it on 360/ps3. then months down the road when it comes out on ps4/x1, those people will purchase it again, double dipping and putting more money into capcoms pockets.

 

[smackababy]

Well, perhaps what he meant was that Capcom is not going to dedicate any resources for a true next-gen fighter like Killer Instinct. I can understand that. They are doing other projects at capcom. So when he said "there is no resource" it may be closer to "I am not getting the green light to work on new engines"

I think it is more like this. Capcom won't give him the resources to make SF5 on next gen yet. They want to milk USF4 with a current gen update and then a full priced USF4 release on next gen before committing new resources to a "new" fighting game.

Plus, if you believe anything Ono says in his tweets, you're a moron.

 

[cmdrdredd]

again, he's been known to troll. do you know how many times he has said there will be no more updates to SF4? he has pretty much said this since vanilla SF4 came out. you can't take anything he says worth any real meaning.

i wouldn't be surprised if the whole point of him doing this is to make people who are on the fence about buying USF4 for 360/ps3 in hopes that it will come to next gen, will now go buy it on 360/ps3. then months down the road when it comes out on ps4/x1, those people will purchase it again, double dipping and putting more money into capcoms pockets.

No I don't know how many times lol. I'm just reading what I found today and inferring from that.

 

[purbeast0]

No I don't know how many times lol. I'm just reading what I found today and inferring from that.

yeah he's the biggest troll in the fgc. i'm not surprised that the community over at eventhubs is eating it up though.

 

[Dumac]

With Dragon's Dogma and upcoming Deep Down, I've started to regain some faith in Capcom. Just a little.

They are still dicks policy wise though.

 

[gothamhunter]

That's fine; they can crap their money wherever they want for all I care anymore; I have my MiNo9 to look forward to.

 

[mmntech]

And yet they probably still have more money now than they did at their height in the NES / SNES days, but its still not enough. Fucking "investors" and their unsustainable "every year must be a record year" business models.

Going public can be the kiss of death for companies. It's a good way to get capital but places a lot of limits of experimentation and developing new products.

The thing about Street Fighter though is it doesn't change much for each successive generation. Honestly, I enjoyed Marvel vs Capcom 2 over SF4. I wouldn't be too upset if they didn't put out SF5 for the PS4 and Xbone.

 

[ibex333]

Could this problem Capcom is having be the reason for them suddenly selling so many of their games for PC platform? SF vs. Tekken, SSFIV, SFIV.... And what about others, such as Resident Evil, DmC, etc? If so, whats bad for Capcom, is certainly very, very good for me. I have an "issue" with buying consoles, ever since SEGA Genesis and Dreamcast was mercilessly killed by Sony Playstation, so all those wonderful games are coming to PC, I am happy.


I also wonder if all this is somehow affecting other companies because I suddenly have King of Fighters XII, and Mortal Kombat, with Ninja Gaiden X and Injustice: Gods Among Us coming soon.... Something like this is completely unheard of, and if someone told me 5 years ago these games would be coming to PC I'd call them crazy and laugh hysterically.

I remember all those threads people opened asking of great fighting games would ever come to PC and others laughing and mocking them, saying fighting games on PC is something that is just not viable, and doesn't make sense.

I'd like to speak to all those folks now... *evil smirk*

 

[cmdrdredd]

Could this problem Capcom is having be the reason for them suddenly selling so many of their games for PC platform? SF vs. Tekken, SSFIV, SFIV.... And what about others, such as Resident Evil, DmC, etc? If so, whats bad for Capcom, is certainly very, very good for me. I have an "issue" with buying consoles, ever since SEGA Genesis and Dreamcast was mercilessly killed by Sony Playstation, so all those wonderful games are coming to PC, I am happy.


I also wonder if all this is somehow affecting other companies because I suddenly have King of Fighters XII, and Mortal Kombat, with Ninja Gaiden X and Injustice: Gods Among Us coming soon.... Something like this is completely unheard of, and if someone told me these game would be coming to PC I'd call them crazy and laugh hysterically.

I remember all those threads people opened asking of great fighting games would ever come to PC and others laughing and mocking them, saying fighting games on PC is something that is just not viable, and doesn't make sense.

I'd like to speak to all those folks now... *evil smirk*

The community for fighting games on PC is so small as to make the games nearly worthless. I say this as a Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition owner on PC.

 

[smackababy]

The community for fighting games on PC is so small as to make the games nearly worthless. I say this as a Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition owner on PC.

The problem with real fighting games coming to PC is that it makes them extremely easy to fashion into bootleg arcade cabinets. That is why Street Fighter 4 PC was delayed for so long. When a SF4 cabinet cost like $22,000 and you're forced (as an arcade) to buy two to link them, it is really expensive. Now, in China, they just bootleg the PC version and make a $1,000 SF4 cabinet with ease. Capcom ain't having that!

But yes, the community on PC is terrible (but I'd wager most of them are using their keyboard for inputs).

 

[ibex333]

The community for fighting games on PC is so small as to make the games nearly worthless. I say this as a Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition owner on PC.

While this may be true, is it fair to alienate PC users just because they don't play fighting games "enough"? And what about all those "single player only people"? Do they suddenly not deserve fighting games on PC because they are not competitive enough to be noticed statistics wise?

 

[Arkaign]

I don't care about online multiplayer. When I was young I probably spent many thousands of hours playing SF2 through SSF2 (maybe a few dozen hours playing the alphas afterwards). The entire point of SF style games is being there with your opponent imho, though I could understand those that also like the online atmosphere. It's hard now that arcades are by and large dead in the US.

Perhaps arcades wouldn't be as dead if they adopted a very cheap pricing model though? If pricing it at $2k sold 25x as many, and got them back into more locations, that would be cool. I think the chance for that to succeed has long past though. I guess it was the mid/late 90s where you started to see the total decline of the arcade games being commonly spotted at airports/grocery stores/convenience stores.

If people had thought about it more, perhaps even a profit sharing setup could have been used, where getting the unit put on site was cheap, and ~25% of operating revenue went to the subsidizing vendor for example. At $20k for a cabinet, it would be crazy for those places to even consider something, particularly when it might be vandalized/abused/etc.

 

[purbeast0]

you are in the minority if you don't care about online multiplayer in fighting games. the majority of people do. and you can still get the "arcade experience" because there are many local fighting game tourneys if you look for them, unless you live in the middle of nowhere. but if you live in the middle of nowhere, chances are arcades never were huge there anyways.

the entire point of a fighter has nothing to do with being there with your opponent. it simply has to do with winning and beating your opponent.

 

[exdeath]

The problem with real fighting games coming to PC is that it makes them extremely easy to fashion into bootleg arcade cabinets. That is why Street Fighter 4 PC was delayed for so long. When a SF4 cabinet cost like $22,000 and you're forced (as an arcade) to buy two to link them, it is really expensive. Now, in China, they just bootleg the PC version and make a $1,000 SF4 cabinet with ease. Capcom ain't having that!

But yes, the community on PC is terrible (but I'd wager most of them are using their keyboard for inputs).

If China can build a $1k Arcade cabinet why can't Japan?

$21k markup on $1k of hardware is quite the Lexus tax there... Esp when its running software built on a 5-10 yr old code base.

Did particle board get speculated to death and people are panic buying particle board or something?

 

[Arkaign]

you are in the minority if you don't care about online multiplayer in fighting games. the majority of people do. and you can still get the "arcade experience" because there are many local fighting game tourneys if you look for them, unless you live in the middle of nowhere. but if you live in the middle of nowhere, chances are arcades never were huge there anyways.

the entire point of a fighter has nothing to do with being there with your opponent. it simply has to do with winning and beating your opponent.

See, this is just a difference of opinion. There are many online game types that simply don't 'feel' right to me after playing so many thousands of hours with live multiplayer. By this point, I probably am in the minority. But that's why I haven't played more than 10 minutes of an online MP fighting game ever. It feels like the exact same thing as SP to me, with a light difficulty slider. I also have about 30 minutes a week on a good week to game though, so perhaps if I was more enthusiastic with more time I could feel differently.

The feel of a live tournament must feel massively more intense than faceless online play I would think, for those that experience both and are very 'into' the scene. Otherwise why bother with a live tournament at all? One could simply build the tournament as a purely online event.

 

[purbeast0]

See, this is just a difference of opinion. There are many online game types that simply don't 'feel' right to me after playing so many thousands of hours with live multiplayer. By this point, I probably am in the minority. But that's why I haven't played more than 10 minutes of an online MP fighting game ever. It feels like the exact same thing as SP to me, with a light difficulty slider. I also have about 30 minutes a week on a good week to game though, so perhaps if I was more enthusiastic with more time I could feel differently.

The feel of a live tournament must feel massively more intense than faceless online play I would think, for those that experience both and are very 'into' the scene. Otherwise why bother with a live tournament at all? One could simply build the tournament as a purely online event.

heh if playing online feels like playing single player to you, then you clearly are playing people who are TERRIBLE at the game if they are thinking like the AI in a game. but, you said you've never played more than 10 minutes ever, so you really don't have any experience in it in my book.

sure online isn't nearly as intense as face to face, but the reality is that online is 1000x more convenient than meeting up face to face with people JUST to get some multiplayer experience. and with online, there will ALWAYS be some sort of "lag" so it's not as pure as face to face is at live tournaments, and that scene will never die. infact, it has grown tremendously since the emergence of SF4, a lot of that is due to people being able to get better in their living rooms by playing online.

 

[Arkaign]

I think I just got spoiled by playing SF series live for so many years that playing that game style online doesn't feel involving at all to me. To me I guess much of the fun was the environment, energy, and crowds, and of course being able to see and talk to your opponent. Hell, I won the largest ever live gaming contest (1.1M entrants, 30 city national tour, 9 months long crossing the country before live Hollywood/Universal Studios finals) I know a bit about the intensity of live gaming Those days are pretty much dead now though. I am glad that the fighting game communities have brought back live tournaments though, thank god people at least get a hint of what once was, most of that died before many of those players were even born.

 

[purbeast0]

I think I just got spoiled by playing SF series live for so many years that playing that game style online doesn't feel involving at all to me. To me I guess much of the fun was the environment, energy, and crowds, and of course being able to see and talk to your opponent. Hell, I won the largest ever live gaming contest (1.1M entrants, 30 city national tour, 9 months long crossing the country before live Hollywood/Universal Studios finals) I know a bit about the intensity of live gaming Those days are pretty much dead now though. I am glad that the fighting game communities have brought back live tournaments though, thank god people at least get a hint of what once was, most of that died before many of those players were even born.

you are living in nostalgia world dude. the fighting tournaments of today are MMUUCCHHH larger and more intense than they were back in the days you are thinking about. and the live tournaments never went away, they have always been around. they are just HUGE now compared to what they used to be, with much larger production values as well.

and you can talk to the people you are playing online no problem.

heh, you aren't the only one who grew up in arcades. many many people did who play these games now a days. that's why we all can't play with controllers and NEED joysticks, because of the feel. if you liked it back in the day, you are missing out big time due to not changing with the times. i'd say now is even better than it was back then, because you can get better at these games in your own living room, AND go out and play face to face with people. the difference now is that between the face to face gatherings, you can better yourself playing online.

 

[Arkaign]

The fighting tournaments are larger, but I don't think we will ever again see a live tour taking the largest convention halls in 30 cities with 1.1M live entrants

I'll never have the time or enthusiasm to care that much though. 30 minutes a week is if I'm lucky. I'm much more likely to jack with the bike or play a round of BF3 than I am to play a fighting game. In that case, all I really have is nostalgia for the big arcade era.

 

[cmdrdredd]

While this may be true, is it fair to alienate PC users just because they don't play fighting games "enough"? And what about all those "single player only people"? Do they suddenly not deserve fighting games on PC because they are not competitive enough to be noticed statistics wise?

The whole point of fighting games is competition.

 

[exdeath]

I always preferred fighting games at home. There was always That Prick camping the arcade 24/7 who took himself too seriously that would never let anyone else learn or practice and would just destroy you in 2 seconds and waste your money if you dared to interrupt him on his personal training cabinet by attempting to play.

It was arcades and asses like that that made me hate fighting games. The final straw for me was the same dude in a diff part of town camping Killer Instinct too. Could never get any alone time to learn it or play with another newbie without someone with 9000 hrs on it beating my ass and taking it over so I waited for the SNES version.

It sucked.

Waited for the Ultra 64...

Never came out, and by the time KI2 and KI Gold came out for N64 ( which also sucked) I was completely disenfranchised with the fighting game phenomenon.


I'm still best on fighting games on a SNES controller and D pads in general because of that. Untouchable in Street Fighter II Turbo :awe: