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According to a couple Delta flight attendants, black women can't be doctors

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Zorba said:
FAs are not unskilled labor working at McDonald's. The majority have a college education. They are certified by the FAA and can lose their certification for violating company rules or FARs. They are also not that low paid, starting out many make as much as starting out teachers and their pay goes up quicker. Their initial training is probably longer than the average tenure of a McDonald's employee.

I guess your argument is no one can be racist, even unconsciously, so instead you bash a field of 10,000s of trained professionals.
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This is the problem in this forum. If you do not jump onto the bandwagon that it must be racist, then you are trying to say there is no racism.

In reality what I actually did, was to question why they thought it was race because in the CNN article they never said race. Then you said that they thought it was fake, and that was a presumption by you because it was never said. Further, I see the same story and do not think it leads to thinking it had to be that they thought it was fake. I will say it was possible, but, I don't think you can say it as absolutely as you seem to believe.
 
Zorba said:
Holy shit, it is more productive to talk to Taj. They questioned them and ask if they belonged to her. Asking something if an ID belongs to then is the same as asking if it is fake. I assume "questioning" it was also asking if it was real.
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No it is not. Questioning if its yours is not the same as asking if its fake. If I asked you if the car you are standing next to is yours, I'm not asking if the car is fake. That is absurd.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Have you ever seen a professional license? This is not a "form." It's a small piece of paper with an official seal on it which says you are licensed to practice in your field. There's probably 20 words on it.

This is a pretty simple dilemma. Either these flight attendants believed this document was a fake - for whatever reason - or they are illiterate. In which case, I'd like to know what school system they graduated from. Or maybe they're taking flight attendants without a high school diploma or GED these days.
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Doctors don't around with their medical licenses any more than you walk around with your passport or college diploma.
At best they keep like a little scan on google drive or something.
Usually its pretty obvious to tell if someone is a doctor; they know WTF they are talking about.
Also on a lesser note, most docs actually dread ever having to help someone in public outside of a hospital for many many many reasons.
 
realibrad said:
Those are not the only options. I have a working memory problem, and details from what I have read will quickly fall out of my memory. I often have to go back and reread something to make sure I have the details correct. Perhaps that gives me a perspective that you do not have, but I can tell you that I can imagine being in a stressful situation and not remembering if I saw that specific part.
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Didn't they question whether the document actually belonged to her (in effect questioning whether she really was a doctor)? In the middle of a medical emergency, why would they do that (ie. they have more important things to worry about)?
 
Sunburn74 said:
Doctors don't around with their medical licenses any more than you walk around with your passport or college diploma.
At best they keep like a little scan on google drive or something.
Usually its pretty obvious to tell if someone is a doctor; they know WTF they are talking about.
Also on a lesser note, most docs actually dread ever having to help someone in public outside of a hospital for many many many reasons.
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Apparently this one did carry her license. Perhaps in her case, it's because on some level she expected to some day have her credentials questioned. Good on her.

Lawyers generally carry their bar cards in their wallets, BTW. But that's a small plastic card. I can see not carrying a medial license, which is an actual piece of paper.
 
Exterous said:
As I pointed out its not the policy for Delta operated flights. It may or may not be the policy for Republic operated flights
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Generally they follow the mainline's policies for cabin interaction and Delta didn't say they hada different policy.

realibrad said:
This is the problem in this forum. If you do not jump onto the bandwagon that it must be racist, then you are trying to say there is no racism.

In reality what I actually did, was to question why they thought it was race because in the CNN article they never said race. Then you said that they thought it was fake, and that was a presumption by you because it was never said. Further, I see the same story and do not think it leads to thinking it had to be that they thought it was fake. I will say it was possible, but, I don't think you can say it as absolutely as you seem to believe.
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I'm sorry I know how to use the English language, most people understand "questioning" an ID and asking if it belongs to you is effectively asking if it is fake.

I don't know if you are racist, but you have shown a lot of prejudice against an entire field of professionals who are mostly women, so you could believe there was no bias involved.
 
realibrad said:
No it is not. Questioning if its yours is not the same as asking if its fake. If I asked you if the car you are standing next to is yours, I'm not asking if the car is fake. That is absurd.
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Standing next to someone else's car is far more likely than carrying around someone else's medical license for some unfathomable reason. Good thing ATPN's "pointless crimes brigade" took a break from going on about rampant voter fraud to weigh in on the side of the racist FA's.
 
thilanliyan said:
Didn't they question whether the document actually belonged to her (in effect questioning whether she really was a doctor)? In the middle of a medical emergency, why would they do that (ie. they have more important things to worry about)?
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You are presuming that the Policy of Delta was known by the company operating this flight. Further, even if they policies were parallel, you must also be presuming that these people knew of the shift.

The previous policy 2 years ago was to literally question people and to have them validate they were a doctor. Why Delta did that we can speculate on, but, it was literally to do that in a medical emergency.
 
Zorba said:
Generally they follow the mainline's policies for cabin interaction and Delta didn't say they hada different policy.


I'm sorry I know how to use the English language, most people understand "questioning" an ID and asking if it belongs to you is effectively asking if it is fake.

I don't know if you are racist, but you have shown a lot of prejudice against an entire field of professionals who are mostly women, so you could believe there was no bias involved.
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The document could be perfectly valid and simply belong to someone else. I don't know what else to tell you. I really don't think that most people believe that questioning if someone belongs to you is equal to questioning if that think is a fake.
 
realibrad said:
No it is not. Questioning if its yours is not the same as asking if its fake. If I asked you if the car you are standing next to is yours, I'm not asking if the car is fake. That is absurd.
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Since a common "fake ID" trick is to use someone else's ID, asking someone if it is theirs is asking if it is fake in the way normal people actually speak, not for The Quibbler though.
 
dainthomas said:
Standing next to someone else's car is far more likely than carrying around someone else's medical license for some unfathomable reason. Good thing ATPN's "pointless crimes brigade" took a break from going on about rampant voter fraud to weigh in on the side of the racist FA's.
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You cant fathom a reason someone would carry around fake Identification? I can think of quite a few story plots that involve fake IDs to get into clubs.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Apparently this one did carry her license. Perhaps in her case, it's because on some level she expected to some day have her credentials questioned. Good on her.
Lawyers generally carry their bar cards in their wallets, BTW. But that's a small plastic card. I can see not carrying a medial license, which is an actual piece of paper.
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It varies. Some states it's a little card
Other states its a card-like piece of paper a little bit bigger than a check (so it doesn't fit in a wallet unless its folded)
But generally people don't carry it around (one reason is you need it for jobs and all sorts of things if you lose it, it's a pain to replace just like a passport-- which takes like weeks to replace and a bit of money)
 
Zorba said:
Since a common "fake ID" trick is to use someone else's ID, asking someone if it is theirs is asking if it is fake in the way normal people actually speak, not for The Quibbler though.
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No. You cant say that because its common to question an ID because someone might have a fake ID means questioning all identification is equal. That is silly.
 
realibrad said:
The document could be perfectly valid and simply belong to someone else. I don't know what else to tell you. I really don't think that most people believe that questioning if someone belongs to you is equal to questioning if that think is a fake.
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It isn't valid if not being used by the named person, i.e. fake. Presenting a license that doesn't belong to you would probably get you charged with fraud in most states. And fraud is the root of fraudulent which means fake.
 
dainthomas said:
They asked to see her medical license and then didn't believe her? Like, who would carry around someone else's medical license just so they could help someone on a plane? Pretty bizarre.
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Honestly, who carries around his or her medical license? That struck me as odd.

That little quirk aside, this is ridiculous on the part of the flight attendants and, unfortunately, common for all women (particularly women of color).
 
Zorba said:
It isn't valid if not being used by the named person, i.e. fake. Presenting a license that doesn't belong to you would probably get you charged with fraud in most states. And fraud is the root of fraudulent which means fake.
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Don't play games of semantics here. The document could be valid, and the use or person using it could be invalid. Fraud does not mean the document which is an ID is fake. You are doing a lot of bending to try and make this fit. There is really no need given that I posted from the other article earlier.
 
realibrad said:
You realize they are different by state right? Also, I would bet that most people here have never seen that form.

To say that they probably thought it was fake is a big leap. I think its much easier to think this was ignorance and not racism given the little information that is provided in that article. If there was something brought up in that incident that was connected to race then that would be different. Simply questioning someone because you are afraid of losing your job is vastly different than racism.
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As I've practiced in MA I can tell you that there are two distinct documents provided by medical boards. First is the license. That's the big thing with decorations in frame displayed in the office which says in effect "John/Jane Doe is licensed to practice medicine in the State of YadaYadaYada". By law that must stay in and be displayed in the practitioners' primary site of operation. It is valid until death, retirement, or revocation for cause.

The "license" most people mean is a certificate to practice. It is limited in time and certain requirements are required to continue to practice and is renewed assuming all is well.

Then NY and MA have ID cards issued.

This is one from NY and the MA cards are similar.

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Something similar was presented, not a drivers license from anyone's account.
 
realibrad said:
They were likely following the old policy then. Again, why would the presumption be race rather than attendants being overly cautious? You are looking at flight attendants as if they are some highly trained people rather than people doing a low earning job. I get that what they did was not needed, but what I don't get is the presumption of why anyone thinks this is about race and not just their fear of getting blamed.

How do you come to racial profiling and not at worst incompetence?
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Because it's patently ridiculous that they would think her credentials were fake or someone else's. People can be fucking stupid, but not THAT stupid. Racism is more realistic answer.
 
realibrad said:
So I found this, which appears to be information that CNN did not include for some reason.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/d...-doubted-her-medical-qualifications/864105076

"[She said] 'I just talked with the first flight attendant and she said you're not really a doctor, you're just a head doctor,' [and] I said, 'Excuse me? What do you mean by that?' [To which she replied] 'Oh so you're not really an MD are you?'" Stanford said."

If that happened, that changes things greatly.
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So really just another person looking to be offended and create faux racism to be the victim. Shocking, absolutely shocking I tell ya.
 
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