According to a couple Delta flight attendants, black women can't be doctors

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SlowSpyder

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Maybe the next time you collapse from cardiac arrest in public and a person comes up offering CPR, if they are black we'll just take the time to verify their credentials.

Out next post can be Slow the dead man.

Sounds like the person in the story was having a panic attack Mr. Exageratey Exaggerator. If I'm on a plane, I understand how the flight attendants might ask for some credentials when one passenger is in another passenger's personal space rendering first aid.
 

HomerJS

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Sounds like the person in the story was having a panic attack Mr. Exageratey Exaggerator. If I'm on a plane, I understand how the flight attendants might ask for some credentials when one passenger is in another passenger's personal space rendering first aid.
Except that was NOT their policy, as has been pointed out numerous times. She showed her license but that was not good enough for them.

I think this woman is smart enough to know if she is being racially profiled

Credentials of doctor
Fatima Cody Stanford, MD, MPH, MPA, FAAP, FACP

Credentials of Slow
Racism denier
 
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pauldun170

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I take the train on a regular basis and their are plenty of situations where their is a call for medical professionals on the train.
Never in the 2 decades have I ever heard of a first responder being asked to show credentials.

What if they don't have their card on them? What if their card is expired or from another state? What if they are doctor but the issuing state doesn't offer cards?
When someone shows up to administer aid, what has to go through your head to doubt what that person says?
Is there some sort of epidemics of random people showing up pretending to be doctors?
Pretty sure that answer is no.
People are generally cowards and won't step up when shit hits the fan.
 
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realibrad

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Ever seen an actual medical license? Here's a sample:

http://www.mbc.ca.gov/Breeze/License_Verification_Sample.aspx

There really can't be any confusion if the person is a doctor and what their specialization is. These flight attendants probably thought it was a fake, and they lied afterwards saying they were trying to verify her specialization because the document itself likely contained no ambiguity whatsoever about that.

You realize they are different by state right? Also, I would bet that most people here have never seen that form.

To say that they probably thought it was fake is a big leap. I think its much easier to think this was ignorance and not racism given the little information that is provided in that article. If there was something brought up in that incident that was connected to race then that would be different. Simply questioning someone because you are afraid of losing your job is vastly different than racism.
 

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Except that was NOT their policy, as has been pointed out numerous times.

As I pointed out its not the policy for Delta operated flights. It may or may not be the policy for Republic operated flights
 

pauldun170

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Yep, which is why I just asked you to provide what part you think backs up what you said.

I will post what it does say.

"Dr. Fatima Cody Stanford, a physician and expert in obesity medicine, told CNN she was on a flight from Indianapolis to Boston on Tuesday when a woman sitting next to her started shaking and hyperventilating.

Stanford said she was already aiding the passenger when a flight attendant came by to check the situation. According to Stanford, the flight attendant asked if she was a doctor, to which Stanford replied yes.

Stanford said she continued to stabilize the passenger when a second flight attendant came to ask for her medical license. Stanford showed the flight attendant her license. Stanford said that shortly afterward both flight attendants came back and questioned her credentials and asked if the medical license she was carrying belonged to her."

So, where does it say it was thought to be fake?

I knew this sounded familiar
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...hanges-doctor-identification-policy/95740518/

from 2016
The incident surfaced in mid-October after Dr. Tamika Cross charged in a Facebook posting that when she raised her hand to assist a man a few seats ahead of her who was having a health crisis, she was rebuffed by a flight attendant who doubted she was a physician.

"She said to me, 'Oh no, sweetie. Put your hand down. We are looking for actual physicians or nurses or some type of medical personnel. We don't have time to talk to you.' "

But Cross said when a white male approached and produced credentials, they accepted his help. Cross could not be immediately reached for comment.

"Whether this was race, age, gender discrimination, it's not right," Cross said in the viral posting which had more than 22,000 comments and 154,000 likes.
 

realibrad

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So I found this, which appears to be information that CNN did not include for some reason.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/d...-doubted-her-medical-qualifications/864105076

"[She said] 'I just talked with the first flight attendant and she said you're not really a doctor, you're just a head doctor,' [and] I said, 'Excuse me? What do you mean by that?' [To which she replied] 'Oh so you're not really an MD are you?'" Stanford said."

If that happened, that changes things greatly.
 
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pauldun170

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In 2016, they changed the policy after the incident with Dr. Tamika Cross.
The policy change was to take the Doctors word.

In 2018, Delta attendants decided that they Dr. Fatima Cody Stanford was a little to black for their tastes
 

woolfe9998

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You realize they are different by state right? Also, I would bet that most people here have never seen that form.

To say that they probably thought it was fake is a big leap. I think its much easier to think this was ignorance and not racism given the little information that is provided in that article. If there was something brought up in that incident that was connected to race then that would be different. Simply questioning someone because you are afraid of losing your job is vastly different than racism.

Can't find a sample of a Massachusett's medical license online, but come on, do you seriously think any medical license from any state would fail to mention that the holder is a doctor? You'd have to be an idiot to not understand someone is a doctor from a document which says they are a doctor. Unless you thought it was fake, of course.

If you believe that, you should see my bar card. I promise it says nothing about me being lawyer. It actually says, "license for...er...something or other." I swear, that's exactly what it says...
 

pauldun170

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What does that have to do with what I asked the other person?

You mentioned policy.
The article was directly related to the policy change.
I added additional information that I thought you would want to know.
 

realibrad

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Can't find a sample of a Massachusett's medical license online, but come on, do you seriously think any medical license from any state would fail to mention that the holder is a doctor? You'd have to be an idiot to not understand someone is a doctor from a document which says they are a doctor. Unless you thought it was fake, of course.

If you believe that, you should see my bar card. I promise it says nothing about me being lawyer. It actually says, "license for...er...something or other." I swear, that's exactly what it says...

Or, in an emergency someone saw a form they were unfamiliar with and did not read it all the way. When questioned if the document said something to the effect of MD and not just Doctor of X, they realized the missed that and wanted to check again.

The other articles say something different than the CNN article though that changes things.
 

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In 2016, they changed the policy after the incident with Dr. Tamika Cross.
The policy change was to take the Doctors word.

In 2018, Republic Airlines attendants decided that they Dr. Fatima Cody Stanford was a little to black for their tastes

Ftfy
 

realibrad

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I did skim the thread and I did not dig into whatever back and forth you had with other posters.

I asked where he saw that the article said they thought it said they thought the licence was fake. It never did, and then you replied.
 
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OH. MY. GOD. Thank you CNN for posting a story about two flight attendants asking for credentials and questioning her. This is the type of story that is important. A woman's feelings were hurt, quick SJW brigade, create racism and save her feelings! I know AT P&N can do it! We have one side of the story, let's make those conclusions!

Jackass
 
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woolfe9998

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Or, in an emergency someone saw a form they were unfamiliar with and did not read it all the way. When questioned if the document said something to the effect of MD and not just Doctor of X, they realized the missed that and wanted to check again.

The other articles say something different than the CNN article though that changes things.

Have you ever seen a professional license? This is not a "form." It's a small piece of paper with an official seal on it which says you are licensed to practice in your field. There's probably 20 words on it.

This is a pretty simple dilemma. Either these flight attendants believed this document was a fake - for whatever reason - or they are illiterate. In which case, I'd like to know what school system they graduated from. Or maybe they're taking flight attendants without a high school diploma or GED these days.
 
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Zorba

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I'm guessing its been a while sense you last worked with low income people. I presume that because if you had, and you still believed that people do not do dumb things like this then I would not know what to say.

Delta had a policy to validate that someone that wanted to help in a medical situation needed to be a professional. The reason for this was almost certainly because of their fear of liability. That fear drove them to have a policy of validation. That was sense removed after backlash, but, the motivation is at least understood.

Now realize something for the race thing to be true. Either these people were aware of the policy and did this to harass the woman. If that is true, then they would have to be complete idiots to do it the way they did. Thus idiots.

The other option is that they thought they were following policy and in an emergency situation did not think things all the way through and made mistakes.

Which do you personally think is more likely?
FAs are not unskilled labor working at McDonald's. The majority have a college education. They are certified by the FAA and can lose their certification for violating company rules or FARs. They are also not that low paid, starting out many make as much as starting out teachers and their pay goes up quicker. Their initial training is probably longer than the average tenure of a McDonald's employee.

I guess your argument is no one can be racist, even unconsciously, so instead you bash a field of 10,000s of trained professionals.
 

realibrad

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Have you ever seen a professional license? This is not a "form." It's a small piece of paper with an official seal on it which says you are licensed to practice in your field. There's probably 20 words on it.

This is a pretty simple dilemma. Either these flight attendants believed this document was a fake - for whatever reason - or they are illiterate. In which case, I'd like to know what school system they graduated from. Or maybe they're taking flight attendants without a high school diploma or GED these days.

Those are not the only options. I have a working memory problem, and details from what I have read will quickly fall out of my memory. I often have to go back and reread something to make sure I have the details correct. Perhaps that gives me a perspective that you do not have, but I can tell you that I can imagine being in a stressful situation and not remembering if I saw that specific part.

And no, I have never seen that form, and it is a form, before.
 

Zorba

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Yep, which is why I just asked you to provide what part you think backs up what you said.

I will post what it does say.

"Dr. Fatima Cody Stanford, a physician and expert in obesity medicine, told CNN she was on a flight from Indianapolis to Boston on Tuesday when a woman sitting next to her started shaking and hyperventilating.

Stanford said she was already aiding the passenger when a flight attendant came by to check the situation. According to Stanford, the flight attendant asked if she was a doctor, to which Stanford replied yes.

Stanford said she continued to stabilize the passenger when a second flight attendant came to ask for her medical license. Stanford showed the flight attendant her license. Stanford said that shortly afterward both flight attendants came back and questioned her credentials and asked if the medical license she was carrying belonged to her."

So, where does it say it was thought to be fake?
Holy shit, it is more productive to talk to Taj. They questioned them and ask if they belonged to her. Asking something if an ID belongs to then is the same as asking if it is fake. I assume "questioning" it was also asking if it was real.
 
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