ACA increases IN Insurance costs 78%

[Exterous]

Taxes that almost exclusively affect the most affluent Americans,

:hmm: There are tax changes to HSA limits, withdrawls and Cadillac Health Plans. These are hardly 'affluent' exclusive esp when you consider how many Union health plans are likely to be considered Cadillac

 

[sactoking]

Forbes had a piece today, I think it was an op-ed, that lambasted Indiana for falsifying the premium data to make the increases appear larger. In a nutshell, IN was accused of comparing current premiums to premiums that are averaged across the metal tiers in 2014. In other words, a current premium was compared to an average that included Gold and Platinum prices.

 

[Brainonska511]

Yeah, the poor have it so bad in this country. They should have 3 plasma tvs and eat lobster 3 times a week instead of just one. You're fucking them by babying them. Capitalist poor people are much better off than any other poor.

Out of touch called: it wants to speak to you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Forbes had a piece today, I think it was an op-ed, that lambasted Indiana for falsifying the premium data to make the increases appear larger. In a nutshell, IN was accused of comparing current premiums to premiums that are averaged across the metal tiers in 2014. In other words, a current premium was compared to an average that included Gold and Platinum prices.

Oops?

i wonder if this was intentional or a case of "didn't get it".

 

[buckshot24]

Out of touch called: it wants to speak to you.

Fuck you just left you a voice mail.

 

[sactoking]

Oops?

i wonder if this was intentional or a case of "didn't get it".

My guess is intentional; it's really the flipside of the intentional misrepresentation California made.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My guess is intentional; it's really the flipside of the intentional misrepresentation California made.

Not surprising. What a hay fest.

 

[Jhhnn]

My guess is intentional; it's really the flipside of the intentional misrepresentation California made.

I don't understand the Calif situation, nor how you claim the error was intentional. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate, same for Indiana.

I do understand desperate ontology, and it seems to me that Repubs are engaging in a lot of it to avoid ideological discredit by preventing implementation of the ACA, as Krugman claims.

If the ACA actually works after all the faunching, raving & foaming at the mouth they've done, a lot fewer people will take them seriously at all.

 

[buckshot24]

...and it seems to me that....as Krugman claims....

This basically sums up all of your posts.

 

[Jhhnn]

This basically sums up all of your posts.

If I left the space blank, it'd sum up the substance of your own.

Oh, yeh, recalling your fondness for the Obamaphone gal, here's I guy I'm sure you'll appreciate, a role model for all up and coming Teatards-

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/...-you-libtards-out-there-you-take-it-in-the-a/

Yeppers, he's a peach, but what else would you expect from an overpaid leech of a Gubmint employee, anyway?

 

[sactoking]

I don't understand the Calif situation, nor how you claim the error was intentional. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate, same for Indiana.

I do understand desperate ontology, and it seems to me that Repubs are engaging in a lot of it to avoid ideological discredit by preventing implementation of the ACA, as Krugman claims.

If the ACA actually works after all the faunching, raving & foaming at the mouth they've done, a lot fewer people will take them seriously at all.

Indiana, when calculating the current and future premiums, used a number way too high for the future value, causing the percentage increase to be overstated. California did the opposite by overstating current premiums and understating future premiums so that the increase was minimized.

Based on the descriptions of how that was done (by averaging metal tiers in IN and comparing averages to minimums in CA) there is low probability that the misstatements were unintentional, especially in light of the political leanings of the groups making the misstatements.

 

[Jhhnn]

Indiana, when calculating the current and future premiums, used a number way too high for the future value, causing the percentage increase to be overstated. California did the opposite by overstating current premiums and understating future premiums so that the increase was minimized.

Based on the descriptions of how that was done (by averaging metal tiers in IN and comparing averages to minimums in CA) there is low probability that the misstatements were unintentional, especially in light of the political leanings of the groups making the misstatements.

So let's just cut to the bottom line, rather than obfuscating. There's only one way to find out if the ACA is good for consumers, and that's to implement it, right?

Pardon me for being cynical, but I doubt that the Repub leadership really gives a damn about consumers. Their ideology forbids it. Consumers are just manageable resources, like cattle or seams of coal.

It's about their whole small govt victory of the financial elite corporate supremacy ideology as a means to power, and their ability to sell a fundamental lie to do it.

That fundamental lie is that the Govt of the People is illegitimate, while the power of great wealth is basically the same as the divine right of Kings. That the Govt of the People is just an impediment to all of the benevolence & righteousness of capitalism.

I don't think so. I don't think that corporate Dems are much better, but they need to tend to the more rational & compassionate element in their base whereas Repubs just need to throw out red meat into the dog eat dog mentality of their base, who can't imagine that they're the next ones on the menu. They can't believe that they're not being dragged down by the powerless rather than held down by the powerful, having been ruthlessly indoctrinated & emotionally manipulated.

Hell- among Righties, the second liar doesn't have a chance, because they've already been totally conned by the first one. Weirdest thing I ever saw.

 

[DeadFred]

So let's just cut to the bottom line, rather than obfuscating. There's only one way to find out if the ACA is good for consumers, and that's to implement it, right?

Nancy Pelosi, is that you? What are you doing in here? Shouldn't you be out trying to pass the senate amnesty bill?

I recognized you by the bolded line and the complete liberal jibberish afterwards that you are usually spouting on my TV news. Have a nice day former speaker.

 

[sm625]

If your premium goes up by 78% & the difference is covered by govt subsidy, what have you lost, particularly if you have a better plan?

Gotta love this bubble mentality. The same idiots that make these stupefied remarks are the ones left scratching their head when the bubble pops and a mob of unemployed destroys their property, or worse.

 

[zsdersw]

Fuck you just left you a voice mail.

Sorry, I'm all out of Caring minutes. You probably don't get to fuck as often as you use the word.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

hmmm, what? I thought all that new free stuff you were going to get, was going to be.. free. No.?

The problem is that a huge amount of money and resources are still wasted on having private insurance companies and hospitals. In contrast, nations with real socialized medicine spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care while having 100% coverage.

What's pathetic is that the free market morons are going to use the ACA as an example of the failure of socialized medicine when it isn't socialized medicine while ignoring the proven success of socialized medicine in all of the other first world nations and the failure of our quasi-free market healthcare system.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

So what do you do about it? Make labor cost more! THAT will keep jobs from going overseas! Fucking stupid ass.

Have you ever heard of something called a tariff? Ever heard of trade protectionism? The government could prevent a great many jobs from going overseas if it really wanted to.

 

[ivwshane]

Have you ever heard of something called a tariff? Ever heard of trade protectionism? The government could prevent a great many jobs from going overseas if it really wanted to.

She hasn't heard of a lot of things but she's an expert none the less.