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ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) Upheld

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I want to see the Federal government create fitness requirements, dietary requirements and life style requirements. If we're all footing the bill everyone needs to live a healthier life.

New York is on the right track banning large sugary drinks, this is what we need across America now. The days of the fatties at Wal-Mart must be numbered and we need the President and Congress to start acting on this.
 
glenn1 said:
Time for Republicans to begin using the mandate power once they're back in office. Use this as a club to basically outlaw abortions with mandatory pre-procedure services (or maybe a surety bond), mandatory ID (without which voting is prohibited), mandatory retirement and healthcare savings accounts, mandatory firearm purchases, etc. Bleed the Democratic constituency dry with all the mandates.
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Yes, why not compound abuses of government power with more of them for your side, right? 🙄
 
More from SCOTUSblog:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
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pity. i was hopeing it would get struck down so we could get a real health care bill. This one is a joke. Obama allowed to much of it to slide

though i guess its a good starting point. not sure if its going to stay though.
 
lopri said:
I understand you did not like the law, but don't you think your prediction is a bit hyperbole?
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He's talking about immigration. He does not appear to understand that Obama didn't set any new precedent there, that presidents have been doing that for a long time.

Back on topic though, I'm surprised that it wasn't upheld on commerce grounds, but they reached the correct decision anyway. The good news is that any commerce limitations should be quite easy to get around.
 
I think its fair to call this an unexpected outcome. Not only did Kennedy join the minority, he did so wanting to strike the entire law. Roberts saved it but not under the commerce clause.

I'm not sure I saw anyone predicting this
 
He's talking about immigration. He does not appear to understand that Obama didn't set any new precedent there, that presidents have been doing that for a long time.
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I wasn't, actually.

lopri said:
I understand you did not like the law, but don't you think your prediction is a bit hyperbole?
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I like the law and agree with this decision.

I'm just saying, a precedent has been set for the POTUS giving states waivers to not follow laws he doesn't like politically (see: No Child Left Behind)
 
Phokus said:
1. Conservatives don't have an alternative healthcare plan that would actually work in reality.
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Republicans offered nothing, but some conservatives (like me) agreed with important parts of ACA, just not the individual mandate.

2. If everyone isn't on a health insurance plan (either through a mandate or through something like an expansion of medicare, neither of which conservatives want), then universal healthcare won't work. You don't want people waiting until they're sick to be on something.
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I hope you're not trying to argue that access to preventative medicine saves money, because that argument has been debunked.
 
From twitter 😀

@sinderbrandCNN Aaaand here it is: SCOTUS rules on health care reform -the individual mandate has been struck down

@CNNPolitics BREAKING NEWS: #SCOTUS struck down individual mandate for #healthcare. #CNN

@foxnewsradio #SCOTUS #Healthcare, Individual mandate has been struck down.
 
So this is basically just another government run program paid for by a tax increase. Wonder how many other programs can be forced on us now?
 
shadow9d9 said:
Care to elaborate on what you don't like? And it must be OVERWHELMING all the good stuff.
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The biggest is that if your employer is already giving you great healthcare for little cost, both you and your employer will be punished for it. This proves Obamacare does not want you to have great healthcare for little cost. This should be removed.

Another is the minimum insurance level required if you give insurance at all. McDonalds offered major medical insurance to its employees, but this law makes it illegal, so they dropped insurance altogether. Obviously the poor having nothing is far superior than having something, according to Obamacare.


There is more, but those two are pretty large reasons to not eat the turd.
 
Phokus said:
From twitter 😀

@sinderbrandCNN Aaaand here it is: SCOTUS rules on health care reform -the individual mandate has been struck down

@CNNPolitics BREAKING NEWS: #SCOTUS struck down individual mandate for #healthcare. #CNN

@foxnewsradio #SCOTUS #Healthcare, Individual mandate has been struck down.
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As if CNN wasn't fail enough already. 😀
 
glenn1 said:
Time for Republicans to begin using the mandate power once they're back in office. Use this as a club to basically outlaw abortions with mandatory pre-procedure services (or maybe a surety bond), mandatory ID (without which voting is prohibited), mandatory retirement and healthcare savings accounts, mandatory firearm purchases, etc. Bleed the Democratic constituency dry with all the mandates.
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Pretty much.

It's pretty awesome that the insurance companies basically wrote in their own survival, ensuring that millions of new customers would be forced to buy their product. Hopefully some of this will transfer over to auto insurance and I can go wreck my car then go get insurance.
 
glenn1 said:
Time for Republicans to begin using the mandate power once they're back in office. Use this as a club to basically outlaw abortions with mandatory pre-procedure services (or maybe a surety bond), mandatory ID (without which voting is prohibited), mandatory retirement and healthcare savings accounts, mandatory firearm purchases, etc. Bleed the Democratic constituency dry with all the mandates.
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What a juvenile response.
 
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