About Time! No more texting for drivers!

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jtvang125

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You can't ban stupid, you just have to let evolution do its thing.

I never understood the specific laws against texting while driving. There were already laws in place that handled inattentive driving AFAIK.

The inattentive driving laws usually applies if you're heavily distracted and endangering other drivers. Example is eating while driving. You won't get cited for doing it but if you're swerving all over the road because of it then you definitely will. The no texting while driving law bans it outright even if you're not driving erratically.

So when a driver who is texting plows head on into you and wipe out your whole family, it's just evolution doing its thing?
 

SunnyD

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Haha boating not even going there...but yes there is a tower that lets people have access when the ship is not near a cell tower ashore. Roaming charges apply and can be as expensive as five dollars a minute depending on your carrier.

Is the tower independently owned I assume or does a major carrier own it? And I assume it's satellite linked? (Hence the high cost)
 

Red Storm

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The inattentive driving laws usually applies if you're heavily distracted and endangering other drivers. Example is eating while driving. You won't get cited for doing it but if you're swerving all over the road because of it then you definitely will. The no texting while driving law bans it outright even if you're not driving erratically.

So when a driver who is texting plows head on into you and wipe out your whole family, it's just evolution doing its thing?

That person would likely text while driving with or without a specific law against it. As I said, you can't ban stupid.
 

PingSpike

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This is basically like the safety handle they put on a lawn mower that kills it when you let go. It just kills your phone when you shouldn't be using it.

And just like that safety handle, it'll probably be circumvented with some duct tape. Aren't there a gazillion phones out there that this isn't possible on already?
 

hanoverphist

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that would wreak havoc with most of today's vehicles, all kinds of shit would stop working, steering, breaks, etc

hey, whats the cost of a new phone, car, laptop and ipod compared to the safety of knowing the person next to you isnt texting?


:biggrin::whiste:
 

bruceb

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It is enforced in NJ ... a coworker got stopped leaving the office for texting or cell phone use without a hands free device. And this was in fairly heavy stop and go traffic at the time. I could see it, if you are moving at speed, but if you are inching along in traffic, then the law should be relaxed. A motorcycle cop was what stopped the driver.
 

Rubycon

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Is the tower independently owned I assume or does a major carrier own it? And I assume it's satellite linked? (Hence the high cost)


The network is a partnership between AT&T and MTN. Not surprisingly AT&T customers get the cheapest ($2.99/min) rates. Of course it's satellite based. :biggrin:
 

Red Storm

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It is enforced in NJ ... a coworker got stopped leaving the office for texting or cell phone use without a hands free device. And this was in fairly heavy stop and go traffic at the time. I could see it, if you are moving at speed, but if you are inching along in traffic, then the law should be relaxed. A motorcycle cop was what stopped the driver.

Thankfully I can still talk and drive while in VA (AFAIK? Haven't heard of a no talking while driving law).

The idiots who get people killed are the same idiots who drive drunk. Laws don't stop them.
 

lord_emperor

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I would disable this in any car I owned, with a hammer if necessary. I would also protest endlessly if my carrier had to interrupt my service if I were moving.

I do not text or call while driving, but I don't trust the thing to let up when I pull over or for that matter when I'm a passenger! I do want to know I have received a text or call. Further to that, how could it know if I'm using a hands-free device?

The increased chance of death should really be stopping people from engaging in distractions while driving.
 

JulesMaximus

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I would disable this in any car I owned, with a hammer if necessary. I would also protest endlessly if my carrier had to interrupt my service if I were moving.

I do not text or call while driving, but I don't trust the thing to let up when I pull over or for that matter when I'm a passenger! I do want to know I have received a text or call. Further to that, how could it know if I'm using a hands-free device?

The increased chance of death should really be stopping people from engaging in distractions while driving.

It doesn't.
 

TheVrolok

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Just like in theaters, there are some circumstances where people need to receive texts. Even while driving.
 

BoomerD

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http://www.modbee.com/2011/12/08/1979031/govt-study-texting-by-drivers.html

More drivers texting at wheel, despite state bans
By JOAN LOWY
Associated Press


WASHINGTON -- For all the criticism and new legal bans, texting by drivers just keeps increasing, especially among younger motorists.
About half of American drivers between 21 and 24 say they've thumbed messages or emailed from the driver's seat. And what's more, many drivers don't think it's dangerous when they do it - only when others do.
A national survey, the first government study of its kind on distracted driving, and other data released Thursday by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration underscore the difficulty authorities face in discouraging texting and cellphone talking while driving.

At any given moment last year on America's streets and highways, nearly one in every 100 car drivers was texting, emailing, surfing the Web or otherwise using a hand-held electronic device, the safety administration said. And those activities spiked 50 percent over the previous year, even as states rush to ban the practices.
Last month, Pennsylvania became the 35th state to forbid texting while driving.
In 2010 there were an estimated 3,092 deaths in crashes affected by a wide range of driver distractions, from eating meals to thumbing email, the safety administration said. That number was derived using a new methodology aimed at getting a more precise picture of distracted driving deaths and can't be compared to tallies from previous years, officials said.
The agency also takes an annual snapshot of drivers' behavior behind the wheel by staking out intersections to count people using cellphones and other devices, as well as other distracting behavior.
While electronic gadgets are in ever greater use by drivers, motorists are deeply conflicted about it, a NHTSA survey of over 6,000 drivers found.
Most said they would answer a cellphone call while driving and continue to drive after answering. And nearly two of 10 acknowledged sending texts or emails from behind the wheel. That spiked up to half of drivers 21 to 24 years old.
More than half of drivers said making a cellphone call made no difference to their driving performance, and a quarter said texting or emailing made no difference. But 90 percent said that when they are passengers they feel very unsafe if the driver is texting or emailing.
Indeed, big majorities of drivers surveyed support bans on hand-held cellphone use and texting while driving - 71 percent and 94 percent, respectively. And most said they want people who violate the bans to be punished with fines of $100 or more. Almost a quarter supported fines in the $200 to $499 range.
"Everyone thinks he or she is an above average driver - it's all the nuts out there who need educating," said Russ Rader, a spokesman for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
About twice as many drivers reported answering incoming calls as making calls while driving, 71 percent to 41 percent. And more drivers reported reading than sending texts or emails.
There were very few situations in which drivers said they would never talk on the phone or send texts. Bad weather was the most frequent reason cited. Few drivers said they would never place a call or send a message if they'd seen a police officer, had a child on board or were driving at nighttime or in a marked school zone.
The survey results "help us understand why some people continue to make bad decisions about driving distracted," NHTSA Administrator David Strickland said. "But what's clear from all of the information we have is that driver distraction continues to be a major problem."

The increase in texting while driving came even though many states have banned the practice, and that's alarming, said Jonathan Adkins, a spokesman for the Governors Highway Safety Association.
"It is clear that educational messages alone aren't going to change their behavior," Adkins said. "Rather, good laws with strong enforcement are what is needed. Many drivers won't stop texting until they fear getting a ticket."
The safety administration reported earlier this year that pilot projects in Syracuse, N.Y., and Hartford, Conn., produced significant reductions in distracted driving by combining stepped-up ticketing with high-profile public education campaigns.
Before and after each enforcement wave, NHTSA researchers observed cellphone use by drivers and conducted surveys at drivers' license offices in the two cities. They found that in Syracuse, hand-held cellphone use and texting declined by a third. In Hartford, there was a 57 percent drop in hand-held phone use, and texting behind the wheel dropped by nearly three-quarters.
However, that was with blanket enforcement by police.
"The key measure of all this is, do these restrictions reduce crashes? So far, there is no evidence that crashes are reduced when cellphone and texting restrictions are implemented," Rader said.
But safety advocates are pushing for a national ban on texting while driving. A bill introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., would cut back highway funds to states that fail to enact a ban. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has also advocated a national ban.
Overall, 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in the United States in 2010, a nearly 3 percent drop and the lowest number since 1949. Traffic deaths have been declining for several years. Safety researchers generally attribute the lower deaths to a decline in driving because of the poor economy combined with better designed and equipped cars and stronger safety laws.
Bucking the trend, there were 4,502 motorcycle deaths in 2010, a 0.7 percent increase. That may mean the sudden 16 percent decline in motorcycle deaths in 2009 is beginning to reverse. Overall, motorcycle deaths have doubled since 1995.

The government can pass a million laws about this. No one is paying attention...they're all too busy texting..."besides, the law shouldn't apply to me. I can drive and text without even looking...and I'm a GOOD driver." :rolleyes:

Getting caught should result in a one-year suspension of driving privileges.
 

Rubycon

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Ah, okay. So if I ever go on a cruise, I'll just bring my own 80 meter equipment. :)

And do what? Back of the set antenna isn't going to do much and good luck finding one that even works on 80 meters! ;)

Just like in theaters, there are some circumstances where people need to receive texts. Even while driving.

That old argument holds no water. Just like the DWI/DUI threads where the drunks come out to defend their actions the powerthumbs come out of the woodwork like Formosan termites to the bait stakes. :biggrin:
 

TheVrolok

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That old argument holds no water. Just like the DWI/DUI threads where the drunks come out to defend their actions the powerthumbs come out of the woodwork like Formosan termites to the bait stakes. :biggrin:

Sure it does. Simple, some people need to be able to receive messages at all times within reason (while driving is within reason). However, I would never advocate composing a text message/having a text conversation while driving. Simply that one be able to read a message; or Hell, have the phone text-to-speech it so he could listen to it. Comparing the reading of a text with DWI is just silly.
 

Crono

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It is enforced in NJ ... a coworker got stopped leaving the office for texting or cell phone use without a hands free device. And this was in fairly heavy stop and go traffic at the time. I could see it, if you are moving at speed, but if you are inching along in traffic, then the law should be relaxed. A motorcycle cop was what stopped the driver.

It's enforced sometimes here in NY, too, depending on where you are.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
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Good luck with that! :biggrin:



Not when there is a crash because of it and someone dies.

How does reading a quick text differ from reading a passing billboard? Outlaw billboards? Or Hell, all the LED message signs which are essentially text messages in and of themselves.
 

Crono

Lifer
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How does reading a quick text differ from reading a passing billboard? Outlaw billboards? Or Hell, all the LED message signs which are essentially text messages in and of themselves.

It differs slightly if you have to look down at your phone.

Though billboards are distracting. I only look at them if I'm a passenger, though.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
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It differs slightly if you have to look down at your phone.

Though billboards are distracting. I only look at them if I'm a passenger, though.

And if one doesn't look down at his phone? Say he holds it up in the plane of the the windshield?
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
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Interesting study. I wonder how they know which specific accidents were caused by texting. Timestamps from texts and approximations of when an accident occured? (pretty rough estimates?) Half finished drafts of texts on phones found at accident scenes? Also, observed manipulating phone at intersections? I wonder what that means? Visibly texting? Just having it in hand? On my phone I can answer my bluetooth calls by either hitting the headset or a single physical button on my phone without looking at it. Would handling the phone be defined as manipulating? (although in this case, I do it very quickly and don't bother lifting the phone, so I imagine it wouldn't even be noticed in this stakeout). Was this only people who were in motion and manipulating? Or does being stopped at a red light count as well?

I am in no way defending composing/conversing via text while driving, I'd just like to know some more specifics - it's obvious it's a completely preventable distraction that shouldn't be done. Although now that I think about it, is texting by voice kosher?