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About love, friendships, and relationships

GeekDrew

Diamond Member
I know it's a bad idea to post things this serious on ATOT, but at this point, I haven't got anything to lose anyway, so I might as well go ahead and do it. No cliff's notes. Find a less serious thread if you want to complain. Please read the entire post instead of just parts of it.

Last night, a close friend of mine and I were discussing life (mine, to be exact), and it seems that I've managed to hurt him quite a bit. I, however, don't understand how I hurt him. I'm going to jump right into the middle of a conversation, here, and hopefully you'll understand:

Throughout my life, I have been told by many, many people that they "love" me. Yet it is those same people that have hurt me the most - and I never felt that they loved me at all. However, the people that have *shown* me that they love me, whether they have said it or not, actually make me feel as though I'm loved (needed, cared about, whatever). Therefore, if someone says that they love me or care about me, but do not express it in some non-spoken manner, I disregard what they are saying as untrue.

I haven't felt loved by *anybody* in well over a year now... which makes me feel unloveable... like I'm not worth anybody's time. And when I feel unloveable, I just shut down, and stop caring... in the last year (since I've felt unloved), I've lost my job (a job that I might possibly have been able to salvage), ruined my credit history altogether, lost several friends (in real life), and have generally gone from someone that cared about every part of his future, to someone that does not care about anything except trying to find love.

Some people say that you have to support yourself, rely on nobody else for anything, etc... how the hell do you do that? I want to be self-sufficient as far as money, physical possessions, etc., goes... but I don't know how to survive while I'm feeling like this. I tried explaining it to a couple of friends as needing to feel loved in order to be happy... but I guess that's inaccurate somehow.... I need to feel loved in order to survive would more accurately describe how I feel. I just don't know how to describe it any better than that. 🙁

I've been told to go to college, I've been told to find another job, I've been told to go to bars to try to meet people... and none of those seem like practical options. If I had an excellent job, in which everyone was pleased (both myself and my employer) before I started spiraling downward into this deep depression, and I was unable to maintain that (even though I was given multiple chances), I don't see how I could possibly maintain a new job. College work is just out of the question... I would probably be expelled within a month or so, for telling some professor to go fvck himself. Just.... nothing seems important to me, at all, except knowing that I'm able to be loved. Without that, what point is there in continuing life? I cannot find any reason at all why anyone would continue to live if they felt that they would never find anyone that could love them (in real life). :-\

I do know that I could succeed in college, work, etc. - whatever I put my mind to - but only as long as I knew that *I* was complete, and had a reason to continue living - and I just can't justify it right now. :-\

So getting back to last night,'''m assuming that I hurt my friend (who is an active member here at AT, BTW, and'''m sure is reading this) by indirectly saying that I di'''t feel like he loved me or cared. :-\ He said that he "loves me as a friend"... which I really d'''t know how to interpret.'''m not trying to say that '''s lying or anything... I just d'''t know how to take that.'''ve never felt as though anyone has cared about me unless th'''ve somehow shown it, and I d'''t feel that he has. :-\ Like... if he does care about me... great. I just d'''t *feel* that he does. His friendship does mean a lot to me, though. heh :-\

<sigh> And then of course there is a lot more I would like to say, but doing so would have consequences for other individuals, so I n'''t do that. 🙁

MaybI'''m much more emotionally needy than anyone else on earth. I n'''t know... most of the time it seems as though I am. I n'''t want attention, honestly... I just want to see other viewpoints on my situation.

I feel like this message (albeit long) is not complete... like the'''s something I still need to write in... but I n'''t really know what that is off of the top of my head, so oh well
 
My interpretation: You're gay and can't find a man who'll sleep with you. Now you feel unloved (read: unattractive) and it's effecting your self-esteem.
 
Originally posted by: brigden
My interpretation: You're gay and can't find a man who'll sleep with you. Now you feel unloved (read: unattractive) and it's effecting your self-esteem.

No.

I am gay, yes. I can find a man who will sleep with me. More than one, actually. I'm having the opposite problem.

But I honestly couldn't care less about sex right now.
 
Go get some antidespressants, everyone is medicated and so should you, not go! before you fall out of our grasp!
 
MaybeI''m much more emotionally needy than anyone else on earth.

Most women are an order of magnitude above you on that scale, so no worries there.

It sounds to me like you just need something in your life that you can honestly feel proud of, that you can look at with a sense of satisfaction. With that will come self-confidence, and when you project self-confidence others react favorably to it.
 
Originally posted by: jEct2
i skimmed through it.
life is life, whatever

"sh!t happens"
-Forest Gump

I say that a lot too in the form of "ship happens", try smiling or even laughing when things are in their worst, sometimes that works well.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
MaybeI''m much more emotionally needy than anyone else on earth.

Most women are an order of magnitude above you on that scale, so no worries there.

It sounds to me like you just need something in your life that you can honestly feel proud of, that you can look at with a sense of satisfaction. With that will come self-confidence, and when you project self-confidence others react favorably to it.

Maybe an accomplishment of some sort to look back on and feel proud about?
 
I think a whole hell of a lot of therapy is in order.
The way we think fvcks us up bad.
Get some help before you're thinking about pulling the trigger.
Your way of thinking/doing things has already fvcked up your life badly enough.
Get the support you need. Make a better person of yourself and you'll be a hell of a lot more attractive to someone than you are now.
I read your story and wanted to slap you. 😉
 
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: jEct2
i skimmed through it.
life is life, whatever

"sh!t happens"
-Forest Gump

I say that a lot too in the form of "ship happens", try smiling or even laughing when things are in their worst, sometimes that works well.

Is that what the crazy people are always grinning about?
 
Originally posted by: jEct2
i skimmed through it.
life is life, whatever

"sh!t happens"
-Forest Gump

I believe "Sh!t happens, then you step in some" is better.
And my favourite:
"Life's a b!tch, then you marry one"
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
MaybeI''m much more emotionally needy than anyone else on earth.

Most women are an order of magnitude above you on that scale, so no worries there.

It sounds to me like you just need something in your life that you can honestly feel proud of, that you can look at with a sense of satisfaction. With that will come self-confidence, and when you project self-confidence others react favorably to it.

I'm not really lacking accomplishments or pride in what I do (the little of it that is left). I just managed to single-handedly write an entire website for a registration portal for an event (that just ended last weekend), and I did *many* other things, but (may be stuck up saying this) I don't think that the event could have happened without me there. If I agree to do something, I put 100% into it, because I want to be proud of it. Being proud of myself isn't the problem... I don't think. :-\
 
hmph... i actually know what you mean...

does this mean im depressed?

but i do look forward to life..a little at least. even if i don't feel 'loved' but i know that my family loves me and some friends?
 
Originally posted by: shilala
I think a whole hell of a lot of therapy is in order.
The way we think fvcks us up bad.
Get some help before you're thinking about pulling the trigger.
Your way of thinking/doing things has already fvcked up your life badly enough.
Get the support you need. Make a better person of yourself and you'll be a hell of a lot more attractive to someone than you are now.
I read your story and wanted to slap you. 😉

I can't afford therapy any more. :-\ Been there, done that. The general conclusion was that I need a positive environment and a couple of friends. :-

Oh, and I've been thinking about "pulling the trigger" for a *long* time... that is nothing new. I could provide a list of psychiatrists who have given up on trying to help me not think about suicide.

So why did you want to slap me?
 
Sounds like you just feel sorry for yourself.

Suck it up and get on with it. Life isn't that bad.
 
Originally posted by: PHiuR
hmph... i actually know what you mean...

does this mean im depressed?

but i do look forward to life..a little at least. even if i don't feel 'loved' but i know that my family loves me and some friends?

If you were depressed, you'd know it.

The difference is that you look forward to life (a little, at least). I don't.
 
Originally posted by: brigden
Sounds like you just feel sorry for yourself.

Probably true.

Originally posted by: brigden
Suck it up and get on with it. Life isn't that bad.

But *why bother*? It's always seemed terrible to me... just much more now than ever before.
 
Having briefly read that I think you've created a fictional existance and thrown away all the keys to get out. You need to understand that the motivation to do all the things you need doesn't come from someone else, it comes from you and you alone. You're so convinced that you cannot succeed that you've sabotaged everything around you. How did you survive the other years before this one with a job, with an education? You didn't have a boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever else makes you tick then.

Furthermore, by limiting yourself in these areas, IE not going to college, not getting a job, not moving out of your current situation, you're yet again sabotaging your chances to ever acheive what you seek. I didn't meet someone that I clicked with until after actually going to university. I didn't meet the friends who will stand by me forever until after I started working.

Life is all about networking, I am where I am today because of myself... I SURVIVE today because of the people I met and the fact that I have someone who would give their life for mine if it made me happy, but that fire needs to burn inside you. You cannot do it alone, I agree, but you cannot do it all without self motivation.

I've known depression probably about as bad as you can imagine, I've known disappointment and pain, but the motivation to rise above how fvcking horrible life really is comes from your inner will to not let it fvck you over. Is life worth living? Does it really matter? This is another discussion altogether...You are here for a fraction of a percent of a second, go buck fvcking wild while you can. Whatever happens is up to you and you alone.
 
What I do is listen to music or occupy myself 99% of the time so I never get to think anything. Works wonders for you when you can't think about the bad stuff.
 
The people who love you are going to be the ones you're able to hurt the easiest and the ones who will most likely hurt you. That's natural. It's because to advance in any relationship, you have to open yourself up, which is the essence of trust. If that trust is violated in any way, you get hurt. Pain and relationships go hand in hand, but you can't really get rid of the lonely and worthless feeling without them. We're made to be dependent socially on other people. There's nothing wrong with that. There are all kinds of independence, but complete independence is living life as a hermit, and I don't think we're all called to that kind of life. I know I'm not.

Get out and meet some people. And stop looking down on yourself. If you develop some more confidence in yourself, you make it easier for others to take confidence in you.
 
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