About Keystone XL

[Anarchist420]

I heard that Transcanada was going to invade the lands of indigenous (sic) peoples.

Is that true?

If so, then this is just another example of fascism. If not, then I was terribly misinformed.

I really don't favor it though, because I don't see how it couldn't violate private property rights. I heard that it would pollute a lot which means it will pollute private property. If it weren't advocated for by Congress, then I'd be okay with it, but the fact that Congress is advocating for it makes me worried that they won't have to pay private property owners damages if they pollute private property.

 

[guyver01]

dude... aren't you a little to young to be drunk on spiked egg-nog?

go back to sucking ron paul's dick.

 

[dmcowen674]

I heard that Transcanada was going to invade the lands of indigenous (sic) peoples.

Is that true?

If so, then this is just another example of fascism. If not, then I was terribly misinformed.

I really don't favor it though, because I don't see how it couldn't violate private property rights. I heard that it would pollute a lot which means it will pollute private property. If it weren't advocated for by Congress, then I'd be okay with it, but the fact that Congress is advocating for it makes me worried that they won't have to pay private property owners damages if they pollute private property.

Koch brothers own the Government, they can do what they want.

 

[Slick5150]

It's a horrible idea for so many reasons, which is I'm sure why it'll get approved.

 

[guyver01]

I heard that it would pollute a lot which means it will pollute private property. If it weren't advocated for by Congress, then I'd be okay with it, but the fact that Congress is advocating for it makes me worried that they won't have to pay private property owners damages if they pollute private property.

so.. you just admitted you know nothing about the item which you started the topic on... and the only reason you're against it... is because you hate the government.

 

[Anarchist420]

so.. you just admitted you know nothing about the item which you started the topic on... and the only reason you're against it... is because you hate the government.

Well, if it pollutes private property and is shielded from having to pay for damages then yes I am. To be fair, I'd have to hear what Dr. Paul has to say about it. I suppose I could and should google about it.

 

[PeshakJang]

Because a new, larger, more advanced pipeline will pollute more than the many hundreds of other, older pipelines already running through the same region, many off which would probably be replaced by this new, safer pipeline.

Another example of liberals standing opposed to the very technology they supposedly champion. Everything must be green, but we'll oppose every effort to allow that to occur. Morons.

 

[guyver01]

I'd have to hear what Dr. Paul has to say about it

because you are unable to form your own opinion and instead parrot whatever your racist idol says?

 

[cybrsage]

Koch brothers own the Government, they can do what they want.

Pfft...you concentrate of the Koch Brothers while ignoring the Cargills. You are their pawn, they WANT you to concentrate on the SECOND largest privately owned company while completely ignoring the actual largest one.

Congrats on being their tool.

 

[cybrsage]

so.. you just admitted you know nothing about the item which you started the topic on... and the only reason you're against it... is because you hate the government.

At least it is a consistent stance. Gotta give him that one.

 

[bfdd]

uh... how exactly is a pipeline supposed to pollute? It's an enclosed system to move product, nothing should be coming out of it until it gets to its destination.

 

[dmcowen674]

uh... how exactly is a pipeline supposed to pollute? It's an enclosed system to move product, nothing should be coming out of it until it gets to its destination.

Are you serious?

12-18-2011

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/18/2858734/ap-enterprise-russia-oil-spills.html

Russia oil spills wreak devastation

USINSK, Russia On the bright yellow tundra outside this oil town near the Arctic Circle, a pitch-black pool of crude stretches toward the horizon.

Half a million tons every year get into rivers that flow into the Arctic Ocean, the government says, upsetting the delicate environmental balance in those waters.

A 2010 report commissioned by the Natural Resources Ministry that shows nearly 500,000 tons slips into northern Russian rivers every year and flow into the Arctic. The estimate is considered conservative

Russia's largest oil spill when an estimated 100,000 tons splashed from an aging pipeline. It killed plants and animals, and polluted up to 40 kilometers (25 miles) of two local rivers, killing thousands of fish. In villages most affected, respiratory diseases rose by some 28 percent in the year following the leak.

Seen from a helicopter, the oil production area is dotted with pitch-black ponds. Fresh leaks are easy to find once you step into the tundra north of Usinsk. To spot a leak, find a dying tree. Fir trees with drooping gray, dry branches look as though scorched by a wildfire. They are growing insoil polluted by oil. Usinsk spokeswoman Tatyana Khimichuk said the city administration had no powers to influence oil company operations. "Everything that happens at the oil fields is Lukoil's responsibility," she said, referring to Russia's second largest oil company, which owns a network of pipelines in the region. Komi's environmental protection officials also blamed oil companies.

At least 400 tons leaked from a new pipeline in two separate accidents in Russia's Far East last year, according to media reports and oil companies.

Transneft's pipeline that brings Russian oil from Eastern Siberia to China was put into operation just months before the two spills happened. The oil industry in Komi has been sapping nature for decades, killing or forcing out reindeer and fish. Locals like the 63-year-old Bratenkov are afraid that when big oil leaves, there will be only poisoned terrain left in its wake. "Fishing, hunting - it's all gone," Bratenkov said.

 

[Brainonska511]

If not, then I was terribly misinformed.

When has this not happened?

 

[bfdd]

dave, yes I'm serious. please explain to me how keystone xl if operating properly is supposed to pollute? the only time it will pollute is if maintenance fucked off, operators blew it or some sort of natural disaster. fucking idiots always scared of a little dirt, waaah. man I wish I could find this picture of me covered in crude smoking a cig, fucking pussies.

 

[dmcowen674]

dave, yes I'm serious.

please explain to me how keystone xl if operating properly is supposed to pollute?

There it is right there.

"if operating properly"

Remember

Profits over people always

 

[bfdd]

There it is right there.

"if operating properly"

Remember

Profits over people always

wrong, you've never worked in the industry so shut your mouth. safety first, always.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Doesn't stop accidents from happening, just this year and somewhat local:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/04/nation/la-na-oil-spill-yellowstone-20110704

Oil spill outrages Montana residents


Up to 42,000 gallons surge overnight Friday into the Yellowstone River, and some say Exxon Mobil's cleanup needs more oversight.


July 04, 2011|By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Los Angeles Times
An oil spill in Montana's Yellowstone River surged toward North Dakota on Sunday as outraged residents demanded more government oversight of Exxon Mobil's cleanup.
An estimated 750 to 1,000 barrels, or up to 42,000 gallons, spilled through a damaged pipeline in the riverbed, Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said. The break near Billings could be related to the river's high water level, officials said.

 

[bfdd]

Doesn't stop accidents from happening, just this year and somewhat local:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/04/nation/la-na-oil-spill-yellowstone-20110704

Oil spill outrages Montana residents


Up to 42,000 gallons surge overnight Friday into the Yellowstone River, and some say Exxon Mobil's cleanup needs more oversight.


July 04, 2011|By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Los Angeles Times
An oil spill in Montana's Yellowstone River surged toward North Dakota on Sunday as outraged residents demanded more government oversight of Exxon Mobil's cleanup.
An estimated 750 to 1,000 barrels, or up to 42,000 gallons, spilled through a damaged pipeline in the riverbed, Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said. The break near Billings could be related to the river's high water level, officials said.

So I take it you never leave your house and go for a drive right?

 

[dmcowen674]

Doesn't stop accidents from happening, just this year and somewhat local:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/04/nation/la-na-oil-spill-yellowstone-20110704

Oil spill outrages Montana residents


Up to 42,000 gallons surge overnight Friday into the Yellowstone River, and some say Exxon Mobil's cleanup needs more oversight.


July 04, 2011|By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, Los Angeles Times
An oil spill in Montana's Yellowstone River surged toward North Dakota on Sunday as outraged residents demanded more government oversight of Exxon Mobil's cleanup.
An estimated 750 to 1,000 barrels, or up to 42,000 gallons, spilled through a damaged pipeline in the riverbed, Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said. The break near Billings could be related to the river's high water level, officials said.

Don't post facts, especially local BFDD will have none of that.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Just showing that the industry does have issues and that we have valid concerns whenever something this large is proposed. To say something like, "as long as maintenance doesn't slack off" is missing the point. There are accidents and when they do happen they tend to be huge. The impact of these projects needs to be considered and whether you like it or not those who can potentially be impacted need to be involved as well. You know, that whole states right thing.

Also ironic that you use this in your sig, but have no issues with the government approving the Keystone plan when citizens have valid concerns on the impact of the pipeline in their parts of the country.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."

 

[bfdd]

Just showing that the industry does issues and that we have valid concerns whenever something this large is proposed. To say something like, "as long as maintenance doesn't slack off" is missing the point. There are accidents and when they do happen they tend to be huge. The impact of these projects needs to be considered and whether you like it or not those who can potentially be impacted need to be involved as well. You know, that whole states right thing.

Yes they happen, but they don't happen that often and it's retarded to be against it because of ZOMG THIS OLD PIPELINE BURST IN RUSSIA! and PS 42,000 gallons really isn't shit Notice it says 750-1000 barrels(not shit), but you sure made sure to bold that 42,000 number.

If people don't want it built, I have no issue with that. I think they're fucking stupid and not forward thinking, but whatever. Most of the people who have issue with the Keystone plan are highly misinformed and have no clue what the fuck they're talking about. Should it be built? Yes it should, absolutely. The benefits far outweigh the risks.

 

[dmcowen674]

The benefits far outweigh the risks.

How much do you gain personally?

 

[bfdd]

How much do you gain personally?

lower energy prices, more American jobs, less imported oil being used from the ME, building better relationship with our neighbor to the North. financially though? nothing, i don't really care about money and I left the industry a few years ago.

just an FYI dave, we only have TWO industries left in this country worth a damn. We have our energy production and our food production/industry. Our high tech sector is going to disappear because it's all being made over seas, so forget about that. We're running on the cores of what build society now and you think it would be good to squash growth in one of the sectors? That makes no sense bud. You cannot have a functioning society without food and energy surplus.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
How much do you gain personally?

lower energy prices, more American jobs, less imported oil being used from the ME

Ba haha ahahahaha

OMG I got a bridge to sell you too.

The good thing is no Americans believe you America haters anymore.

 

[Darwin333]

I heard that Transcanada was going to invade the lands of indigenous (sic) peoples.

Is that true?

If so, then this is just another example of fascism. If not, then I was terribly misinformed.

I really don't favor it though, because I don't see how it couldn't violate private property rights. I heard that it would pollute a lot which means it will pollute private property. If it weren't advocated for by Congress, then I'd be okay with it, but the fact that Congress is advocating for it makes me worried that they won't have to pay private property owners damages if they pollute private property.

The pipeline won't pollute anything, the oil extraction which is taking place entirely within Canada's borders does create more pollutants than regular oil extraction but that is their business.

As far as the land owners, they are being compensated. I haven't heard much of any serious fights or bitching that they aren't getting what its worth.