About 200,000 Ohio voters have records discrepancies

[nageov3t]

I'm amazed that Obama isn't at the front and center of this issue.

he was so concerned about proper, valid voting that in his first campaign, he got people rejected for printing instead of signing their names.

 

[heyheybooboo]

The Republican National Committee thru chief counsel Danny Diaz is also arguing that voter registration fraud is "rampant" in North Carolina.

Since the first of the year there have been 467,000 new voter registrations. 135 were identified as bad and never made it on voter rolls. It seems one worker filed the bogus registrations - 104 of which came from Durham County, 30 from Wake County (contiguous to Durham County in the 'RTP'), and one from Mecklenburg County (Charlotte).

Anyone else starting to see a trend by the Republican Party in voter suppression?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sure as soon as CAD or whoever explains how imaginary people are coming in droves to vote multiple with their imaginary registrations then perhaps I'll be a bit more onboard.

But when contrasted with REAL fraud in the form of caging, illegally purging voter roles, etc. that has been perpetrated by the Republican party over the past few elections - this is weak sauce and more feigned outrage.

Just another excuse to try and suppress the minority vote, hoorah.

I'd suggest that you don't use "hoorah" like that. It's not for me because it's not something we use, but for others and you KNOW who they are.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sure as soon as CAD or whoever explains how imaginary people are coming in droves to vote multiple with their imaginary registrations then perhaps I'll be a bit more onboard.
-snip-

Not to speak for CAD, but it's done with (mail-in) absentee ballots.

Once the ballot is removed from the envelope, it cannot be questioned. Ballots themselves have no signature etc.

Fern

 

[Mxylplyx]

While I believe that there was widespread fraud in the voter registration process by Acorn, I'm inclined to believe that the vast majority of these fraudulant registrations wont materialize into actual votes, because most were probably orchestrated by the Acorn workers who were probably paid a commission for each registration. With that being said, this will cast a bit of a shadow over the Obama victory in November.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sure as soon as CAD or whoever explains how imaginary people are coming in droves to vote multiple with their imaginary registrations then perhaps I'll be a bit more onboard.
-snip-

Not to speak for CAD, but it's done with (mail-in) absentee ballots.

Once the ballot is removed from the envelope, it cannot be questioned. Ballots themselves have no signature etc.

Fern

Mail-in voter fraud is definitely more prevalent than in person voter fraud. Of course that's not hard to do considering in-person voter fraud is for all intents and purposes nonexistent. Mail voter fraud is still difficult to do because you need to have physical control over the mail to any particular address. Yes, it's possible to register to empty houses, drive by, pick up the ballots, mark them and send them, but it's still an awful lot of work for not a lot of votes. In order to make a significant impact you need a lot of people doing it, and as everyone knows as a secret involves more people... it doesn't stay a secret.

The vast, vast majority of fraud that takes place takes place by poll workers/people with access. They are the ones with access to large numbers of votes where a single actor CAN make a difference. This is the type of fraud we should be on the lookout for, not these ridiculous specters of a coordinated mail in fraud campaign, or legions of in person voter fraud cases.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
While I believe that there was widespread fraud in the voter registration process by Acorn, I'm inclined to believe that the vast majority of these fraudulant registrations wont materialize into actual votes, because most were probably orchestrated by the Acorn workers who were probably paid a commission for each registration. With that being said, this will cast a bit of a shadow over the Obama victory in November.

At this moment it seems that Obama's victory will be large enough that no amount of complaints will really be able to cast a shadow over it. Then again, there are still 3 weeks left.

The fraud that seems to be taking place is actually perpetrated AGAINST ACORN not BY it. They pay by the registration form. There's no evidence that the random people being registered here had any intention of even attempting to commit fraud (if the government didn't catch the registration first), ACORN was just paying for the same person dozens of times.

 

[ProfJohn]

The biggest problem with stories like this is that they create distrust in the system.

If McCain wins a tight race then the shit will hit the fan. It will be 2000 all over with Democrats writing stories about how the Republicans stole the election etc etc.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The biggest problem with stories like this is that they create distrust in the system.

Well that was your point in posting the story, wasn't it? To spread FUD.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The biggest problem with stories like this is that they create distrust in the system.

If McCain wins a tight race then the shit will hit the fan. It will be 2000 all over with Democrats writing stories about how the Republicans stole the election etc etc.

Distrust is exactly what Republicans are trying to create with this garbage.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The biggest problem with stories like this is that they create distrust in the system.

If McCain wins a tight race then the shit will hit the fan. It will be 2000 all over with Democrats writing stories about how the Republicans stole the election etc etc.

Distrust is exactly what Republicans are trying to create with this garbage.

and having 200k false voter records does not casue mistrust?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sure as soon as CAD or whoever explains how imaginary people are coming in droves to vote multiple with their imaginary registrations then perhaps I'll be a bit more onboard.
-snip-

Not to speak for CAD, but it's done with (mail-in) absentee ballots.

Once the ballot is removed from the envelope, it cannot be questioned. Ballots themselves have no signature etc.

Fern

Mail-in voter fraud is definitely more prevalent than in person voter fraud. Of course that's not hard to do considering in-person voter fraud is for all intents and purposes nonexistent. Mail voter fraud is still difficult to do because you need to have physical control over the mail to any particular address. Yes, it's possible to register to empty houses, drive by, pick up the ballots, mark them and send them, but it's still an awful lot of work for not a lot of votes. In order to make a significant impact you need a lot of people doing it, and as everyone knows as a secret involves more people... it doesn't stay a secret.

The vast, vast majority of fraud that takes place takes place by poll workers/people with access. They are the ones with access to large numbers of votes where a single actor CAN make a difference. This is the type of fraud we should be on the lookout for, not these ridiculous specters of a coordinated mail in fraud campaign, or legions of in person voter fraud cases.

See bolded.

Yeah, who'd ever think to get hold of a box of (unused) ballots?

Not to mention register fake names in different precincts and spend the day going around and voting numerous times, just at different locations.

Never mind, it doesn't matter. No one must raise questions.

Fern

 

[RichardE]

Let us talk about Florida...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: jman19
Voter issues in Ohio?? STOP THE PRESSES!

Where was PJs outrage in 2000 and 2004?

pj wasn't registered here

😕

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Fern
See bolded.

Yeah, who'd ever think to get hold of a box of (unused) ballots?

Not to mention register fake names in different precincts and spend the day going around and voting numerous times, just at different locations.

Never mind, it doesn't matter. No one must raise questions.

Fern

That's not what's occurring here, it's full throttle mouth foaming over nothing. Or as McCain said last night, a threat to our democracy or whatever garbage came out of his mouth.

Currently as in the past, this is just a smoke screen for attempts to purge legitimate voters, most of whom will be, shocker, not white.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Let us talk about Florida...

Let's talk about Florida.

Al Gore lost because Democrats couldn't fill out a ballot created by other Democrats properly.

All of the election stories in 2000 were focused on Democrat counties.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: RichardE
Let us talk about Florida...

Let's talk about Florida.

Al Gore lost because Democrats couldn't fill out a ballot created by other Democrats properly.

All of the election stories in 2000 were focused on Democrat counties.

FL has also gotten a lot stricter this year about such things. Without using the internet, are you even aware of the changes? Things are improving due to discrepancies in the past. FL in this case will be an example of the system working as it should. They are fixing what is broken.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: jman19
Voter issues in Ohio?? STOP THE PRESSES!

Where was PJs outrage in 2000 and 2004?

pj wasn't registered here

😕

I still want to know where his outrage was! 😛

Anyway, let's assume I am using PJ as a proxy for your typical R hack. Do you really think a personality such as his was outraged at all?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: RichardE
Let us talk about Florida...

Let's talk about Florida.

Al Gore lost because Democrats couldn't fill out a ballot created by other Democrats properly.

All of the election stories in 2000 were focused on Democrat counties.

forgetting the purging of thousands of black voters because their names were "similar" to felons on no-vote lists are we? convenient...

 

[microbial]

The sad history of the republican party during my lifetime is that they have always made serious and sustained efforts to keep people from voting.

The idea of less voter turn-out/registration (by any means possible) and more voter apathy/disinterest is the foundational cornerstone of the republican platform.

 

[ICRS]

There is voter fraud on both sides. All in all it balances it self out.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: RichardE
Let us talk about Florida...

Let's talk about Florida.

Al Gore lost because Democrats couldn't fill out a ballot created by other Democrats properly.

All of the election stories in 2000 were focused on Democrat counties.

forgetting the purging of thousands of black voters because their names were "similar" to felons on no-vote lists are we? convenient...

Forget the "calling it for Gore" early by CNN which ended up with many republican voters not voting.

You could go tit-for-tat all day on Florida.

 

[jpeyton]

200,000 names? Sounds like voter fraud from the Repugs, trying to pull their usual election year voter purges.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm amazed that Obama isn't at the front and center of this issue.

he was so concerned about proper, valid voting that in his first campaign, he got people rejected for printing instead of signing their names.

I'm amazed that someone like you can't figure it out.

As long as the fraud is helping them, why question it. I'm sure your buddy bush didn't have any problems with it.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So 660,000 Ohioans are newly registered to vote this year.

Of those 200,000 or a third have some type if discrepancy.
Now many of those are most likely minor, but how many of those could be fake registrations? Or double registrations?

We have already heard the stories of guys registering 12 times 50 times etc.

So how many times are you allowed to vote if you have registered 50x?

Just once you say, ah, OK. Got it now.