Abortion

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nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Sez you. And I'll bet you're probably just like all the rest of the hypocrites and actually mean "human life > convenience"


so tell me, what do i mean by "life" then? there's nothing wrong with convenience. it becomes wrong once we start killing off people because we don't want to deal with them.

Well, do you eat fast food? A lot of life suffers cruelly so that people can get a cheap burger or chicken sandwich. That's just one example where convenience prevails highly over "life."
Fetus != Person
 

BigToque

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo (and edited by Stefan)
What is it with people who believe that women who have sex must be saddled with unwanted children as "punishment" for their "sinful actions"?

The Idea of Righteousness.
...

Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific co-operation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion
[/L]

That part is one of the most asinine things I've ever read. People thinking abortion being wrong is not a product of religion and it wont go away if all religion disappeared.
 

Legendary

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Some of you guys are aware that some birth control (progesterone) works by preventing a fertilized egg from sticking to the womb, right?
So, if abortions are wrong because the fetus is alive at conception, this form of birth control is illegal to you as well (or so it would seem)
Just FYI, you have another thing to soapbox against.
 

eigen

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We kill babies everyday for convenince. How many of the pro-lifers on the board are also pacifist if not please explain the iraq baby

unwanted child? . The point of the pic is the incosistent nature of your views. On one hand you have fetus, perhaps concious perhaps not, wanted by the mother no. On the other hand you have a child fully self-aware and and wanted by its parents. Yet from most of the pro-lifers there is no outcry against this war. (nor for that matter against the sanctions that killed 500,000 iraqi children) . The point I am trying to make is not about politics but more about that notion that the concern for the child is a veil for wanting power over a womans body.Take a good look at that pic. Then repsond.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Sez you. And I'll bet you're probably just like all the rest of the hypocrites and actually mean "human life > convenience"


so tell me, what do i mean by "life" then? there's nothing wrong with convenience. it becomes wrong once we start killing off people because we don't want to deal with them.

Well, do you eat fast food? A lot of life suffers cruelly so that people can get a cheap burger or chicken sandwich. That's just one example where convenience prevails highly over "life."
Fetus != Person

animals are meant to be eaten. please don't tell me you're a hardcore animals rights activist

edit: gurck, you bastard :p
 

Legendary

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Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo (and edited by Stefan)
What is it with people who believe that women who have sex must be saddled with unwanted children as "punishment" for their "sinful actions"?

The Idea of Righteousness.
...

Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific co-operation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion[/L]


That part is one of the most asinine things I've ever read. People thinking abortion being wrong is not a product of religion and it wont go away if all religion disappeared.


It is beyond all of us to imagine humanity without religion. Don't kid yourself.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Sez you. And I'll bet you're probably just like all the rest of the hypocrites and actually mean "human life > convenience"


so tell me, what do i mean by "life" then? there's nothing wrong with convenience. it becomes wrong once we start killing off people because we don't want to deal with them.

Well, do you eat fast food? A lot of life suffers cruelly so that people can get a cheap burger or chicken sandwich. That's just one example where convenience prevails highly over "life."
Fetus != Person

animals are meant to be eaten. please don't tell me you're a hardcore animals rights activist

edit: gurck, you bastard :p

No, I just don't think human lives are necessarily any more valuable than the life of a chicken.
I eat at Popeye's and Burger King, and I enjoy it. And there's just a certain visceral satisfaction one gets from tearing the flesh off a nice rack of BBQ ribs. Heck, I'd eat human meat if I could buy it at the market (as long as it was tasty).
 

overclock

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In the great state of Maryland a minor child has to have parental permission to have his/her ears pierced but not to have an abortion. That's right. Your 16 can kill a child in the womb without you knowing but you have to be there for the ear piercing. Flaming liberals.

The choice has been made, the consequences set, now live with it. It is kinda like eating a spicy dish and then saying, "I shouldn't have eaten that. Now I have heartburn." Tough. You chose to eat it, live with it.
 

BigToque

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Originally posted by: Legendary
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo (and edited by Stefan)
What is it with people who believe that women who have sex must be saddled with unwanted children as "punishment" for their "sinful actions"?

The Idea of Righteousness.
...

Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific co-operation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion
[/L]

That part is one of the most asinine things I've ever read. People thinking abortion being wrong is not a product of religion and it wont go away if all religion disappeared.

It is beyond all of us to imagine humanity without religion. Don't kid yourself.

I'm not religious in any way, shape or form and with a few exceptions, I say abortion is wrong. The value of human life is not a product of religion. Life is special and should be treated as such.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Sez you. And I'll bet you're probably just like all the rest of the hypocrites and actually mean "human life > convenience"


so tell me, what do i mean by "life" then? there's nothing wrong with convenience. it becomes wrong once we start killing off people because we don't want to deal with them.

Well, do you eat fast food? A lot of life suffers cruelly so that people can get a cheap burger or chicken sandwich. That's just one example where convenience prevails highly over "life."
Fetus != Person

animals are meant to be eaten. please don't tell me you're a hardcore animals rights activist

edit: gurck, you bastard :p

No, I just don't think human lives are necessarily any more valuable than the life of a chicken.
I eat at Popeye's and Burger King, and I enjoy it. And there's just a certain visceral satisfaction one gets from tearing the flesh off a nice rack of BBQ ribs. Heck, I'd eat human meat if I could buy it at the market (as long as it was tasty).


so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: overclock
In the great state of Maryland a minor child has to have parental permission to have his/her ears pierced but not to have an abortion. That's right. Your 16 can kill a child in the womb without you knowing but you have to be there for the ear piercing. Flaming liberals.

The choice has been made, the consequences set, now live with it. It is kinda like eating a spicy dish and then saying, "I shouldn't have eaten that. Now I have heartburn." Tough. You chose to eat it, live with it.

So your saying they should have the right to pierce their ears? :)
 

nakedfrog

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so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)

Why is any justification necessary? If they were raised to be eaten, there's no problem.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
One more thing... I have read, over and over again, in this thread the term... unwanted baby. The baby might not be wanted by the parents, but chances are someone would want it.. the grandparents, adoptive parents, etc. This should be an option explained to woman who want to abort.

Are there more parents waiting to adopt children than there are orphans? I didn't think that was the case.
(and women who go to planned parenthood to get a referral to an abortion clinic do have their options explained to them)
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)

Why is any justification necessary? If they were raised to be eaten, there's no problem.

the bolded part would be your justification, then.
 

BigToque

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Sez you. And I'll bet you're probably just like all the rest of the hypocrites and actually mean "human life > convenience"


so tell me, what do i mean by "life" then? there's nothing wrong with convenience. it becomes wrong once we start killing off people because we don't want to deal with them.

Well, do you eat fast food? A lot of life suffers cruelly so that people can get a cheap burger or chicken sandwich. That's just one example where convenience prevails highly over "life."
Fetus != Person

animals are meant to be eaten. please don't tell me you're a hardcore animals rights activist

edit: gurck, you bastard :p

No, I just don't think human lives are necessarily any more valuable than the life of a chicken.
I eat at Popeye's and Burger King, and I enjoy it. And there's just a certain visceral satisfaction one gets from tearing the flesh off a nice rack of BBQ ribs. Heck, I'd eat human meat if I could buy it at the market (as long as it was tasty).

Canabilism is one of the few "universal social norms" (I think there are 7 of them) that is not acceptable by humans (incest is another), there are a few isolated tribes that practice it, but it is not common by any means.

Yes humans eat other animals. It's what we do to survive. If animals are being raised in a cruel environment, I do not agree with that. I believe that we should use only what we need, and that all life is valuable.
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)

Why is any justification necessary? If they were raised to be eaten, there's no problem.

i agree

if i were given 5 dollars per baby to kill as many babies as i could with a gun, i'd do it so long as i wouldn't get in trouble with the law, just line them up in a row.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)

Why is any justification necessary? If they were raised to be eaten, there's no problem.

the bolded part would be your justification, then.

I don't think I see your point.
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am pro choice

me too. they had the choice to be a moron or not, thats the "choice" they had. you make a bad "choice", you suffer the consequences.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)

Why is any justification necessary? If they were raised to be eaten, there's no problem.

the bolded part would be your justification, then.

I don't think I see your point.


i asked what your justification (reason) would be for eating people, so as to put them on the same level as animals that we kill and eat. you said "if they're raised to be eaten, there's no problem." therefore, that is your reason.
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am pro choice

me too. they had the choice to be a moron or not, thats the "choice" they had. you make a bad "choice", you suffer the consequences.

so when that fetus grows into a child, then the child should also suffer the consequences that the parent made? ....
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
so how would you justify the killing, cooking, and eating of other people? (in order to put them on par with chicken, cows, pigs, etc.)

Why is any justification necessary? If they were raised to be eaten, there's no problem.

the bolded part would be your justification, then.

I don't think I see your point.


i asked what your justification (reason) would be for eating people, so as to put them on the same level as animals that we kill and eat. you said "if they're raised to be eaten, there's no problem." therefore, that is your reason.

Well no duh, I mean what does that have to do with your belief that people should be forced to raise unwanted children?
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am pro choice

me too. they had the choice to be a moron or not, thats the "choice" they had. you make a bad "choice", you suffer the consequences.

so when that fetus grows into a child, then the child should also suffer the consequences that the parent made? ....

why would the child be "suffering" if it was alive vs. dead?