Abortion

[EXman]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: JohnCU
What if Einstein had been aborted?

A bunch of Japanese would still be alive.

And a percentage of ATers would never exsist after losing 250.000 more during the Japanese campaign. there dads and grand dads would never gotten to make any children.

makes you think what could have been...

 

[0roo0roo]

what if hitler were aborted... makes you think what could have been...

 

[sonambulo]

then we wouldnt have this

think before you post next time

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what if hitler were aborted... makes you think what could have been...

I am glad Hitler lived. For if he hadn't, I probably wouldn't be alive today nor many other people on these forums.

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: JohnCU
What if Einstein had been aborted?

A bunch of Japanese would still be alive.

No, no they wouldn't. If it was Oppenheimer probably yes.

Einstein didn't work on the Manhattan Project. The only thing he did do was urge the government to build one (among with others) to put an end to things. After that, the last letter he wrote on his deathbed was to request a ban on nuclear weapons.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I don't buy into the 'you knew the consequences when you decided to have sex, so oyu are stuck" argument.

I got pregnant on the pill. there are millions of women that get pregnant while on birth control of some sort.
...

Yes you did know the consequences. Your getting pregnant was your own fault and you are responsible. You know that having sex can lead to pregnancy. You know that birth control pills are not 100% effective. You took a chance and unfortunately got pregnant. For you to abort your fetus under these circumstances I would say that you are taking the easy way out and trying to avoid the consequences of your own actions. You shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of responsibility just because you can. Just because you can doesn't make it right.

You can't be serious... this quote is straight out of the 17th century :Q Men who feel this way would be the first (of many) to change their tune if males in our species were the ones to get pregnant and give birth.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I don't buy into the 'you knew the consequences when you decided to have sex, so oyu are stuck" argument.

I got pregnant on the pill. there are millions of women that get pregnant while on birth control of some sort.
...

Yes you did know the consequences. Your getting pregnant was your own fault and you are responsible. You know that having sex can lead to pregnancy. You know that birth control pills are not 100% effective. You took a chance and unfortunately got pregnant. For you to abort your fetus under these circumstances I would say that you are taking the easy way out and trying to avoid the consequences of your own actions. You shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of responsibility just because you can. Just because you can doesn't make it right.

You can't be serious... this quote is straight out of the 17th century :Q Men who feel this way would be the first (of many) to change their tune if males in our species were the ones to get pregnant and give birth.

Yes personal responsibility is so 17th century.

 

[Pandamonium]

Pro choice.

At least you have the option there. Pro life doesn't make sense to me. It's just another example of one group of people imposing its values unto another group.... just my $.02 though

 

[user1234]

don't do it, or just do it

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: user1234
don't do it, or just do it

Yay....bump the flamebait! :roll:

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: JohnCU
What if Einstein had been aborted?

A bunch of Japanese would still be alive.

No, they would still be alive if they hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I don't buy into the 'you knew the consequences when you decided to have sex, so oyu are stuck" argument.

I got pregnant on the pill. there are millions of women that get pregnant while on birth control of some sort.
...

Yes you did know the consequences. Your getting pregnant was your own fault and you are responsible. You know that having sex can lead to pregnancy. You know that birth control pills are not 100% effective. You took a chance and unfortunately got pregnant. For you to abort your fetus under these circumstances I would say that you are taking the easy way out and trying to avoid the consequences of your own actions. You shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of responsibility just because you can. Just because you can doesn't make it right.

You can't be serious... this quote is straight out of the 17th century :Q Men who feel this way would be the first (of many) to change their tune if males in our species were the ones to get pregnant and give birth.

Yes personal responsibility is so 17th century.

I'm talking about the way he's denying all male responsibility in pregnancy and, of course, denying a woman status as an equal capable of making decisions about her own body, something you can't be pro-life without doing.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DWW

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what if hitler were aborted... makes you think what could have been...

I am glad Hitler lived. For if he hadn't, I probably wouldn't be alive today nor many other people on these forums.

WTF?

 

[UnatcoAgent]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
I don't buy into the 'you knew the consequences when you decided to have sex, so oyu are stuck" argument.

I got pregnant on the pill. there are millions of women that get pregnant while on birth control of some sort.
...

Yes you did know the consequences. Your getting pregnant was your own fault and you are responsible. You know that having sex can lead to pregnancy. You know that birth control pills are not 100% effective. You took a chance and unfortunately got pregnant. For you to abort your fetus under these circumstances I would say that you are taking the easy way out and trying to avoid the consequences of your own actions. You shouldn't be allowed to weasel out of responsibility just because you can. Just because you can doesn't make it right.

You can't be serious... this quote is straight out of the 17th century :Q Men who feel this way would be the first (of many) to change their tune if males in our species were the ones to get pregnant and give birth.

Yes personal responsibility is so 17th century.

Honestly I agree with you Gurck, what a narrow minded thing to say. You are not weaseling out of anything you retard, if anything you are being more responsible by not bringing a child into this world who will not be given the level of care it should be.

All of you pro life preachers, your ignorance is just astounding.

 

[trexpesto]

Boh Boh Boh ba-ba boh-Boh ~~ Ice Ice the Baby

 

[user1234]

ask the child: to be or not to be, that is the question

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Originally posted by: JohnCU
What if Einstein had been aborted?

What if it had been Stalin?

This is about the poorest argument one can make, as it's so easy to turn around. Especially when the person in question was never in danger of being aborted in the first place.

Yeah, but what if you abort the person that has the ability to think outside the box, like Einstein did (I think I read he had the ability to think in 4 dimensions) and can cure cancer, AIDs, etc?

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Originally posted by: JohnCU
What if Einstein had been aborted?

What if it had been Stalin?

This is about the poorest argument one can make, as it's so easy to turn around. Especially when the person in question was never in danger of being aborted in the first place.

Yeah, but what if you abort the person that has the ability to think outside the box, like Einstein did (I think I read he had the ability to think in 4 dimensions) and can cure cancer, AIDs, etc?

Okay, you missed the point totally. You're over there, the point is over here.

The problem about arguing against abortion based on ability is that those abilities can only be known through hindsight. You can only know what someone is capable of -- whether that be extraordinary good, extraordinary evil, or blasé normality -- after they've been allowed to live. There is no certainty about the future of a fetus, it's all potential. Every aborted baby had the potential to be a psychopath or a saint equally.

The argument that abortions should stop so we can save potential Einsteins is just as easily turned around to say it should continue to remove potential Stalins.

 

[JohnCU]

So how do you find out what they're capable of if you don't allow them to live?

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
So how do you find out what they're capable of if you don't allow them to live?

You don't. Just like you don't know whether you'll be t-boned by a bus while out driving tomorrow. Arguments based on potentiality are futile because one just dosen't know what the future holds for anyone, and it's equally easy to argue from the opposite side of any issue. That's why it's a stupid argument to make, which was all I was trying to say with that first post.

But for the sake of the topic, why should potential be a factor at all in deciding on abortion? Just because someone else thinks that the child has the potential to be a genius, should they have the right to force the mother to carry it to term when doing so would be against her wishes?

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Originally posted by: JohnCU
So how do you find out what they're capable of if you don't allow them to live?

You don't. Just like you don't know whether you'll be t-boned by a bus while out driving tomorrow. Arguments based on potentiality are futile because one just dosen't know what the future holds for anyone, and it's equally easy to argue from the opposite side of any issue. That's why it's a stupid argument to make, which was all I was trying to say with that first post.

But for the sake of the topic, why should potential be a factor at all in deciding on abortion? Just because someone else thinks that the child has the potential to be a genius, should they have the right to force the mother to carry it to term when doing so would be against her wishes?

I see your point, but I still see mine as well. I mean, isn't potential the reason we do everything? Do you skip out on stuff/events that have potential, but have outcomes that aren't 100% certain?

 

coathangers.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

abortion = murder

it's just that simple. If it's legal to kill a baby, it should be legal to kill a doctor.

 

[trexpesto]

yeah there are too many people in the world, in case you guys havent noticed...
Hopefully the superflu will get us before we finish wrecking the world.
Did you ever see what happens to bacteria that reproduce exponentially in a test tube? They die a horrible death drowning in their own excrement. It would be nice to sterilize a random sample of 85% of the world pop for a few generations, but no doubt that would have it's own problems. "We can expect the world's population of 6 billion [in year 2000] to become 12 billion by 2054 if current growth continues." http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa051800a.htm
Forecasters have predicted that disease, hunger, education and rising standards of living, war, and pollution, will cause the world pop to level off considerably ( ~11 billion) after 2075. http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm
So buy real estate. Not too near present sea level though...

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: trexpesto
yeah there are too many people in the world, in case you guys havent noticed...
Hopefully the superflu will get us before we finish wrecking the world.
Did you ever see what happens to bacteria that reproduce exponentially in a test tube? They die a horrible death drowning in their own excrement. It would be nice to sterilize a random sample of 85% of the world pop for a few generations, but no doubt that would have it's own problems. "We can expect the world's population of 6 billion [in year 2000] to become 12 billion by 2054 if current growth continues." http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa051800a.htm
Forecasters have predicted that disease, hunger, education and rising standards of living, war, and pollution, will cause the world pop to level off considerably ( ~11 billion) after 2075. http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm
So buy real estate. Not too near present sea level though...

You do realize that this whole overpopulation problem doesn't really exist here in the US? We don't pump out 10 babies per family like some places in Africa.