Abortion thread:11-14-05 14 yr old Pa. Girl Missing After Parents Slain - Update: Found

[SeminoleMarine]

By DENISE GRADY
New York Times

CHICAGO - Taking on one of the most highly charged questions in the abortion debate, a team of doctors has concluded that fetuses probably cannot feel pain in the first six months of gestation and therefore do not need anesthesia during abortions.

Their report, being published today in The Journal of the American Medical Association, is based on a review of several hundred scientific papers, and it says that nerve connections in the brain are unlikely to have developed enough for the fetus to feel pain before 29 weeks.
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The two highlighted words are enough for me to see that this is a guess. So, I will get together with a team of doctors tomorrow and we will come out with an announcement that fetuses probably do feel pain and therefore the nerve connections in the brain have more than likely developed enough for it to feel pain, making it necessary to administer anesthesia.

 

[WingZero94]

These doctors are liberal activist puppets.... doing nothing but trying to spout a bunch of crap and lies to enrage people.

 

[zendari]

Good. Now I can give people anasthesia and then blow their heads off with a shotgun.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Anti-abortionists make me sick... and most of them are men, too... frickin' hypocrites!

 

[azazyel]

If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks


Digable Planets "Femme Fatale"

and there was nikki
lookin some kind of sad with tears fallin from her eyes
she sat me down
and dug my frown and began to run it down
"you remember my boyfriend sid that fly kid who i love
well our love was often a verb and spontaneity has brought a third
but do to our youth an economic state we wish to terminate
about this we don't feel great , but baby that's how it is
but the feds have dissed me
they ignore and dismiss
and the pro-lifers harrass me outside the clinic
and call me a murderer, now that's hate
so needless to say we're in a mental state of debate"
hey beautiful bird i said digging her somber mood
the fascists are some heavy dudes
they don't really give a dam about life
they just don't want a woman to
control her body or have the right to choose
but baby that ain't nothin
they just want a male finger on the button
because if you say war they will send them to die by the score
aborting mission should be your volition
but if souter and thomas have their way
you'll be standing in line unable to get welfare while they're out
hunting and fishing
it has always been around it will always have a niche
but they'll make it a privelege not a right
accessible only to the rich
pro-lifers should dig themselves
cause life doesn't stop after birth
and to a child borne to the unprepared
it might even just get worse
supporters of the h-bomb and fire bombing clinic
what type of sh!t is that? orwellian in fact
if roe v wade was overturned would not the desire remain intact
leaving young girls to risk their healths
and doctors to botch and watch as they kill themselves
i don't want to sound macabre
but hey, isn't it my job
to lay it on the masses and get them off their arses
to fight against these fascists
so whatever you decide make that move with pride
sid will be there (ladybug will be there, doodlebug will be there)
and so will i

 

[judasmachine]

great now to go kill me some babies!

(isn't this what they expect us to say?)

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: glenn1
While I don't agree with their views, I don't think I've ever seen a pro-lifer use fetal pain as a main argument for their anti-abortion position. That someone would use this finding as a pro-choice argument makes me wonder what planet they live on. While the majority of Americans support choice, citing a study like this and following it up by saying things like "the only pain experienced is the lack of control that the anti-abortion folks feel when they lose the ability to control the lives of women" is going to make most people think that you're a goddamn sociopath.

While the pro-lifers don't use it as a "main argument", it is being used as a supporting argument. It is being used as a tool to guilt a perspective abortion candidate into changing their mind by requiring doctors to explain the pain that the fetus will experience.

And it is on the verge of becoming a federal law that they do this:

Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act of 2005

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Anti-abortionists make me sick... and most of them are men, too... frickin' hypocrites!

Ok. Since your threw out the word, would you care to explain how being both male and anti-abortion infers that you must be a hypocrite? 😕

 

[crooked22]

I have a son... and all I know is this:

Had he been aborted, no matter how many other children I had in the future, NO ONE would be the way he is. Killing a baby is about killing the possibility of a human.

I am anti-abortion.

 

[Alistar7]

Scientists also say drowning is the most pleasant way to die, and burning to death the worst. I say, who are they asking?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: WingZero94
So if I kill somebody in their sleep..... and they don't feel it then that makes it A OK...... How about TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS PEOPLE!!! This no-fault freedom attitude that liberals spout is a bunch of hogs wash.

Hey! I resent your use of "hogs" in this negative way. Hogs are very sensitive animals; they feel pain. Your words may be causing a deep, psychic wound to some unknown hog out in America's heartland.

Signed,

An unfeeling, irresponsible, no-fault-freedom liberal.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: azazyel
If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks

Load of crap. This does not validate killing a childs life. How about people get responsible and don't have sex with somebody if they are not willing to have consequences. Perhaps instead of aborting children we should educate people on the consequences of having sex before you're married.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Anti-abortionists make me sick... and most of them are men, too... frickin' hypocrites!

Ok. Since your threw out the word, would you care to explain how being both male and anti-abortion infers that you must be a hypocrite? 😕

He's just spouting crap because he doesn't have a good point.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: SeminoleMarine
By DENISE GRADY
New York Times

CHICAGO - Taking on one of the most highly charged questions in the abortion debate, a team of doctors has concluded that fetuses probably cannot feel pain in the first six months of gestation and therefore do not need anesthesia during abortions.

Their report, being published today in The Journal of the American Medical Association, is based on a review of several hundred scientific papers, and it says that nerve connections in the brain are unlikely to have developed enough for the fetus to feel pain before 29 weeks.
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The two highlighted words are enough for me to see that this is a guess. So, I will get together with a team of doctors tomorrow and we will come out with an announcement that fetuses probably do feel pain and therefore the nerve connections in the brain have more than likely developed enough for it to feel pain, making it necessary to administer anesthesia.

Why dont they just find a premature baby, stab it with a tack. If it feels pain it screams.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: azazyel
If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks

Load of crap. This does not validate killing a childs life. How about people get responsible and don't have sex with somebody if they are not willing to have consequences. Perhaps instead of aborting children we should educate people on the consequences of having sex before you're married.

Half the liberal agenda revolves around promoting gaydom, prostitution, "moments of passion", and anything they can think of to increase sexual promiscuity.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: azazyel
If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks

Load of crap. This does not validate killing a childs life. How about people get responsible and don't have sex with somebody if they are not willing to have consequences. Perhaps instead of aborting children we should educate people on the consequences of having sex before you're married.

Half the liberal agenda revolves around promoting gaydom, prostitution, "moments of passion", and anything they can think of to increase sexual promiscuity.

And half the conservative agenda is about repressing one's natural urges and replacing them with Jesus. What's your point?

 

[FuzzyBee]

"most likely" != "do not"

e.g., "Most likely, everything that Dave posts is not hyperbole." See?

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: azazyel
If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks

Load of crap. This does not validate killing a childs life. How about people get responsible and don't have sex with somebody if they are not willing to have consequences. Perhaps instead of aborting children we should educate people on the consequences of having sex before you're married.

Can't the Right doesn't like us talking about our private parts and contraceptives are a no no.

And why not adopt a kid, sounds like you would make a great parent! And since you want to control over other people's uterus's you might as well take on the responsibility.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: azazyel
If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks

Load of crap. This does not validate killing a childs life. How about people get responsible and don't have sex with somebody if they are not willing to have consequences. Perhaps instead of aborting children we should educate people on the consequences of having sex before you're married.

Can't the Right doesn't like us talking about our private parts and contraceptives are a no no.

And why not adopt a kid, sounds like you would make a great parent! And since you want to control over other people's uterus's you might as well take on the responsibility.

The problem with your argument, control over somebodies uterus, is that it is no different then murdering a child after it is born. You know... we figured after we had tommy we really didn't need him around.... and there was nobody around to adopt him, so we just completed his abortion after he was born....

Adopting a child is a wonderful thing. I was adopted and am thankful for that. I have children and would have no problem adopting another, however I know plenty of people who can't have children that are on long waiting lists to adopt.

Your talking about the good of the one outweighing the good of the many (sorry for the ST liner). That is typical liberal talk.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: azazyel
If you're so pro-life, and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, and is very unwanted, and very alone, and needs someone to take care of it and get it out of a horrible situation. And people say 'Well, why don't you do that?' and I say 'Cause I hate farking kids and couldn't care less'. Bill Hicks

Load of crap. This does not validate killing a childs life. How about people get responsible and don't have sex with somebody if they are not willing to have consequences. Perhaps instead of aborting children we should educate people on the consequences of having sex before you're married.

Half the liberal agenda revolves around promoting gaydom, prostitution, "moments of passion", and anything they can think of to increase sexual promiscuity.

And half the conservative agenda is about repressing one's natural urges and replacing them with Jesus. What's your point?

The difference is instead of screwing everything you see because it's your 'urge' and no fault freedome right to do so, maybe get some morales, quit spreading disease and virus, quit impregnating people you don't even care about. Which by the way causes us to pay more tax dollars.

Just because you have an 'urge' to do something does not make it right.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Your talking about the good of the one outweighing the good of the many (sorry for the ST liner). That is typical liberal talk.

Dont be naive. Conservatives have many key issues that they promote the good of the one over the good of the many.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Your talking about the good of the one outweighing the good of the many (sorry for the ST liner). That is typical liberal talk.

Dont be naive. Conservatives have many key issues that they promote the good of the one over the good of the many.

This isn't about money/etc. This is about a human life. Not even close comparisons.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Your talking about the good of the one outweighing the good of the many (sorry for the ST liner). That is typical liberal talk.

Dont be naive. Conservatives have many key issues that they promote the good of the one over the good of the many.

This isn't about money/etc. This is about a human life. Not even close comparisons.

Then don't make blanket statements. It hurts your credibility. You said, that conservatives look out for the good of the many as opposed to liberals that look out for the good of the individual. That is simply not true.

Fruthermore, your good of the many vs good of the few doesn't even fit the respective positions of abortion rights. Saving the life of a fetus would be looking out for the individual. Try not to generalize. It detracts from your arguements.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: WingZero94

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: WingZero94
Your talking about the good of the one outweighing the good of the many (sorry for the ST liner). That is typical liberal talk.

Dont be naive. Conservatives have many key issues that they promote the good of the one over the good of the many.

This isn't about money/etc. This is about a human life. Not even close comparisons.

Then don't make blanket statements. It hurts your credibility. You said, that conservatives look out for the good of the many as opposed to liberals that look out for the good of the individual. That is simply not true.

Fruthermore, your good of the many vs good of the few doesn't even fit the respective positions of abortion rights. Saving the life of a fetus would be looking out for the individual. Try not to generalize. It detracts from your arguements.

Ah, I understand. I do believe that conservatives have also looked out for themselves in many respects. There are a number of areas that need 'cleaning up' in the conservative agenda. They have done nothing for wellfare reform in the last couple decades (nothing major). What I meant with the good of the many thing came across wrong. I meant that we have a perfectly good life, lets not waste it. If it gives a woman discomfort (physical pain, etc) to carry a child then that still doesn't outweigh the cost of a life.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: zendari
Half the liberal agenda revolves around promoting gaydom, prostitution, "moments of passion", and anything they can think of to increase sexual promiscuity.

Well then I say hooray for liberals!