Abortion Question: Consent

[amdhunter]

repost. My last thread on this subject ended up getting like half the forum banned. lol

Anyway, I think the man has as much right to abort the child, or the woman should be forced to waive her claim on "child" support.

 

[BoomerD]

While I think the husband should be allowed to have some input, (It should be a joint decision) in the end, it's the wife's body, and only she has the choice.
Giving that choice to a man means forcing the woman to carry a potentially unwanted fetus to term.

If you're not married...you shouldn't even have the right to weigh in on the decision.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

In theory, yes both should have to give consent. Although abortion should simply be illegal.

Then masturbation is murder as well

 

[zinfamous]

Then masturbation is murder as well

well, it does make you go blind..

 

[amdhunter]

In theory, yes both should have to give consent. Although abortion should simply be illegal.

Then both should give consent to KEEP the baby as well.

Far too many women open their legs for a paycheck from unsuspecting men.

I'd bet if men were able to abort financial responsibility, pregnancies would drop by 90%. You'd see a bunch of Pro-Life whores suddenly thinking "hey, abortion ain't so bad after all..."

 

[3chordcharlie]

well, it does make you go blind..

Actually, just shave the hair off your palms, and your sight returns, too.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then masturbation is murder as well

It's not just murder, it's genocide! Death by the millions!

 

[HAL9000]

In theory, yes both should have to give consent. Although abortion should simply be illegal.

Agreed.

This is P&N, please move the thread there.

Nope, this is neither news nor politics, it's ethics and thus off topic.

If married, sure.

But until the male is capable of gestating at least part of the fetus inside his own body, then of course not.

I disagree, the male should have a say in what happens to his potential offspring.

 

[HAL9000]

repost. My last thread on this subject ended up getting like half the forum banned. lol

Link?

Anyway, I think the man has as much right to abort the child, or the woman should be forced to waive her claim on "child" support.

Not exactly the point I was making, but I agree.

Then masturbation is murder as well

He didn't mention murder...

 

[zinfamous]

I disagree, the male should have a say in what happens to his potential offspring.

That's an easy assumption to make when you irrationally think that both parties contribute equally to the transaction and further responsibilities.

 

[Whisper]

If married, sure.

But until the male is capable of gestating at least part of the fetus inside his own body, then of course not.

This.

 

[amdhunter]

Link?

From way back in 2009...

 

[Whisper]

Then both should give consent to KEEP the baby as well.

Far too many women open their legs for a paycheck from unsuspecting men.

I'd bet if men were able to abort financial responsibility, pregnancies would drop by 90%. You'd see a bunch of Pro-Life whores suddenly thinking "hey, abortion ain't so bad after all..."

I'm wondering how exactly it is that these men were somehow "unsuspecting." Did they slip and have their penis unknowingly fall into a vagina trap?

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

well, it does make you go blind..

....and gives you hairy hands

 

[HAL9000]

That's an easy assumption to make when you irrationally think that both parties contribute equally to the transaction and further responsibilities.

Well it depends who hit on who and who was on top to who contributed the most to the transaction, but it's close to equal.

 

[amdhunter]

I'm wondering how exactly it is that these men were somehow "unsuspecting." Did they slip and have their penis unknowingly fall into a vagina trap?

Do women slip and land on penises? Condoms break. Women lie about birth control and so on.

Women are professional liars when they feel that they want to punish a man, or make money. (Which not only includes child support, but crying rape after consensual sex as well.)

Women in the workplace also know that they can game the system to get them millions in sexual harassment claims.

To put blame on a man 100% of the time is the product of feminist values being pushed on society.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Link?



Not exactly the point I was making, but I agree.



He didn't mention murder...

Well if it was illegal what would the charge be?

The question you should ask if consent from either parent is valid. Eg just from the dad or the mom. OR is the mothers consent in both situations the factor that makes it valid.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm wondering how exactly it is that these men were somehow "unsuspecting." Did they slip and have their penis unknowingly fall into a vagina trap?

some will make that argument.

example: read this thread.

:awe:

 

[zinfamous]

Well it depends who hit on who and who was on top to who contributed the most to the transaction, but it's close to equal.

Oh, I forgot: you're a simple-minded idiot.

Well, you'd have to be, if you think that everything involved in creating a baby begins and ends at "in-out, in-out."

fucking idiot.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

Both parents.

 

[Darwin333]

I don't think that the male should have to consent but before the baby is born I think the male should be given the same opportunity to absolve himself of any responsibility for the child that the mother is given.

 

[Darwin333]

I guess the "father" should have thought of that before he stuck his cock in the mother without wrapping it first. Her body, her decision.

Once the child is born the state decides matters like child support and what is best for the child. I'm fine with the laws as they are currently written. Again, don't like it? Don't have unprotected sex with women you don't know.

So you have absolutely no issue with one party being able to completely absolve their responsibility but the other party has absolutely no choice in the matter whatsoever?

The very same "don't like it statement" can be used for women too.

 

[Whisper]

Do women slip and land on penises? Condoms break. Women lie about birth control and so on.

Women are professional liars when they feel that they want to punish a man, or make money. (Which not only includes child support, but crying rape after consensual sex as well.)

Women in the workplace also know that they can game the system to get them millions in sexual harassment claims.

To put blame on a man 100% of the time is the product of feminist values being pushed on society.

I'm wondering what it was that a woman did to you in the past that's caused you to have such a myopic view of the entire gender.

Regardless, a few things:

1) Where have I stated that it's the man's "fault?" I've simply said that no man who has a child with a woman can realistically claim in all but the most odd and extreme circumstances to be "unsuspecting"

2) Who cares if the woman says she's on BC? Even if she is, there's always a chance of failure. Fact is, if a man isn't willing to accept the idea that if he doesn't want to have a child, he needs to wear a condom, then he shouldn't be having sex. Likewise, any man who doesn't accept that even with a condom, BC, and whatever else, shit happens and you could still have a kid, also doesn't need to be having sex.

3) Men lie and manipulate just as often as women. Neither gender can claim a monopoly on being a shitty person.

When it comes to pregnancy and childbirth, women bear the brunt of that burden. Relatedly, the fetus is biologically a part of her, hence the greater weight allotted her decision when it comes to abortions.

Even afterward, if she chooses to have a child despite the father wishing to abort, she can attempt to collect child support, but there's no guarantee she'll be able to find him or that he'll actually pay.

 

[Darwin333]

That's an easy assumption to make when you irrationally think that both parties contribute equally to the transaction and further responsibilities.

Could you please explain how, other than carrying the child for 9 months, I do not have equal responsibilities for both of my daughters? One is in school and the other is about to start but since my wife stays at home I have the responsibility of providing for them and being their father but my wife still has more "further responsibilities" concerning our children than I do?

Please do elaborate.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

It takes two to Tango.