Of course this is not a simple issue, but it should be. Murder/life aren't hard concepts to grasp.
You say the mother, doctor, and spiritual figure are involved, but what about the baby? If everyone in America hated a certain person, and they all voted to murder him, would it be justified? Should that person's life be taken away because no one wants him? No. He could move away .. to another country, for example (the equivalent of putting a baby up for adoption, in this scenario).
I can't speak for Buddah or Allah, but I know that if that person believes in God (the true God) then they should believe in the commandments. The 5th commandment, "Thou shalt not kill", makes this topic pretty clear. Same goes with the non-christian branches, however, not as specific (Judaism).
IAteYourMother
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Kadarin
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IMO: For a lot of people, the sentiment against abortion does not arise from any real concern for the baby (or if it does it's secondary). It instead comes from a self-righteous desire to punish women for what they perceive to be "immoral" sexual behavior. The "if you choose to have sex, you must accept the consequences" argument.
*walks up and down aisles of ATOTers sitting in lawn chairs and sells snacks and beverages*
peanuts!! hothots!! cold beer!!! git em right here....peeeanuts!!! red hots!!! sour patch kids!! raisanettes!!! sodas!!! nachos!! git em right here!!!
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peanuts!! hothots!! cold beer!!! git em right here....peeeanuts!!! red hots!!! sour patch kids!! raisanettes!!! sodas!!! nachos!! git em right here!!!
and no coupons ya muther neffers!!!
IAteYourMother
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Originally posted by: Arkitech
My wife is 7 months along in her pregnacy and it's so amazing to me to see how new life is developing and growing. Even though the baby is still forming he responds to my voice and my wife's, it's an incredible experience.
Now I realize not every child has the benefit of being born to a pair of loving parents, in some cases babies are born to totally unfit and possibly unstable people. Then there are the cases where some unfortunate women have become the victim of rape and I can totally sympathize with why they feel the need to go for an abortion. But for the most part it seems to me that many people choose abortion because they don't want the responsibility. It's really sad, in fact it's downright heartbreaking because every abortion is taking away the life from a helpless child. Everyone gets up in arms when they hear of child porn, child abuse, molestation and any other atrocity (sp?) commited against kids but why does'nt that type of feeling extend to unborn babies. After all they're the most helpless and have the least means of defending themselves.
I don't want this to degenerate into a flamefest I just felt like stating something I feel strongly about and hopefully sparking some intelligent discussion.
Did your child respond to you in the first 3 months of pregnancy? No, it didn't.
Newborns require support to survive too. How many of them can feed themselves?
I still think 2 years old is a good cut-off point for "abortion" because by then they can at least walk and try to find food. :laugh:
You can also say birth control is murder.
The mother is keeping it alive, she can do whatever she wants. You don't like it? Don't do it.
Oops forgot some:
It's not like abortion is a fail-safe procedure, though.
And if the mother needs a C-section to survive, then she can have that.
It's not like abortion is a fail-safe procedure, though.
And if the mother needs a C-section to survive, then she can have that.
In the first 4 (or whatever many of months it is legal to get an abortion until) the embryo is completely reliant on the physical body of the mother. Nor does it react, respond, talk, etc., so it is not comparable to a 2 year old toddler.
Originally posted by: Arkitech
My wife is 7 months along in her pregnacy and it's so amazing to me to see how new life is developing and growing. Even though the baby is still forming he responds to my voice and my wife's, it's an incredible experience.
Now I realize not every child has the benefit of being born to a pair of loving parents, in some cases babies are born to totally unfit and possibly unstable people. Then there are the cases where some unfortunate women have become the victim of rape and I can totally sympathize with why they feel the need to go for an abortion. But for the most part it seems to me that many people choose abortion because they don't want the responsibility. It's really sad, in fact it's downright heartbreaking because every abortion is taking away the life from a helpless child. Everyone gets up in arms when they hear of child porn, child abuse, molestation and any other atrocity (sp?) commited against kids but why does'nt that type of feeling extend to unborn babies. After all they're the most helpless and have the least means of defending themselves.
I don't want this to degenerate into a flamefest I just felt like stating something I feel strongly about and hopefully sparking some intelligent discussion.
Its too bad that not everyone could feel the same way that you do, as then there probably would not be so many people who carelessly get pregant. However, I support the right to choose and I have to tell you that a hell of a lot of people have no business having children, as a matter of fact I wish that there were more abortions to keep these children from growing up and pertetuating the cycle.
Most of my married friends are now getting to the point that they are having children and my wife and I hope to have one before too long, and I tell you its awesome to see one of my best friends of almost 15 years become a great daddy.
Now I will tell you what it sad, The first few posts in this thread. Its sad to see what this forum has become. A bunch of witty one line responses to anything that might provoke an ounce of thought. Oh, and then you have the zealots who like to argue with each other, like it really matters. Oh, well....
Anyway, congrats to you but keep in mind that you are probably in the top 10% of the most educated, well off, and prosperous people in the world. The rest of the world is light years behind america, and middle america is lightyears behind the rest of us.
Now I will tell you
Originally posted by: Arkitech
My wife is 7 months along in her pregnacy and it's so amazing to me to see how new life is developing and growing. Even though the baby is still forming he responds to my voice and my wife's, it's an incredible experience.
Now I realize not every child has the benefit of being born to a pair of loving parents, in some cases babies are born to totally unfit and possibly unstable people. Then there are the cases where some unfortunate women have become the victim of rape and I can totally sympathize with why they feel the need to go for an abortion. But for the most part it seems to me that many people choose abortion because they don't want the responsibility. It's really sad, in fact it's downright heartbreaking because every abortion is taking away the life from a helpless child. Everyone gets up in arms when they hear of child porn, child abuse, molestation and any other atrocity (sp?) commited against kids but why does'nt that type of feeling extend to unborn babies. After all they're the most helpless and have the least means of defending themselves.
I don't want this to degenerate into a flamefest I just felt like stating something I feel strongly about and hopefully sparking some intelligent discussion.
I'll agree with you that life is amazing, but I'll say I don't see anything but a large emotional argument here. I'll admit myself that I am not a father, but you've got to remember that these arguments such as yours have no place in a rational debate. You didn't really leave much to debate, but I will say that there's a difference between not wanting responsibility and not being able to handle it. The vast majority of women that have abortions are 30 year old white married women, it's not like they're a bunch of sexually irresponsible women spreading their legs all the time.
Its okay not to like abortion, I'll admit that I don't like it either - but that doesn't mean I am going to hold my personal feelings above the rights of women to control her own body.
GTaudiophile
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Oh, so let's cure every STD and legalise abortion...so we can all fvck like rabbits on every street corner. Screw the concept of a relationship.
That is ridiculous. Perhaps some people think like that though. The utmost concern is that of the child whose life is taken away when it is murdered.
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