But that came after deregulation. We used to have Investor owned regulated utilities. It ended about 25 years ago. I still have an electric bill from that period. 700 k of electricity under $9.00. Today from Duke Progress it is about 340. In the late 60's I was gifted 2k of Connecticut Light and Power stock. I still have it. It has changed names several times but I just kept reinvesting dividends It is worth over $125,000 today. Utilities are doing just fine.
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I see the usual liberal blindness here. Conservative thinking is based on moral principles, one of which is that honest people do not need regulations and that conservatives are generous, a fact that can be seen comparing liberal to conservative charity donation rates. And how much better a world would we be living in if everybody felt and acted that way.
Bill Maher Fires Back At Those Who Say His Politics Have Changed, Blames Looney Left Policies
Bill Maher Fires Back At Those Who Say His Politics Have Changed, Blames The Looney Left: "I'm Willing To Call Them Out"
Seems I am not alone in seeing something very unfortunate happening on the left.
Churches are the world's most unpleasant country clubs.
If by any means you are interested in exposing your assumptions to challenge, take a look at the work of Johnathan Haidt. Here is just a random place to start:
You present a principled moral case suggesting liberals are more generous. Here is a moral case that shows how dangerous liberal generosity is:
www.wsj.com
Huh, are you sure you aren't confusing that with the GOP platform for the last 6 years?
You present a principled moral case suggesting liberals are more generous. Here is a moral case that shows how dangerous liberal generosity is:
Opinion | The Left’s Idea of Generosity
Progressives across the West are eager to spend other people’s money on moral vanity projects.
I don't know what the issue is to you, I just know that your post was based on false premises. I think the last seven years illustrates quite clearly that when conservatives said they valued morality they were lying. Also when you said conservatives were more generous that's simply not the case once you cut out them funding their own religions as 'charity'.
The divide is close to 50 50 for many election cycles I have read.
You are still stuck in the same rut. They are moral in their opinion, acting as they believe is proper, and you disagree that is morality. And all the while you can't even credit the evolutionary values of their beliefs.
No, how they behave in practice is not consistent with their own stated views on what constitutes moral behavior.
It is obvious to me that you have never read those studies as studies of charitable giving often discuss this at length as this confound is a very important part of any discussion on the topic. Let me know if you would like examples if you want to actually read them instead of pretend to, haha.
No problem with that. I perfectly understand where you are coming from. But I am also aware in my opinion, that my liberal viewpoint is shallow and that a deeper perspective, one more understanding of how conservatives think, yields insights and perspectives that transform the triggering of contempt. I see a passion for outrage that is based on threat to the ego and fear and I think the reason I do is because where I see it first is in myself. I also think I permit this kind of seeing because I have less self respect to protect, having once lost long ago, my most cherished beliefs. When an explanation was offered to me that I hated myself unconsciously, I had already lost a lot of a need to deny things I didn’t want to see. My opinion.
Moonbeam, if people keep missing your point, you probably aren't articulating it well.
Seriously? The current GOP is the party of "fuck you, I got mine." Democrats push for social reforms for health care, education, etc. Republicans believe that caring bridge and Go Fund Me are acceptable forms of social change.I see the usual liberal blindness here. Conservative thinking is based on moral principles, one of which is that honest people do not need regulations and that conservatives are generous, a fact that can be seen comparing liberal to conservative charity donation rates. And how much better a world would we be living in if everybody felt and acted that way.
Bill Maher Fires Back At Those Who Say His Politics Have Changed, Blames Looney Left Policies
Bill Maher Fires Back At Those Who Say His Politics Have Changed, Blames The Looney Left: "I'm Willing To Call Them Out"
Seems I am not alone in seeing something very unfortunate happening on the left.
Thanks for your post. I provided a link above that I hope will clarify how I am using morality when it comes to political parties. The most important part of what that link expresses in my opinion is what it does not see to see. The authors note that a fundamental difference between conservative and liberal morality is that liberal beliefs rely on a notion that human beings lean toward decent and don't need moral controls so much as with conservatives who see the dark side of humanity and institute societal norms and systems that seek to limit it's expression. Nowhere do they account for this difference whereas to me it is obviously the product of how much as children liberals and conservatives are taught to hate themselves as having within themselves something evil. I think that in great measure you can thank the very systems that were designed by liberals to free them of that affliction that when overrun by people suffering from it, those systems become the source of causing more such delusion of sin.
I see what you are trying to say, but you have to realize that reality isn't that simple. When Swift wrote A Modest Proposal, everyone was horrified. There was a relatively universal belief that we are all in it together. The Republicans are banning books about racism and the holocaust. They are proposing to ban the Islamic faith from the country. They are claiming that its acceptable to allow children to starve in order to teach their parents a lesson. Every liberal should be outraged because this is Nazi level shit. You are feeding into it by calling liberals "triggered." claiming that liberal outrage furthers the Republican narrative diminishes the truth that the Republican policies are inhumane and wrong.
Murder is immoral except in self defense. Then it becomes a virtue. Conservatives are hell bent on never allowing liberals to take from them the right of self defense. You are arguing that self defense is insane when what is insane is their apprehension of threat. Reality is of no relevance to people who live in a state of fear and I am suggesting that your reaction to conservative misplaced sense of values is to blame them as lacking morals. The result is that you become as insane as they are. You see evil in them and they see evil in you. I see only people acting our their moral values as they understand them. Attack the understanding of morality not morality itself. I believe this is a path that does not generate irrational fear, in oneself or the other. There are more in the way of good intentions leading to hell than get there with evil intent.
No, the GOP has radicalized to the point of being dangerous and requires a sober, not a fanatical response. You are just adding impetus to the wheel of Karma. Your options are to respond with reason or with madness. Your way looks like madness to me. It will achieve the opposite result of what is intended. You have it right that real morality is vital but yours is just as fucked up as theirs is when you act out of triggered fear.
