ABBA members infiltrate a Jewish settlement, butcher family, babies

[Freshgeardude]

It's your own bias that's the problem. There are no 'ignoring warnings to freeze' in the stories I posted. You post a false analogy about home invasion and straw men.

Your post is the equivalent of saying, 'why shouldn't OJ have killed his wife - any man whose wife is aiming a gun at his head to murder him has to protect himself'.

really? there are no warnings?

are you there watching over the conflict or are you basing everything on the media and palestinian sympathizing websites.


but lets assume they soldier didnt verbally give warnings.

is a gun pointed in your direction warning enough?



how many suicide bombers have been stopped with this policy? do you know?


you like to believe the soldiers have fun shooting civilians, but guess what, you are terribly wrong or you are a mental case

 

[Freshgeardude]

Some select Brandonb quotes:

"the Jews declared war on Hitler before Hitler ever did anything. The Jews declared war on Germany in 1935".
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2129607

As certain people (like me) have been saying for years. Jews control the USA. No wonder Israel still gets foreign aid, and white and black american's are fighting their wars in the middle east. No wonder the bailout happened. Jewish congress have their loyalties to Jewish bankers.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=234480

We used to throw bagels out on the ice when our high school hockey team played St. Jewish Park (Or was that St. Louis Park, MN?) Where all the Jews in the state seem to reside. Of course we got the typical "antisemitism" speeches by our teachers and school staff but it was fun.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=230639

Illegals are illegals, I don't want criminals in my country, obvious people who don't follow rules, do things by the book, and obviously couldn't make it in their own country. Why would I want them here? I'd take a Nazi over and Illegal any day of the week if I had a choice.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=92470

I hate to say it, but I would not vote for him because of that fact. I seen what the Jewish advisers got us into with Iraq (Wolfowitz anyone?)... I wouldn't want to have one as president. I know I'll be labeled anti-semite, etc blah blah blah. Don't really care, its my honest opinion and I'm gonna say it.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=37511

You are clearly an anti-semite (gasp! he said it!)
Your opinion on anything Israel related is now irrelevant to me.

wow.

its clear Bandonb is anti-jewish and anti-israel

because the "jews run the US" haaha wow.


ignorance at its greatest.


you have actually become more of a moron than LL.

he at least doesnt admit it.

 

[SandEagle]

Reports are coming out stating that it was an Asian foreign worker employed at the settlement.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=212177

Damn Asians dressing like Palestinians

 

[Freshgeardude]

Reports are coming out stating that it was an Asian foreign worker employed at the settlement.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=212177

Damn Asians dressing like Palestinians

those are not reports.

PA-controlled media outlets also highlighted the story and continued to cast doubt about Israeli claims that Palestinians were behind the killings.

essentially the PA are trying divert the attention away.

i'll wait till the free press reports the same and not government news outlets.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

those are not reports.



essentially the PA are trying divert the attention away.

i'll wait till the free press reports the same and not government news outlets.

It's no different than the Israeli sources blaming it on Palestinians without any proof.

 

[RightIsWrong]

ABBA members infiltrate a Jewish settlement, butcher family, babies

If they'd just kept the band together, they wouldn't have to resort to this type of stuff.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets consider the possibility that the Asian guy done because Fogel refused to pay him does indeed turn out to be the correct explanation, would Israel even admit it or rescind the 400 building permits? At this point in time, the rush to judgment a Pal must have done it has reached a certain unstoppable Israeli momentum of its own.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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I will not disagree with senseamp, but the problem with Darwin cleaning up the mess is that its survival of not the fittest, and rather survival of the most well armed vicious.

Which also leads us to understand why Israel does not want to allow Palestinians to even have even rocks and bottles, its the way to insure a fair fight Israeli version. God forbid that
Palestinians achieve parity in arms, them ole piffle, gasp, Israel might have to respect their equal human rights.

Silly me, for the life of me, I cannot understand why one human being can have greater or lesser human rights than another. Must be my defective USA values.

It was the survival of the fittest for 30 years.

Yet the world ignored that situation and conspired to work with the aggressors.

Having the Palestinians with low grade weaponry is helping the Palestinians. Should they upgrade and attack Israel with anything stronger; the Israeli retaliation will make the existing operations of Cast Lead seem like child's play.

The Palestinians are not capable to being responsible with heavy weaponry and to put it in their hands will trigger its use and a proportional response (Israeli style).

Israel is tired of the broken promises by the Arabs and Palestinians to not attack, to want peace, to be willing to be a partner in the Middle East.
The world holds hands when such promises are made toward Israel and ignores it when such have been broken.

When the Arab league is serious about peace; they will have their Palestinian puppets show up at the table and sign an agreement.

 

[Craig234]

really? there are no warnings?

are you there watching over the conflict or are you basing everything on the media and palestinian sympathizing websites.

Yes, you scumbag, there are no warnings in the stories I posted (unless I missed them and you can point them out, which you did not).

YOU made up and posted a LIE that the people in the stories I posted are to blame for being shot because the soldiers ordered them to stop, and they didn't.

Confronted with your LIES, you don't do anything honest and say 'sorry' and admit you lied, you just post 'really?'

That's pretty damned inadequate of a response for your lies about murdered people.

but lets assume they soldier didnt verbally give warnings.

Let's ASSUME? Little late for that. You said they DID with NO BASIS in contradiction of the facts. Now you want to be a weasel replacing your confession with 'let's assume'.

is a gun pointed in your direction warning enough?

The guy I discussed was *rescuing children who had been shot by Israelis*. So no, having a gun pointed in his direction was not warning enough.

But the story makes clear he couldn't see some gun pointed his direction. We're talking a far off hidden sniper.

You lie AGAIN.

how many suicide bombers have been stopped with this policy? do you know?

Yes, if you kill civilians with a free fire policy, you will get any suicide bombers among them. Congrats! Good policy!

Scum.

you like to believe the soldiers have fun shooting civilians, but guess what, you are terribly wrong or you are a mental case

No, I never said they find it fun, you lie AGAIN, scum.

I don't think they find it fun generally (there are always a few sadists, that's not what we're talking about). They were following orders.

You are posting your despicable lie as a straw man to try to find something to attack by lying about my position.

The shooters in the stories I linked have NO information they "have fun".

You can't get away with lying about what happened, so you make this up to argue against instead of the facts.

Unless the first sentence of your next post is that you are are sorry for lying, this discussion is over.

 

[Craig234]

There you go, Craig.

Your edit to 'ABBA members' makes no sense to me, but at least it's nonsensical.

It wasn't what I suggested, which is that the news story is the act, not the suspect yet.

What was your issue with the headline I actually suggested, that you felt the need to change it to ABBA members as the killers?

 

[SamurAchzar]

What was your issue with the headline I actually suggested, that you felt the need to change it to ABBA members as the killers?

Because if we take a serious subject and start acting as retards - such as suggesting a Palestinian did NOT do it - we might as well have some fun

 

[Lemon law]

I am open minded about this ABBA stuff sammy posted, I could be wrong but maybe Sammy meant to blame Abbas and by extension, the Fatah party and the entire Palestinian people.

But Sammy would have to conform or deny that it was a mere typo and he meany to type Abbas.

 

[Lemon law]

Because if we take a serious subject and start acting as retards - such as suggesting a Palestinian did NOT do it - we might as well have some fun

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On that post Sammy, you should be ashamed of your self. Because when there is a crime, there may be a list of logical suspects, but framing someone for the crime of murder should not be anyone's idea of fun. Nothing wrong with thinking some one or some group did it, but it takes careful police work to rule them in or out. Only fools rush to judgment before the facts are in.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Yes, you scumbag, there are no warnings in the stories I posted (unless I missed them and you can point them out, which you did not).

YOU made up and posted a LIE that the people in the stories I posted are to blame for being shot because the soldiers ordered them to stop, and they didn't.

Confronted with your LIES, you don't do anything honest and say 'sorry' and admit you lied, you just post 'really?'

That's pretty damned inadequate of a response for your lies about murdered people.



Let's ASSUME? Little late for that. You said they DID with NO BASIS in contradiction of the facts. Now you want to be a weasel replacing your confession with 'let's assume'.



The guy I discussed was *rescuing children who had been shot by Israelis*. So no, having a gun pointed in his direction was not warning enough.

But the story makes clear he couldn't see some gun pointed his direction. We're talking a far off hidden sniper.

You lie AGAIN.



Yes, if you kill civilians with a free fire policy, you will get any suicide bombers among them. Congrats! Good policy!

Scum.



No, I never said they find it fun, you lie AGAIN, scum.

I don't think they find it fun generally (there are always a few sadists, that's not what we're talking about). They were following orders.

You are posting your despicable lie as a straw man to try to find something to attack by lying about my position.

The shooters in the stories I linked have NO information they "have fun".

You can't get away with lying about what happened, so you make this up to argue against instead of the facts.

Unless the first sentence of your next post is that you are are sorry for lying, this discussion is over.

hold the phone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/30/israel

that article was from 2005. its been 6 years.


that was in GAZA when israel left and Hamas a KNOWN terrorist organization, responsible for hundreds of israeli deaths was taking over.


and you are going to tell me in a war, there arent innocent casualties?


when you post something similar and more recent (like 2009+) i'll listen, because your arguement is that 6 years ago during a violent uprising of hamas overthrowing fatah in gaza when israel completely pulled out, some guy got shot while in the middle of a battle.


and whose to say israel hasnt changed their policy? you are basing your information on 6 years ago

 

[Freshgeardude]

It's no different than the Israeli sources blaming it on Palestinians without any proof.

really?

the free press of israel = government controlled media outlets of the PA??


one thing is to blame a group, the other is to say other are blaming that said group.

 

[Lemon law]

Its really weird that FGD would respond to Craig as follows. "hold the phone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/30/israel

that article was from 2005. its been 6 years.


that was in GAZA when israel left and Hamas a KNOWN terrorist organization, responsible for hundreds of israeli deaths was taking over.


and you are going to tell me in a war, there arent innocent casualties?


when you post something similar and more recent (like 2009+) i'll listen, because your arguement is that 6 years ago during a violent uprising of hamas overthrowing fatah in gaza when israel completely pulled out, some guy got shot while in the middle of a battle.


and whose to say israel hasnt changed their policy? you are basing your information on 6 years ago "

Lets see lets see, FGD and like Israeli fan clubbers cite violent Palestinian Behavior since the time of dirt and then add insult to Injury by blaming 1948 Arab army actions on the largely unarmed Palestinians, yet FGD demands our evaluations of Israeli government policy of Israeli government actions be confined to only the past post 2009 two years.

No one likes hypocrites using double standards, but FGD seems to employ triple standards instead.

My last comment is that Bozo Netanyuhu has painted himself into a corner, it now looks far more likely than not that Palestinians were in no way responsible for the Fogel murders. If the truth comes out, Netanyuhu may destroy not only the last vestige of his own credibility, it may show Israeli government policy in the last two years is no better than Israeli behavior during the last 63 years. And for that matter, Israeli terrorists actions before 1948 when there was no Israeli government to blame.

IN the last six hours or so, I have been researching the credibility that a short changed Thia worker may be the perp, and meanwhile the IDF is engaged in an orgy of destruction and mass arrests of Palestinians, and at the same time, mass arrests of Thia guest workers. In short, and Israeli war crime called collective punishment, defined as a war crime by internationally agreed standards. And to answer the poster who asked if the Israel settler village where the Fogels lived was even Israeli defined legal, that is at a minimum highly dubious. It turns out they built a totally illegal road a few days before and had a long history of murdering Palestinians and destroying Palestinian property.

I will better collect links before I post that into a forum link, but the facts will become more forthcoming from multiple sources in a coming deluge in the near future.

Bozo Netanyuhu went off half cocked again.

 

[Craig234]

Because if we take a serious subject and start acting as retards - such as suggesting a Palestinian did NOT do it - we might as well have some fun

You posted idiocy.

I said IMO the most likely suspect is a Palestinian. You don't get why your headline wrong saying as a matter of fact it was until we have more information.

I can help a reasonable person fix an error, which doesn't help you.

 

[Craig234]

Its really weird that FGD would respond to Craig as follows.

Whatever he said, the 'weird' thing for him to say would have been the truth finally, that he was lying previously. He did not, and that discussion is over.

 

[Craig234]

I am open minded about this ABBA stuff sammy posted, I could be wrong but maybe Sammy meant to blame Abbas and by extension, the Fatah party and the entire Palestinian people.

But Sammy would have to conform or deny that it was a mere typo and he meany to type Abbas.

His (wrong) point is that there's as much chance anyone but a Palestinian did it as that ABBA, the musicians, not Abbas, did it.

He doesn't understand why he's wrong, even if it turns out a Palestinian did it.

Even if a hooded KKK member is found murdered in an alley in Watts, it's wrong for the headline to read, 'Blacks kill KKK member' until there's more information than it's likely.

He doesn't understand his behavior only reflects badly on him (as usual).

 

[Londo_Jowo]

really?

the free press of israel = government controlled media outlets of the PA??


one thing is to blame a group, the other is to say other are blaming that said group.

Right there's no propaganda being spewed by Israeli media outlets. Why is it that the Israeli media outlet was the only one that saw the admission by the terrorist group? Why wasn't it reported by other media outlets.

 

[ThePresence]

Right there's no propaganda being spewed by Israeli media outlets. Why is it that the Israeli media outlet was the only one that saw the admission by the terrorist group? Why wasn't it reported by other media outlets.

From The Guardian, hardly known for pushing an Israeli viewpoint:
The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the armed wing of Fatah, the dominant political faction in the West Bank, said it had carried out the "heroic operation … in response to the fascist occupation against our people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/binyamin-netanyahu-murder-jewish-settlers

From the Washington Post:
The Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, a mostly defunct Palestinian militant group, took responsibility for the killings. It was not clear if the group really was responsible, because it frequently takes credit for attacks it didn’t commit in a bid to raise its profile.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d-as-they-slept/2011/03/12/ABBsXsS_story.html

 

[Londo_Jowo]

From The Guardian, hardly known for pushing an Israeli viewpoint:
The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the armed wing of Fatah, the dominant political faction in the West Bank, said it had carried out the "heroic operation … in response to the fascist occupation against our people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/binyamin-netanyahu-murder-jewish-settlers

From the Washington Post:
The Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, a mostly defunct Palestinian militant group, took responsibility for the killings. It was not clear if the group really was responsible, because it frequently takes credit for attacks it didn’t commit in a bid to raise its profile.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d-as-they-slept/2011/03/12/ABBsXsS_story.html

Wow, they were just parroting what the Jerusalem Post had reported. I've yet to see where the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade is claiming responsibility. I take what the Jerusalem Post report with a grain of salt as they are clearly biased to the Israeli side.

 

[ThePresence]

Wow, they were just parroting what the Jerusalem Post had reported. I've yet to see where the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade is claiming responsibility. I take what the Jerusalem Post report with a grain of salt as they are clearly biased to the Israeli side.

I don't see where they write that the jpost is their source. You know this how?
Dar Al-Hayat originally reported it as well. How's your Arabic?
http://international.daralhayat.com/internationalarticle/243722
Perhaps they were just spreading Israeli propaganda.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I don't see where they write that the jpost is their source. You know this how?
Dar Al-Hayat originally reported it as well. How's your Arabic?
http://international.daralhayat.com/internationalarticle/243785

They were parroting the same exact thing that was reported in JPost and didn't link anything to back up their statements,

I don't read Arabic so that link means nothing.

 

[ThePresence]

They were parroting the same exact thing that was reported in JPost and didn't link anything to back up their statements,

I don't read Arabic so that link means nothing.

I see. So when you read news articles you always look for links for the newspaper to back up it's sources, or you disregard the content and assume they are parroting some other news source. Am I correct? Perhaps the Jerusalem Post was parroting the Washington Post?

You are sounding sillier by the minute.

This is all regardless of the fact that the two newspapers report it completely differently.