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A united korea at the winter olympics

urvile

urvile

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Nothing more than a cynical political stunt?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...c-squad-hockey-game-highlights-deep-divisions

Or something that necessarily cuts out the US? Given trumps child like name calling and warmongering.

EDIT: Every time trump plays the tough guy for his base the south koreans are going to potentially suffer mass civilian casualties so they have to take a a different tack. I understand why they are doing what they are.

Lets just make sure the white man tells them they aren't allowed to resolve this on their own because trumps ego is at stake.
 
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Honestly though. As south korea. You can see why they want to remove the US from the equation with trump as president. They don't need millions of potential civilian deaths thanks to trump diplomatic genius.

Seriously though I hope the koreans reunite. Wouldn't that be great?
 
I doubt the reunification will go well. It is North Korea in power or nothing else. That is the only way for the North's citizens to actually see a victory. So, if reunification does occur you can bet all your savings that the South Korean leadership will mysteriously die from unknown causes.

United States position in the region will only allow for South Korean leadership. China's position is that they don't want an allied state to United States near them. China doesn't really care about North Korea, unless it gets grabbed by South Korea/US.
 
urvile said:
Honestly though. As south korea. You can see why they want to remove the US from the equation with trump as president. They don't need millions of potential civilian deaths thanks to trump diplomatic genius.

Seriously though I hope the koreans reunite. Wouldn't that be great?
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Neither party is interested.
 
cytg111 said:
Screw US, China and Russia. It is about the people and NK and SK opening relations is a bloody good thing.
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No war and bringing the residents of NK up to first world standards while removing the dictatorship government would be a great thing for all of them. China wouldn't have to worry about a refuge crisis either plus it would open the door to freer trade with the companies in SK.
 
urvile said:
Honestly though. As south korea. You can see why they want to remove the US from the equation with trump as president. They don't need millions of potential civilian deaths thanks to trump diplomatic genius.

Seriously though I hope the koreans reunite. Wouldn't that be great?
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South Korea doesn't want all of the poverty and hunger piled on top of their economy. They are much smarter than that. That is the same reason China holds North Korea at arms length.
 
I wonder what measures the North Korean government put in place to prevent its athletes from doing something crazy like defecting

Ideally, the people of the Korean peninsula come to their own resolution. There really is no reason for an American presence there anymore.
 
Exposure to the outside world for NK residents is undoubtedly a good thing. And while it is true NK is in far worse shape than East Germany was, the Koreans are a basically homogeneous people. When the split and Korean War occurred there were many, many refugees and the civilian population shifted around a lot. Nearly everyone in South Korea has relatives up north and vise versa.

It would be silly to assume everything will be solved because of two weeks of Olympics, but this is certainly a good step and far better than the war Trump so desperately wants.
 
The one certainty: any moves toward peace will come in spite of Trump's administration, not because of it (and I know conservatives here are dying to give Trump credit for pushing the Koreas to the negotiating table). It's pretty sad when the country most directly at risk of a belligerent North Korea is friendly toward it while the 'safe' American leadership pretends it's still 1950.
 
Let us see if they want to turn some nice words into better action.

I'd probably start by offering to modernize a few border villages. Allow them access to trade and economy. Let them taste freedom. That'd benefit the North Korean people, but it would dramatically harm the regime and they won't allow that. So what promises and assurances can be made to appease little fat doughnut boy to stop him from slaving, torturing, and killing his people? That's the pickle.

Remember, he developed nukes to maintain slavery and torture. How can anyone help them?
 
DarthKyrie said:
The GDR was no where near as poor as the DPRK is today.
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And German reunification was done quick 'n dirty, with a lot of state businesses sold for firesale prices. There's still a lot of resentment in the former GDR over how it was done.

Lowering tensions is a good thing, of course, but I really doubt an actual unification will happen. How do you combine North Korea, a country that can barely keep its lights on or feed its people, with South Korea, one of the most wired countries on earth?
 
DisarmedDespot said:
And German reunification was done quick 'n dirty, with a lot of state businesses sold for firesale prices. There's still a lot of resentment in the former GDR over how it was done.

Lowering tensions is a good thing, of course, but I really doubt an actual unification will happen. How do you combine North Korea, a country that can barely keep its lights on or feed its people, with South Korea, one of the most wired countries on earth?
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And that right there is the issue facing both South Korea and the PRC, that and the refugees that will be created with a reunification or China annexing the DPRK.
 
urvile said:
Honestly though. As south korea. You can see why they want to remove the US from the equation with trump as president. They don't need millions of potential civilian deaths thanks to trump diplomatic genius.

Seriously though I hope the koreans reunite. Wouldn't that be great?
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The US shouldn't be involved beyond stating complete support for SK. That said, I don't see Kim giving up his control of the DPRK. He's got a pretty sweet deal going on, why give it up? He obviously thinks his people are little more than livestock, so there is no incentive to improve their conditions. What other reason could he have to quit?
 
Commodus said:
The one certainty: any moves toward peace will come in spite of Trump's administration, not because of it (and I know conservatives here are dying to give Trump credit for pushing the Koreas to the negotiating table). It's pretty sad when the country most directly at risk of a belligerent North Korea is friendly toward it while the 'safe' American leadership pretends it's still 1950.
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Trump undeniably set in motion the chain of events that led to the diplomacy exhibited at the Olympics.
Decades of failed diplomacy led to a nuclear North Korea. One year of taking a hardline stance brought North Korea back to the table.

I will concede that this was not due to any strategic brilliance on the part of Trump. As is oft the case, he took a dangerous gamble, but for this one instance, it seems to have led to a positive result.
 
This has nothing to do with Trump. NK has spent decades building up an army to take SK, even at the expense of starving their citizens to death. It's All They Have.

They want the US gone so they can do that, and the longer we let the situation persist, the more we are forced into either vacating SK and giving up on it being taken, or letting NK progress their nuke tech and warhead count before entering into a war that will only be worse.

NK is getting annoyed that Trump isn't playing into their game, that's all. Once Trump has left office the only thing likely to change is that it will be easier for them to increase their nuke production rate.

Nothing speaks louder than NK putting all their money into military, long before Trump came to office and long after he's gone.

It amazes me that some don't see this. If you put all your money on a high stakes gamble, what happens if you don't win?
 
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mindless1 said:
Nothing speaks louder than NK putting all their money into military, long before Trump came to office and long after he's gone.
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Now that is very true as they are consumed with their buildup irrespective of the other consequences. Lil Kim and family don't seem to be suffering from it either do they?
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Trump undeniably set in motion the chain of events that led to the diplomacy exhibited at the Olympics.
Decades of failed diplomacy led to a nuclear North Korea. One year of taking a hardline stance brought North Korea back to the table.

I will concede that this was not due to any strategic brilliance on the part of Trump. As is oft the case, he took a dangerous gamble, but for this one instance, it seems to have led to a positive result.
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It feels like chaos theory in that sense -- a butterfly flapped its wings, Trump got into office, and his clueless, hard-headed approach to politics pushed the Koreas to do something on their own. The problem, of course, is that the planet is stuck with Trump in the aftermath of this fluke.
 
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