A tree falling with no one around to hear it...

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DrPizza

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Only if someone is there to hear it. Do you see the disconnect I am getting at? There is a massive disconnect between two very different things happening. One is a physical vibration or displacement resulting in waves, and the other is an odd experiential phenomenon that happens in a brain. The experience of sound is very different from the physical situation that stimulated it. They are explanatorily isolated from each other, being very different phenomena while at the same time remaining correlative. They are so isolated from one another, that they take place in isolation from each other at all times and by necessity, yet one depends on the other and that's what causes the confusion. The sound is in your head and can't be anywhere else, ever.
I see a disconnect - if someone's there, it makes a sound. You hear *it*. You are apparently referring to sound as a separate entity from the human body.

The wrench doesn't make the sound - according to you, the brain makes the sound. Thus, you've blundered amid your own philosophical nonsense.
 

MongGrel

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The video is both Seinfeld and not Seinfeld until observed, at which point it is Seinfeld. The not Seinfeld is at that point converted to troll threads and dark matter.
Yeah, I've been waiting on the kittie to show up awhile now.

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silicon

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There was no disturbance because you didn't hear anything. Your mind made it up. You don't hear sound when you dream so much as imagine it.
yes a sound is made becuase th eperson is there to hear it. Our sensory organ for hearing is the ear which is comprised of the hammer, anvil and stirrup all which vibrate when excited by pressure waves. this vibration is "translated" by the cochlea and made into electrical impulses which travel via the nerve to receptors in the brain.
 

moonbogg

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There was no disturbance because you didn't hear anything. Your mind made it up. You don't hear sound when you dream so much as imagine it.


Every time you hear something, your mind makes it up anyway whether you are asleep or not. Air waves hit your ears and you hear sounds in your head. Air waves are not floating around in your skull, so what the hell is happening in your head? Its your brain creating something, private to itself, to make sense of the resulting electrical signals that end up at your brain.
Electrical signals have no sound. Air waves have no sound. Nothing has any sound. Instead, your brain is doing some strange stuff to make sense of something. Sound is a biological function. If you aren't there to hear the tree fall, it literally make no sound because sound is a biological function of the brain.