A Tale of two Disasters -- and two Responses

0ptimist

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It's sad, but apparently race and/or religion has played a huge part in media coverage and relief aid from both individuals and governments. Not opening fire at anyone, I just want to create more awareness, please help in any way you can. I apologize in advance if I have offended you in any way.

For those who don't already realize it's at least as worse as tsunami: Google Search for "Bigger than Tsunami"
Earthquake 'more devastating than tsunami', WHO Official, Timesonline Link

(I agree the people are all "donated-out" because of recent previous disasters, but that's not the case with the governments. I'm not judging anyone in particular, and I have not created a poll with crap like "I have donated only one third of what I donated to tsunami victims")

Can you please give these stats to your friends and acquaintances? It'll help create more awareness/shame/guilt, and probably generate some more aid.

Also, I request the active internet users and bloggers to write about it on their blog, post new threads in the "Off-Topic" forums of any site you're active at.

Thanks.



The earthquake left three million people homeless, three times the numbers displaced by the tsunami. The estimate of injured, as doctors painstakingly reach them, stands around 128,000.

From "A tale of two disasters -- and two responses", the NY Times' article
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(In case of the Tsunami) A United Nations emergency appeal to donor governments brought in 80 percent of the $977 million target in three weeks.
By contrast, three weeks after the earthquake, the U.N. had managed to raise just 20 percent of the $550 million it was seeking. The humanitarian relief operation that followed the tsunami was the largest in history, involving military forces from 40 countries. 
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The private sector was similarly big-hearted. In the United States, the tsunami sparked what by some reckonings was the greatest outpouring of charity ever mustered in response to a foreign disaster, from Hollywood celebrities writing million-dollar checks to schoolchildren adopting shattered villages in countries they had barely heard of. Doctors Without Borders was so swamped with donations in the first week after the disaster that it took the unprecedented step of asking people not to send any more money for tsunami relief.

Aid groups working in the earthquake zone do not have that problem. The New York office of Action Against Hunger, for example, had received just $42,000 in earthquake donations within three weeks of the disaster, compared with $475,000 in the same period after the tsunami.


From "When One Tragedy Gets More Sympathy Than Another"
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Private donations by Americans totaled $13.1 million for earthquake victims, according to The Chronicle of Philanthropy. In comparison, Americans doled out $1.3 billion for the tsunami victims and roughly $2 billion for their own after Hurricane Katrina.


PS: Please read some quick facts if you don't realize that it was comparable to tsunami (these are facts, research a little):
[*]Google Search for "Bigger than Tsunami"
[*]Earthquake 'more devastating than tsunami', WHO Official, Timesonline Link
[*]The earthquake left thrice the number of people homeless as compared to tsunami's victims, Link to the NY Times' article (tsunami left more dead than injured, it's the opposite here, it left more injured than dead, and the living injured need more help than the dead). [*]The terrain is more tough, the tsunami victims weren't facing freezing temperatares and snow it is tough to drop aid there (some areas are only accessible by foot, roads are damaged and helicopter drops will just slide downhill). [*]It is not possible to move 5 million homeless people Southwards, to lower altitude areas.
 

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One happened after a string of other disasters, people are 'donated out' so to speak...shove it up your ass.
 

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Originally posted by: So
One happened after a string of other disasters, people are 'donated out' so to speak...shove it up your ass.

with all due respect, please shut your ignorant mouth the hell up. nobody cares how you feel, and they certainly don't want to see your assinine post in a relief thread about helping poor people who are the victims of an earthquake. you should be ashamed of yourself.
 

Specop 007

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How much did they give us for NO? How about 9/11? How about the quakes we've had in cali? how about other hurricanes in Florida?

Thought so. They wont see a damned dime of my money voluntarily, now or ever.
 

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The reason why there is such a huge difference is because everyone gave their money to the tsunami relief and didn't have enough to give for the rest of the natural disasters.

What is REALLY sad is that people in Africa are dying and need more financial support than the rest.
 

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My intent was not to offend anyone, but to create more awareness and more sympathy.

Are the governments also 'donated out'? Didn't read this above?
(In case of the Tsunami) A United Nations emergency appeal to donor governments brought in 80 percent of the $977 million target in three weeks.
By contrast, three weeks after the earthquake, the U.N. had managed to raise just 20 percent of the $550 million it was seeking.

If you don't have anything positive, please keep your flithy mouth shut. Thanks.
 

ThisIsMatt

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There have been quite a few major earthquakes in my lifetime, but only one tsunami that I recall. People are more motivated to donate when they're shocked and awed. I don't think race or religion has anything to do with it.
 

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Originally posted by: So
One happened after a string of other disasters, people are 'donated out' so to speak...shove it up your ass.

with all due respect, please shut your ignorant mouth the hell up. nobody cares how you feel, and they certainly don't want to see your assinine post in a relief thread about helping poor people who are the victims of an earthquake. you should be ashamed of yourself.

I am not even slightly ashamed of myself. I didn't say that the people shouldn't get help, I was criticizing the OP's rediculous claim that the reason less aid went there was racism.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: 0ptimist
My intent was not to offend anyone, but to create more awareness and more sympathy. Are the governments also 'donated out'? Didn't read this above?
(In case of the Tsunami) A United Nations emergency appeal to donor governments brought in 80 percent of the $977 million target in three weeks.
By contrast, three weeks after the earthquake, the U.N. had managed to raise just 20 percent of the $550 million it was seeking.

If you don't have anything positive, please keep your flithy mouth shut. Thanks.


Pot meet kettle. You could have kept it in you rsig. If you make a post trying to drum up sympathy, expect naysayers like me to come in with facts. Such as how little other nations have done to help us. Why should we help them? The "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" only works when if I scratch your back you dont turn around and try to kill me........
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: 0ptimist
My intent was not to offend anyone, but to create more awareness and more sympathy.

Are the governments also 'donated out'? Didn't read this above?
(In case of the Tsunami) A United Nations emergency appeal to donor governments brought in 80 percent of the $977 million target in three weeks.
By contrast, three weeks after the earthquake, the U.N. had managed to raise just 20 percent of the $550 million it was seeking.

If you don't have anything positive, please keep your flithy mouth shut. Thanks.
Yeah, you didn't intend to get a rise out of anybody - what, with your completely one-sided poll and ignorantly brash opening statements and all.
 

OdiN

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Yeah nobody ever really donates money to us.

And I agree...a lot of people are "donated out" so to speak.
 

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i agree that this difference is because of the media attention, but a good number of tsunami victems were muslum right? i don't think it's fair to balme it on religion
 

0ptimist

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Pot meet kettle. You could have kept it in you rsig. If you make a post trying to drum up sympathy, expect naysayers like me to come in with facts. Such as how little other nations have done to help us. Why should we help them? The "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" only works when if I scratch your back you dont turn around and try to kill me........

It's about the size of economy, in tsunami and Katrina people donated from Pakistan's as well, but the whole budget of Pakistan is smaller than the budget of many US corporations, so that amount might have been a big percentage of people's income, it wasn't a sizable contribution compared to the rich countries'.

(No Pakistani was involved in 9/11, and no earthquake victim was involved in 9/11. Please, it's not time for this.)

How about foreign Government's tsunami aid compared with earthquake aid? See the totals above. I dont' want to have a negative argument, please help in any way you can. Thanks.
 

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I donated the same amount to both.

Thank you, I wasn't questioning anyone in specific, I just wanted to create more awareness.
 

0ptimist

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Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
If you don't have anything positive, please keep your flithy mouth shut. Thanks.
Yeah, you didn't intend to get a rise out of anybody - what, with your completely one-sided poll and ignorantly brash opening statements and all.
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I didn't create a poll with answers like "I donated thrice as much to tsunami victims". I'm editing the opening remaks now.
 

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Originally posted by: 0ptimist
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Pot meet kettle. You could have kept it in you rsig. If you make a post trying to drum up sympathy, expect naysayers like me to come in with facts. Such as how little other nations have done to help us. Why should we help them? The "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" only works when if I scratch your back you dont turn around and try to kill me........

It's about the size of economy, in tsunami and Katrina people donated from Pakistan's as well, but the whole budget of Pakistan is smaller than the budget of many US corporations, so that amount might have been a big percentage of people's income, it wasn't a sizable contribution compared to the rich countries'.

(No Pakistani was involved in 9/11, and no earthquake victim was involved in 9/11. Please, it's not time for this.)

How about foreign Government's tsunami aid compared with earthquake aid? See the totals above. I dont' want to have a negative argument, please help in any way you can. Thanks.

I'm tired of being the worlds bank as well as the worlds scapegoat and policeman. Everyone pisses and moans about "Oh the Eeeevil US". But soon as something bad happens, they hold out their hands to us. You dont talk sh1t to me and my country then expect my help. PERIOD.
If they arent American, I wont help them, and quite frankly I have no concern what happens to them.

But you are free to do as you wish. Thats whats really the great thing about our country. You can choose to help, I can choose not to help.

While I do not support your cause, I wish you all the success in it. :)
 

0ptimist

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
I'm tired of being the worlds bank as well as the worlds scapegoat and policeman. Everyone pisses and moans about "Oh the Eeeevil US". But soon as something bad happens, they hold out their hands to us. You dont talk sh1t to me and my country then expect my help. PERIOD.
If they arent American, I wont help them, and quite frankly I have no concern what happens to them.

But you are free to do as you wish. Thats whats really the great thing about our country. You can choose to help, I can choose not to help.

While I do not support your cause, I wish you all the success in it. :)

I hope you support their cause, the victims' cause. I just gave the stats on American people because that's what I found (in direct comparison against tsunami) after some 20 minutes on google search and because majority of the people here are Americans.
 

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Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
i agree that this difference is because of the media attention, but a good number of tsunami victems were muslum right? i don't think it's fair to balme it on religion

Sorry to involve religion and/or race, but that is the bitter reality, here 99% are Muslim victims and Pakistani victims. Probably more than 50% of the tsunami victims were non-Muslims (Thailand, Sri Lanka have 90%+ non-Muslim population, Malaysia has a good ratio of non-Muslims as well).
 
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well i think a lot of it had to do was that Americans had just given A LOT to Katrina aid and no one still knew, and still dont, know how much it will cost in the end to rebuild New Orleans and Mississippi...I know the Red Cross in america was out of money after that and even said if another disaster hit the US they had no clue how they could respond

basically if one of the most costly and devestating hurricane hits your country and wipes out a city, I am not suprised that disaster a month later on the other side of the world didnt get as much money.

the tsunami happened a) on chrismas eve (if im not mistaken) and there were no other disasters of that magnitude around it...plus as sad as it is, people probably are more willing to give during that time

not saying its right, but there is no surprise to me that the earthquake didnt raise as much when Americans had no clue what was going to happen with the New Orleans and Mississippi