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FinalFantasy


in the end, do what makes your life feal meaningful, relgious actions or otherwise.

Others will inspire doubt in what meaning you have found, but what remains important is that you do not stray from what makes you happy.

I myself am not religious although I was as a child, and I have come to realie that, as my sig says, our lives are a quest for meaning, and we strive to have it define what we become.


Realize that whatever choice anyone is liable to make, religious or otherwise, the oppression and beligerence of the truely weak will always be nipping at your feet.


The only truth that I have no doubt in is that the truely honorable, those who deseve the respect and admiration of all mankind, are those who live what they believe, for their joy or for their doom.

Everyday I see people who criticize, who castigate those whocare for their own personal growth, and although it pains me, I will never change m self for them.

That is what gives my life meaning, and,hopefully, it wille be as far as I need to go to achieve true jo.

I don't smile a lot but when I do, I feel as if I could light the entire world out of its darkness

[/personal though]
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster

FinalFantasy


in the end, do what makes your life feal meaningful, relgious actions or otherwise.

Others will inspire doubt in what meaning you have found, but what remains important is that you do not stray from what makes you happy.

I myself am not religious although I was as a child, and I have come to realie that, as my sig says, our lives are a quest for meaning, and we strive to have it define what we become.


Realize that whatever choice anyone is liable to make, religious or otherwise, the oppression and beligerence of the truely weak will always be nipping at your feet.


The only truth that I have no doubt in is that the truely honorable, those who deseve the respect and admiration of all mankind, are those who live what they believe, for their joy or for their doom.

Everyday I see people who criticize, who castigate those whocare for their own personal growth, and although it pains me, I will never change m self for them.

That is what gives my life meaning, and,hopefully, it wille be as far as I need to go to achieve true jo.

I don't smile a lot but when I do, I feel as if I could light the entire world out of its darkness

[/personal though]
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You know I remember in your first posts you posted guides to raping gooses and dolphines and sh!t. Quit defending your baby.
 
Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Oh no, I accepted jesus and turned gay!!!!!!!!! OH TEH NOES!!!!!!
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It's not too late to change your life no matter what you do, who you do or what is going on in your life...God does not disriminate against anyone, but only ask that you follow the Bible and ask for forgiveness.

If a good majority of the world did not follow the teachings of the Bible as they do today, this counrty and this world would have been dead a long time ago. The faith and prayers from "radical christians" are the only things that keep this world alive today.
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Riiight. :roll:

So, to bring over a non-believer, tell me something both tangible and positive that Christianity did that no other religions do.
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I am not converting anyone to any religion...I am simply asking that your ask Christ into your heart and save yourself for a lot of trouble, now and down the road.

You ask me "tell me something both tangible and positive that Christrianity did that no other religions do"

Again, I am not converting anyone to any religiong, BUT it has saved a lot of people from going to hell.
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STFU with your lies. You are trying to convert people. Die in firey hell.
 
ATOT is not the place for evangelism. In fact, no place that I am is a good place for evangelism. You know those guys on the street? I take their flyers and crumple it up in front of them. Maybe it will discourage them, knock some of that jesus out of their hearts or something.

You're just a troll of another sort, even if you don't realize it. You're not wanted here, your message isn't wanted here, your god isn't wanted here. Get the fvck out.
 
Originally posted by: Xionide
Originally posted by: Goosemaster

FinalFantasy


in the end, do what makes your life feal meaningful, relgious actions or otherwise.

Others will inspire doubt in what meaning you have found, but what remains important is that you do not stray from what makes you happy.

I myself am not religious although I was as a child, and I have come to realie that, as my sig says, our lives are a quest for meaning, and we strive to have it define what we become.


Realize that whatever choice anyone is liable to make, religious or otherwise, the oppression and beligerence of the truely weak will always be nipping at your feet.


The only truth that I have no doubt in is that the truely honorable, those who deseve the respect and admiration of all mankind, are those who live what they believe, for their joy or for their doom.

Everyday I see people who criticize, who castigate those whocare for their own personal growth, and although it pains me, I will never change m self for them.

That is what gives my life meaning, and,hopefully, it wille be as far as I need to go to achieve true jo.

I don't smile a lot but when I do, I feel as if I could light the entire world out of its darkness

[/personal though]
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You know I remember in your first posts you posted guides to raping gooses and dolphines and sh!t. Quit defending your baby.
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:Q
 
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: gUEv
well i just found jesus by doing these steps, so everyone complaining needs to stfu kthx
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Just so you know; people who claim to be abducted by aliens believe as strongly in the abduction as you do in whatever you claim you just experienced; and you both have 0 proof that anything happened.

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
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:thumbsup:
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sarcasm overload? 😀
 
Unfortunately, I don't think flaming evangelicals helps much.

Part of the whole psychosis is to believe that the 'saints' will be persecuted for their faith. So, the more people flame the Bible thumpers, the more the Bible thumpers feel validated.

What is ironic to me what that Jesus's message wasn't about spreading a religion. It was about being the most loving person you could be, which would eventually extend to living in a way that would harm none (not even yourself) and make the world a better place. It was a formula for heaven--- on earth. And yet, because people are frequently self-oriented and fearful, His message of peace and brotherhood is mostly used to say "We are going to heaven because we believe in an interpretation that says we are, and everyone else is not!"

We have enough youth already.... how about a Fountain of Smart? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Isla
Unfortunately, I don't think flaming evangelicals helps much.

Part of the whole psychosis is to believe that the 'saints' will be persecuted for their faith. So, the more people flame the Bible thumpers, the more the Bible thumpers feel validated.

What is ironic to me what that Jesus's message wasn't about spreading a religion. It was about being the most loving person you could be, which would eventually extend to living in a way that would harm none (not even yourself) and make the world a better place. It was a formula for heaven--- on earth. And yet, because people are frequently self-oriented and fearful, His message of peace and brotherhood is mostly used to say "We are going to heaven because we believe in an interpretation that says we are, and everyone else is not!"

We have enough youth already.... how about a Fountain of Smart? 😛
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So you think the Evangelicals believe we're just persecuting them to test them?

*picks up baseball bat* How strong's your faith, finalfantasy?

You have to realize that most ATOTers are so anti-religious, they would probably physically harm you over this thread. At least, those of us who love our ATOT, and see you fvcking it up.
 
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: bradruth
*Extends middle finger*
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*extends another middle finger*
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despite your efforts OP, you're still imposing. hell, i'm religious but i know when i know not to do that, cause it only pisses people off. you have achieved just that, gj.
 
The thread is an unapologetic attempt at religious recruitment. Fine, anyone is free to recruit me for their faith (though they're unlikely to be successful).

What bothers me is the thread title - it's deliberately vague, just like 'have you heard the news (Jesus died for you). It seems to me this is a tacit admission that bringing people to your faith requires first tricking them; hardly the way I would want to begin a relationship. It's the same trick used by some Jehovah's Witnesses (most are much more direct and polite these days), recruiters on downtown streets, etc.

And of course it isn't limited to religion, I've been targetted by questionnable campaigns for the military as well, and I'm sure other groups do it, too.

Particularly for religion, since your goal is to introduce people to what you think is "The Truth", perhaps you shouldn't start off by telling them a lie.
 
Originally posted by: Isla
Unfortunately, I don't think flaming evangelicals helps much.

Part of the whole psychosis is to believe that the 'saints' will be persecuted for their faith. So, the more people flame the Bible thumpers, the more the Bible thumpers feel validated.

What is ironic to me what that Jesus's message wasn't about spreading a religion. It was about being the most loving person you could be, which would eventually extend to living in a way that would harm none (not even yourself) and make the world a better place. It was a formula for heaven--- on earth. And yet, because people are frequently self-oriented and fearful, His message of peace and brotherhood is mostly used to say "We are going to heaven because we believe in an interpretation that says we are, and everyone else is not!"

We have enough youth already.... how about a Fountain of Smart? 😛
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Isn't kinda funny that neo-pagan religions generally carry the same basic message that Jesus was trying to spread, and pretty much manages not to be used to hate anyone?
 
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
It's a game...as in FFVII, FFX, FFXI etc etc...sorry it is often confused for what your are thinking I am using it for.
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Yeah, I know what it is. That doesn't change the fact that you should shut the fvck up.
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That's some funny sh|t.
 
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
The thread is an unapologetic attempt at religious recruitment. Fine, anyone is free to recruit me for their faith (though they're unlikely to be successful).

What bothers me is the thread title - it's deliberately vague, just like 'have you heard the news (Jesus died for you). It seems to me this is a tacit admission that bringing people to your faith requires first tricking them; hardly the way I would want to begin a relationship. It's the same trick used by some Jehovah's Witnesses (most are much more direct and polite these days), recruiters on downtown streets, etc.

And of course it isn't limited to religion, I've been targetted by questionnable campaigns for the military as well, and I'm sure other groups do it, too.

Particularly for religion, since your goal is to introduce people to what you think is "The Truth", perhaps you shouldn't start off by telling them a lie.
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mod +1 (insightful)
 
What terrifies me about this thread is that the OP didn't think he was being offensive.

Trust me. That was offensive.
 
I'm non-religious and I hardly found that offensive. Trite, perhaps, but hardly offensive. I've learned to filter out religious propaganda and effectively dismiss those preaching it as "crazy."

Just roll with it.
 
If I was gonna convert to any Christian religion, it'd be Catholicism for the babes in those short skirts. I mean, I'd have a field day. A dark(ish)-skinned Arab? I'm exactly what they'd be after to piss off Mommy and Daddy. 😉
 
Originally posted by: dc
for the thread creator

finalfantasy, the internet(these forums in particular) is not the best place to be evangelizing imho and what you asked of them is a bit much. heh. with the veil of anonymity the internet gives, people take off the gloves of civility and "openmindedness" they usually wear during interactions in the outside world. you can see people's true character throughout this thread when they hear what they don't like or don't agree with, in this case the message of Jesus. they call you names, hurl insults, profane the name of God without second thought, why? because you are not one of them and the suggestion of them needing a saviour offends them. they no longer try to have a levelheaded civil discussion once God or Jesus is mentioned, people of different beliefs, values, and backgrounds that usually don't get along all come together to attack you united.

i know your good intentions in trying so hard to change people, but remember that your job is to plant the seed. God is the one that changes people, do not be discouraged if this ministry does not immediately bear fruit. fight the good fight. 🙂

<flamesuit on>
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Lesson learned, huh? 😉
 
Originally posted by: Isla
Unfortunately, I don't think flaming evangelicals helps much.

Part of the whole psychosis is to believe that the 'saints' will be persecuted for their faith. So, the more people flame the Bible thumpers, the more the Bible thumpers feel validated.

What is ironic to me what that Jesus's message wasn't about spreading a religion. It was about being the most loving person you could be, which would eventually extend to living in a way that would harm none (not even yourself) and make the world a better place. It was a formula for heaven--- on earth. And yet, because people are frequently self-oriented and fearful, His message of peace and brotherhood is mostly used to say "We are going to heaven because we believe in an interpretation that says we are, and everyone else is not!"

We have enough youth already.... how about a Fountain of Smart? 😛
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how nice and unflaming to of used the word psychosis. 🙂

Jesus' message was about spreading the gospel, his message and teachings. and whether people like it or not that includes the teachings of redemption, salvation, and his death and resurrection, which in turn requires faith and not just a scholarly understanding of his teachings. Christians are suppose to loving like you said, but also good witnesses to others so that they may see and come to Christ thru them.
Mathhew 4:19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
Acts 1:8 "... and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Jesus did teach of peace and brotherhood, but he also did teach that he was the only way.
John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "
 
Originally posted by: dc
how nice and unflaming to of used the word psychosis. 🙂

Jesus' message was about spreading the gospel, his message and teachings. and whether people like it or not that includes the teachings of redemption, salvation, and his death and resurrection, which in turn requires faith and not just a scholarly understanding of his teachings. Christians are suppose to loving like you said, but also good witnesses to others so that they may see and come to Christ thru them.
Mathhew 4:19 "Come, follow me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of men."
Acts 1:8 "... and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Jesus did teach of peace and brotherhood, but he also did teach that he was the only way.
John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "
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I think that's the fundamental hold-up for true religious freedom and tolerance in the west. The two major religions both believe that they are the only way to salvation, and neither includes in its teachings the option of 'keep your faith private'. According to Christianity and Islam, spreading the faith and converting others is at least as important as your own belief. Many (for want of a better word) 'casual' Christians who feel a need to 'grow in faith' find the realization that this means active evanglizing quite jarring. Christianity and Islam are peaceful religions; but at their core, they are driven to convert, even if this is framed as saving former non-believers. Sometimes it makes me wonder if truly satisfying, peaceful co-existence is anything but a pipe-dream.

Judaism is a special case (as Jews bear their own burden, and have no imperative to convert others to share this burden), and most eastern religions have no such hangups, being more existential philosophy than religion in our sense of the word. But the major evangelical religions face a serious challenge in a shrinking world, if they are to truly co-exist.

This thread is just a small piece of that - FF is doing what his faith tells him to do; in some ways he doesn't have a choice.
 
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