A sample of how 'hard' teachers have it

[Ausm]

Wow. That sucks! How can you live on two weeks holiday?! The vast majority of people I know get 6 weeks minimum, in the UK it's a legal requirement that you get at least 28 days if you work 5 days a week all year.

I worked 25 years to get 5 weeks off/year.

 

[Nebor]

Wow that's insanity, you guys must take a lot of days off sick.

Most people get around 45 sick days a year in order to compensate for the wait times and expense of our health care system.

 

[HAL9000]

I worked 25 years to get 5 weeks off/year.

D: At my last job I got 6 weeks and I worked there 6 months.

Most people get around 45 sick days a year in order to compensate for the wait times and expense of our health care system.

Wow, also insane.

 

[Ausm]

D: At my last job I got 6 weeks and I worked there 6 months.



Wow, also insane.

Yeah it's awesome that's why our politicians are pushing to raise the retirement age to 70 years...I think I will be pretty burned out since I been working an average of 40-50/week for the last 30+ years and by the time I retire I will be pushing 50 years there.

 

[Balt]

Wow. That sucks! How can you live on two weeks holiday?! The vast majority of people I know get 6 weeks minimum, in the UK it's a legal requirement that you get at least 28 days if you work 5 days a week all year.

Yeah.. and the really sad thing is that taking a few days off really only means that your work piles up if you're in any sort of management kind of position. At least that's the way it goes where I work. Take a few days off, come back and try to catch up for the next week by working 2-4x as hard.

 

[Nebor]

Yeah.. and the really sad thing is that taking a few days off really only means that your work piles up if you're in any sort of management kind of position. At least that's the way it goes where I work. Take a few days off, come back and try to catch up for the next week by working 2-4x as hard.

Or carry a cell phone & laptop everywhere you go on vacation.

 

[HAL9000]

Yeah it's awesome that's why our politicians are pushing to raise the retirement age to 70 years...I think I will be pretty burned out since I been working an average of 40-50/week for the last 30+ years.

Ouch, I am not jealous.

Yeah.. and the really sad thing is that taking a few days off really only means that your work piles up if you're in any sort of management kind of position. At least that's the way it goes where I work. Take a few days off, come back and try to catch up for the next week by working 2-4x as hard.

Yeah I think that's the case everywhere, but when you're in a position to delegate if you can say that you've got two weeks off in a month it gives you time to prepare for it and sort out someone else to do it for you, that's what my managers have always done.

 

[Attic]

The 2 weeks vacation in the USA is BS. One of my biggest gripes. Though it beats what a lot of people in low wage jobs here get, which is one week or nothing.

What is your guys paid holidays?, 10 or less?

 

[HAL9000]

The 2 weeks vacation in the USA is BS. One of my biggest gripes. Though it beats what a lot of people in low wage jobs here get, which is one week or nothing.

What is your guys paid holidays?, 10 or less?

What do you mean? The whole holiday is paid...? 28 days minimum.... I thought we were talking about paid holiday....?

All workers have a right to at least 5.6 weeks’ paid annual leave, but you could receive more than that. Your employer can control some things about your holiday, including when you should take it and whether they include bank holidays in your entitlement.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10029788

 

[alkemyst]

The 2 weeks vacation in the USA is BS. One of my biggest gripes. Though it beats what a lot of people in low wage jobs here get, which is one week or nothing.

What is your guys paid holidays?, 10 or less?

two weeks should be your starting vacation. If you have a real job, you should be able to earn a full month.

Unfortunately even in great positions, sick time/vacation/etc are all rolled into one.

I understand it though, my last company had a 2 week starting that ramped up to a full month by year 5, by year 10 even more. We included 2 personal days always. The kicker was our liberal sick time.

5 sick occurances. Each could be up to 5 days.

We had people taking this year after year plus their full vacation. Fortunately they didn't rape the health insurance benefits they were paying for...usually.

 

[Attic]

What do you mean? The whole holiday is paid...? 28 days minimum.... I thought we were talking about paid holiday....?



http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10029788

I'm considering vacation time off independent from paid holidays (In the USA, labor day, thanksgiving, veterans, ect). For instance my job has 2 weeks paid vacaion and also 10 days paid holidays.

two weeks should be your starting vacation. If you have a real job, you should be able to earn a full month.

Unfortunately even in great positions, sick time/vacation/etc are all rolled into one.

I understand it though, my last company had a 2 week starting that ramped up to a full month by year 5, by year 10 even more. We included 2 personal days always. The kicker was our liberal sick time.

5 sick occurances. Each could be up to 5 days.

We had people taking this year after year plus their full vacation. Fortunately they didn't rape the health insurance benefits they were paying for...usually

My job tops out at 3 weeks, thought it was awesome coming from some previous employers. Yea, that sick time, occurrences, is big. Personally I doubt myself using something like that unless it was real, just comes off as too hostile to my employer otherwise.

 

[mephiston5]

Comparing the relative value and difficulty of one profession to another is a waste of time, as such perceptions are largely subjective and vary from person to person.

Jobs are worth what they pay. Pay is based on market forces. If any job seems like a sweet deal to you, you probably don't know enough about it.

 

[HAL9000]

I'm considering vacation time off independent from paid holidays (In the USA, labor day, thanksgiving, veterans, ect). For instance my job has 2 weeks paid vacaion and also 10 days paid holidays.

Ahh. Over here holiday means vacation. We have 28 days of holidays all in.

 

[alkemyst]

My job tops out at 3 weeks, thought it was awesome coming from some previous employers. Yea, that sick time, occurrences, is big. Personally I doubt myself using something like that unless it was real, just comes off as too hostile to my employer otherwise.

Well the employer did take it hostily...they canned the benefit to 5 sick days and improved the short term disability.

They also canned a few employees that magically only now needed 5 sick days where they were taking 30 prior.

 

[Balt]

two weeks should be your starting vacation. If you have a real job, you should be able to earn a full month.

Unfortunately even in great positions, sick time/vacation/etc are all rolled into one.

I understand it though, my last company had a 2 week starting that ramped up to a full month by year 5, by year 10 even more. We included 2 personal days always. The kicker was our liberal sick time.

5 sick occurances. Each could be up to 5 days.

We had people taking this year after year plus their full vacation. Fortunately they didn't rape the health insurance benefits they were paying for...usually.

My employer will basically let you take 2 days of sick leave in a row, but if you go for more than that you must get a doctor's note. Kinda sucks imo because you can have a case of the flu that lasts longer than 2 days, but there's no real point in going to the doctor for it unless you have some sort of complications.

 

[HAL9000]

My employer will basically let you take 2 days of sick leave in a row, but if you go for more than that you must get a doctor's note. Kinda sucks imo because you can have a case of the flu that lasts longer than 2 days, but there's no real point in going to the doctor for it unless you have some sort of complications.

I always hear this complaint from people, How hard is it to go to a Doctor quickly to get a Doctors note, you're not waisting their time it takes them 3 minutes to do it, wheres the downside?

 

[Balt]

I always hear this complaint from people, How hard is it to go to a Doctor quickly to get a Doctors note, you're not waisting their time it takes them 3 minutes to do it, wheres the downside?

There's really no such thing as a quick trip to the doctor in my experience. In addition to the initial wait to even see one, you're going to get poked and prodded a little bit just so the doc can cover his ass if you happen to die the next day. And then you and the insurance company get to pay for the privilege of being told something you already knew.

I also hate leaving my home when I'm contagious, out of respect for other people.

 

[HAL9000]

There's really no such thing as a quick trip to the doctor in my experience. In addition to the initial wait to even see one, you're going to get poked and prodded a little bit just so the doc can cover his ass if you happen to die the next day.

Really? Over here it's:

9am - Phone up (2 mins)
10am - Appointment (wait in waiting room 4 minutes)
10:04am - Appointment
- "Hi Doctor I have the flu"
- "Let me see, yes you have a temperature, Here's a note"
- 1 minute of typing
10:06am - Leave Doctors.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I get 5 weeks paid vacation and something like 12 sick days per year which roll over.

I just took my 5 weeks all at once. Was fun but I came back to 2000 emails waiting for me. Luckily 1/4 of those at least were junk.

Edit-- on topic. I'd never be a teacher for that shitty wage. They deal with too much shit and I'd probably strangle a kid

 

[MovingTarget]

Really? Over here it's:

9am - Phone up (2 mins)
10am - Appointment (wait in waiting room 4 minutes)
10:04am - Appointment
- "Hi Doctor I have the flu"
- "Let me see, yes you have a temperature, Here's a note"
- 1 minute of typing
10:06am - Leave Doctors.

Ha! We wish our system worked that efficiently. Here's how it typically works in the US.

9am: Phone up. (be put on hold for two minutes)
9:02am: Ask for an appointment for later that day.
9:03am: Begin to calm down after being told "Sorry, we don't have any available until next Friday."
9:10am: Find a local walk-in clinic in the phone book or online.
9:15am: Finally get someone on the phone. Ask if they take Blue Cross/Aetna/Cigna/whatever your employer-provided insurance is.
9:20am: Call another clinic because the last one didn't accept your particular insurance. (repeat as necessary)
10:00am: Arrive at walk-in clinic that accepts your insurance.
10:15am: Finish filling out forms for new patient information.
10:17am: Nurse copies your driver's license and insurance cards for their records.
11:45am: Finally get called by the nurse. At least they got to you before the doctors went on lunch.
12:00pm: Enter the little examination room.
12:05pm: Nurse checks your weight, height, temperature, blood pressure, and then asks what is bothering you.
12:10pm: Doctor enters, listens to your chest, looks at back of throat, in ears, etc. Discusses symptoms with you for all of 30 seconds.
12:12:30pm: You ask for a doctor's note. The doctor scribbles on his pad that you need a note. He writes you a prescription for a strong cough medicine, maybe Tamiflu, and why not throw Viagra in there for good measure?
12:15pm: Back at the front desk. You ask the nurse again about the doctor's note. They print off a generic form and the doctor walks by and signs it in the most illegible chickenscratch known to man.
12:17pm: Nurse asks what your copay is, and you pay it.
2 months later: Receive an angry letter and bill from the doctor's office because your insurance didn't pay. You call the insurance company, who states that the doctor's office didn't file the claim properly. You call the doctor's office, who apologizes and resubmits the bill to the insurance company.
4 months later: Recieve a denial of claim report from the insurance company and a letter threatening to send your account to a collections agency from the doctor's office. Fuck. Call them both. Repeat as necessary until account is settled. Your boss then yells at you because you spend 2 hours of your 45 minute lunch "hour" to deal with that one time you got the flu and had to take off work.

Best medical system in the world, my ass.

 

[Harvey]

Don't need to be an expert of any military to know that we spend too much money on the military. We are not at war. Certain people think we are at war but I think they are paranoid and driven by profit of war. War is the most profitable industry and this profit creates a conflict of interest. War also kills people and should not be influenced by potential financial profit. A lot of the budget is unduly influenced by special interests that profit from war. For example Dick Cheney and his connection to war profits.

Congress says there will be nearly 1 trillion in cuts over the next ten years to the military.

1 trillion out of 7 trillion dollars plan to be cut over the next 10 years.

This is only 14% budget cut.

Our military spending is at the highest since world war 2 yet we are not at war!

And we cannot cut even 14%????

We are at peace so our military spending should be proportional less not the same.

I truly believe we have nothing to fear other than ourselves. We are our own worst enemy.

And that's the problem. You post mountains of irrelevant garbage as if it supports whatever point you think you're making, you have NO knowledge or expertise about anything you're posting, and you can't even post links to rational arguments supporting your uniformed statements. In other words, you spew nothing but your own uninformed, irrelevant "beliefs." :hmm:

Harvey's first law of physics states, "Everything in the universe is made of two things, matter and doesn't matter."

The second law states: "Most of it doesn't matter."

At least you can feel secure that your posts are with the majority on that.

You're opinions and a dollar bill aren't worth the price of a single item in a 99 Cents Store. I won't bother replying to you anymore until you can post facts, not just the unsubstantiated smoke you're blowing out of your ass.

don't question Harvey, only he is allowed to discuss all things military

we spend more money on our military than the rest of the world, combined

Which has what to do with teachers' salaries? That was PJ's topic, and as many have noted, he was trolling as usual.

Your post is as irrelevant as sarsipias1234's. :thumbsdown:

 

[alkemyst]

Really? Over here it's:

9am - Phone up (2 mins)
10am - Appointment (wait in waiting room 4 minutes)
10:04am - Appointment
- "Hi Doctor I have the flu"
- "Let me see, yes you have a temperature, Here's a note"
- 1 minute of typing
10:06am - Leave Doctors.

let's see a video of that.

 

[Fern]

Ha! We wish our system worked that efficiently. Here's how it typically works in the US.

9am: Phone up. (be put on hold for two minutes)
9:02am: Ask for an appointment for later that day.
9:03am: Begin to calm down after being told "Sorry, we don't have any available until next Friday."
9:10am: Find a local walk-in clinic in the phone book or online.
9:15am: Finally get someone on the phone. Ask if they take Blue Cross/Aetna/Cigna/whatever your employer-provided insurance is.
9:20am: Call another clinic because the last one didn't accept your particular insurance. (repeat as necessary)
10:00am: Arrive at walk-in clinic that accepts your insurance.
10:15am: Finish filling out forms for new patient information.
10:17am: Nurse copies your driver's license and insurance cards for their records.
11:45am: Finally get called by the nurse. At least they got to you before the doctors went on lunch.
12:00pm: Enter the little examination room.
12:05pm: Nurse checks your weight, height, temperature, blood pressure, and then asks what is bothering you.
12:10pm: Doctor enters, listens to your chest, looks at back of throat, in ears, etc. Discusses symptoms with you for all of 30 seconds.
12:12:30pm: You ask for a doctor's note. The doctor scribbles on his pad that you need a note. He writes you a prescription for a strong cough medicine, maybe Tamiflu, and why not throw Viagra in there for good measure?
12:15pm: Back at the front desk. You ask the nurse again about the doctor's note. They print off a generic form and the doctor walks by and signs it in the most illegible chickenscratch known to man.
12:17pm: Nurse asks what your copay is, and you pay it.
2 months later: Receive an angry letter and bill from the doctor's office because your insurance didn't pay. You call the insurance company, who states that the doctor's office didn't file the claim properly. You call the doctor's office, who apologizes and resubmits the bill to the insurance company.
4 months later: Recieve a denial of claim report from the insurance company and a letter threatening to send your account to a collections agency from the doctor's office. Fuck. Call them both. Repeat as necessary until account is settled. Your boss then yells at you because you spend 2 hours of your 45 minute lunch "hour" to deal with that one time you got the flu and had to take off work.

Best medical system in the world, my ass.

LOL.

Damn, I hate going to the doctor.

Fern

 

[ProfJohn]

Just a thought before we all get excited about England's time off...

In 2007 Median Household income adjusted for cost of living
US $31,111
UK $25,168

So a few extra weeks of vacation costs them $6000 a year...
BTW this is pre-tax income.

They pay more in taxes, but get free healthcare.
But I would guess that their take home pay is much lower than ours even after we pay for our healthcare insurance.

 

[Ausm]

Ha! We wish our system worked that efficiently. Here's how it typically works in the US.

9am: Phone up. (be put on hold for two minutes)
9:02am: Ask for an appointment for later that day.
9:03am: Begin to calm down after being told "Sorry, we don't have any available until next Friday."
9:10am: Find a local walk-in clinic in the phone book or online.
9:15am: Finally get someone on the phone. Ask if they take Blue Cross/Aetna/Cigna/whatever your employer-provided insurance is.
9:20am: Call another clinic because the last one didn't accept your particular insurance. (repeat as necessary)
10:00am: Arrive at walk-in clinic that accepts your insurance.
10:15am: Finish filling out forms for new patient information.
10:17am: Nurse copies your driver's license and insurance cards for their records.
11:45am: Finally get called by the nurse. At least they got to you before the doctors went on lunch.
12:00pm: Enter the little examination room.
12:05pm: Nurse checks your weight, height, temperature, blood pressure, and then asks what is bothering you.
12:10pm: Doctor enters, listens to your chest, looks at back of throat, in ears, etc. Discusses symptoms with you for all of 30 seconds.
12:12:30pm: You ask for a doctor's note. The doctor scribbles on his pad that you need a note. He writes you a prescription for a strong cough medicine, maybe Tamiflu, and why not throw Viagra in there for good measure?
12:15pm: Back at the front desk. You ask the nurse again about the doctor's note. They print off a generic form and the doctor walks by and signs it in the most illegible chickenscratch known to man.
12:17pm: Nurse asks what your copay is, and you pay it.
2 months later: Receive an angry letter and bill from the doctor's office because your insurance didn't pay. You call the insurance company, who states that the doctor's office didn't file the claim properly. You call the doctor's office, who apologizes and resubmits the bill to the insurance company.
4 months later: Recieve a denial of claim report from the insurance company and a letter threatening to send your account to a collections agency from the doctor's office. Fuck. Call them both. Repeat as necessary until account is settled. Your boss then yells at you because you spend 2 hours of your 45 minute lunch "hour" to deal with that one time you got the flu and had to take off work.

Best medical system in the world, my ass.

Yup this is pretty damn accurate except for the 150 dollar bill you get in the mail the next day unless you need tests run then it is much higher then that.