A Question for you Christians

[Nebor]

What if someone believes everything in the Bible, as in Jesus existed, was the son of God, died for sing, etc. BUT they didn't like Jesus or God because of bad things that happened to them in their life? They consider what God has done to them unforgiveable, and want nothing to do with him, although their belief in him is unwavering.

What's God's take on this?

 

[kogase]

Just ask Satan.

 

[platinumike]

This kind of relates to the story of job. No good deed goes unrewarded, out of all the bad crap that has hapened in your life, God will bless YOU. Its hard but whenever something bad happens and i mean bad like car accident, toes broken,etc. I tell myself that I cannot just keep faith in Jesus when times are good but I must stand with him at times of adversity, and of course if you dont recieve your blessings on earth, you get them in a better place, Heaven.

 

[Nebor]

What I'm saying is, this person believes in Jesus, he just believes that he's a douchebag.

 

[Fenixgoon]

platinum mike has a pretty good response.. it's not just "praise god things are going well" and then "screw god my life turned to $hit"... gotta believe in both good times and bad. and when your time comes, you'll have some explaining to do

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Nebor
What if someone believes everything in the Bible, as in Jesus existed, was the son of God, died for sing, etc. BUT they didn't like Jesus or God because of bad things that happened to them in their life? They consider what God has done to them unforgiveable, and want nothing to do with him, although their belief in him is unwavering.

What's God's take on this?

I don't speak for God....

My understanding: that person has refused to have a relationship with God so when the day of judgement comes, Jesus will say, "I don't know you."

However, I have wondered about this, too, because it's quite different than not believing.

So, ultimately: I don't know.

 

[everman]

If you believed everything in the Bible, how could you believe that God is evil?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nebor
What if someone believes everything in the Bible, as in Jesus existed, was the son of God, died for sing, etc. BUT they didn't like Jesus or God because of bad things that happened to them in their life? They consider what God has done to them unforgiveable, and want nothing to do with him, although their belief in him is unwavering.

What's God's take on this?

If you want God's take on this, read the Bible. This is a question that God takes AN ENTIRE FREAKING BOOK OF THE BIBLE to explain.

Freaking READ THE DAMN BIBLE for yourself and do some of your own theological research and pondering!

...that being said, Nebor is still a handsome man :heart: :lips:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: kogase
Just ask Satan.

yep

 

[Epic Fail]

God is merely testing your faith...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: everman
If you believed everything in the Bible, how could you believe that God is evil?

I think certain family members blow donkey balls, but I don't think they're evil. There's a difference.

 

[Preyhunter]

The question is too general. Did these bad things happen to this person due to poor personal choices? People are given a choice to screw themselves over as bad as they want and God will not interfere with the free will of man. Are these bad things a result of someone else's bad choices? This goes along with the other example where God will not interfere with the free will of man, even if it affects innocent bystanders. Another example may be to test someone's faith by leaving them "unprotected" to an extent, but not to the point where that person couldn't handle it IMO. I suppose you'd have to look at each instance individually, as each could be very different depending on all of the circumstances.

Maybe what I'm saying is that God isn't the one doing these things, but is allowing things to happen.

 

[Preyhunter]

Oops, guess I got stuck on the first question of your post. As far as God's take on not being loved? I'd imagine it makes Him sad.

 

[BatmanNate]

This idea is explored with tongue planted firmly in cheek in Robert Heinlein's novel "Job: A Comedy of Justice." Pick it up some time.

 

[Vic]

The fallacy here is the idea that good/bad things happening to a person are reward/punishment. That ain't the way it is. Deserve got nothing to do with it. It's just all part of the experience.

 

[reverend boltron]

Originally posted by: Nebor
What I'm saying is, this person believes in Jesus, he just believes that he's a douchebag.

I believe that person is going to hell. They're blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They have the understanding of God, yet they are deciding not to follow it. The greatest commandment is to love God, after that, love people. This person believes the scriptures, they believe in Christ, great, so do the demons (James), but they chose death and judgement over salvation. It's sad, and you should PM me so I could pray or talk to this person.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: reverend boltron

Originally posted by: Nebor
What I'm saying is, this person believes in Jesus, he just believes that he's a douchebag.

I believe that person is going to hell. They're blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They have the understanding of God, yet they are deciding not to follow it. The greatest commandment is to love God, after that, love people. This person believes the scriptures, they believe in Christ, great, so do the demons (James), but they chose death and judgement over salvation. It's sad, and you should PM me so I could pray or talk to this person.

Read the thread. It's not stated either way that the guy's following Biblical law or not. He believes in Christ, but he just ... doesn't like the guy. Personality conflict... maybe Jesus was ugly... the guy doesn't like the way Christ pronounced certain words or maybe talked too slow or too fast, who knows.

Assume FTL.

 

[DAGTA]

This question has me wondering why someone has such an opinion of Jesus. Anyone that reads the New Testament sees that Jesus went around helping people, healing people, loving people, preaching peace and love to people for each other, etc. Regardless of what anyone believes, why would someone have strong negative feelings about a person like that?

 

[BatmanNate]

Blaming Jesus for the crap that happens in your life is like blaming Ghandi. You might as well blame the toaster for all of the good it will do you, what is the point of this thread?

 

[reverend boltron]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: reverend boltron

Originally posted by: Nebor
What I'm saying is, this person believes in Jesus, he just believes that he's a douchebag.

I believe that person is going to hell. They're blaspheming the Holy Spirit. They have the understanding of God, yet they are deciding not to follow it. The greatest commandment is to love God, after that, love people. This person believes the scriptures, they believe in Christ, great, so do the demons (James), but they chose death and judgement over salvation. It's sad, and you should PM me so I could pray or talk to this person.

Read the thread. It's not stated either way that the guy's following Biblical law or not. He believes in Christ, but he just ... doesn't like the guy. Personality conflict... maybe Jesus was ugly... the guy doesn't like the way Christ pronounced certain words or maybe talked too slow or too fast, who knows.

Assume FTL.

Yeah, he doesn't love Christ was the point of what I was saying. He knows Him, and he chooses not to accept Him because he thinks He's a d-bag. You can't say that you love God and hate your brother. We're brothers with Christ. And this person is rejecting Christ.

Originally posted by: Nebor
What if someone believes everything in the Bible, as in Jesus existed, was the son of God, died for sing, etc. BUT they didn't like Jesus or God because of bad things that happened to them in their life? They consider what God has done to them unforgiveable, and want nothing to do with him, although their belief in him is unwavering.

What's God's take on this?

Read the first post, FTW.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Actually, the more I think about it, how can you want nothing to do with someone but your belief in them is unwavering?

I must be tired.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
This question has me wondering why someone has such an opinion of Jesus. Anyone that reads the New Testament sees that Jesus went around helping people, healing people, loving people, preaching peace and love to people for each other, etc. Regardless of what anyone believes, why would someone have strong negative feelings about a person like that?

I'll say what I originally said at first, only I'll say it in very small words: Read Job.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Nebor
What I'm saying is, this person believes in Jesus, he just believes that he's a douchebag.

:laugh:

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Vic
The fallacy here is the idea that good/bad things happening to a person are reward/punishment. That ain't the way it is. Deserve got nothing to do with it. It's just all part of the experience.

Yep.

So very many people think this way.

My Dad is one of them. It makes me want to slap him around with a large trout.

 

[reverend boltron]

Originally posted by: Nik
Actually, the more I think about it, how can you want nothing to do with someone but your belief in them is unwavering?

I must be tired.

Satanists man. They know the reality of God, but they choose to serve satan for temporary power on earth. Seriously, there's this book called "Becoming a Vessle of Honor" By Rebecca Brown, MD, you should read it. It's a really easy read, but she lead a bunch of people out of satanic cults and whatnot, and there are tons of crazy stories in it. I don't know how much I really trust everything she writes, and there has been a lot of mud slung at her and all that jazz. But without regard to that, it is a really interesting (read: entertaining) read.