A Question for you Christians

[Janet Reno]

"BUT they didn't like Jesus or God because of bad things that happened to them in their life?"

So they're holding it against God. Effectively, harbouring bitterness.
God will always be God no matter what man wants Him to be. He's love. My suggestion is submit now and live the good life.


"They consider what God has done to them unforgiveable, and want nothing to do with him, although their belief in him is unwavering."

Another attempt at man trying to take away from what God really is.
Man doesn't forgive God, God forgives man. Man is the one who makes the mistakes around here, not God.
Again, God will always be God no matter what man wants Him to be.

 

[reverend boltron]

Originally posted by: Janet Reno
"BUT they didn't like Jesus or God because of bad things that happened to them in their life?"

So they're holding it against God. Effectively, harbouring bitterness.
God will always be God no matter what man wants Him to be. He's love. My suggestion is submit now and live the good life.


"They consider what God has done to them unforgiveable, and want nothing to do with him, although their belief in him is unwavering."

Another attempt at man trying to take away from what God really is.
Man doesn't forgive God, God forgives man. Man is the one who makes the mistakes around here, not God.
Again, God will always be God no matter what man wants Him to be.

Amen to that Janet. That reminds me of a neat little saying, "Man without God is nothing. God without man is still God."

 

[LcarsSystem]

Originally posted by: everman
If you believed everything in the Bible, how could you believe that God is evil?

The whole murdering of the first born isn't enough for you?

JESUS CHRIST! THATS EVIL!:Q

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: everman
If you believed everything in the Bible, how could you believe that God is evil?

The whole murdering of the first born isn't enough for you?

JESUS CHRIST! THATS EVIL!:Q

The argument would be that it isn't murder when you're the Alpha/Omega/whatever and are the one creating the destiny for the whole of mankind.

 

[NGC_604]

Jesus will just challenge him to a PRIDE-style fight and then send him packing to hell.

 

[Janet Reno]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: everman
If you believed everything in the Bible, how could you believe that God is evil?

The whole murdering of the first born isn't enough for you?

JESUS CHRIST! THATS EVIL!:Q

The argument would be that it isn't murder when you're the Alpha/Omega/whatever and are the one creating the destiny for the whole of mankind.

Here's my argument:

Who was murdering the firstborns? Herod made the choice, not God.

Who murdered the people on 9/11? It was people who made the choice, not God.

God gave us freewill here on earth. Otherwise it wouldn't be love that makes man and Him come to know each other.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Janet Reno
Here's my argument:

Who was murdering the firstborns? Herod made the choice, not God.

Who murdered the people on 9/11? It was people who made the choice, not God.

God gave us freewill here on earth. Otherwise it wouldn't be love that makes man and Him come to know each other.

I was thinking of Pharoah's plagues, but I agree with what you're saying.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Janet Reno

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: LcarsSystem

Originally posted by: everman
If you believed everything in the Bible, how could you believe that God is evil?

The whole murdering of the first born isn't enough for you?

JESUS CHRIST! THATS EVIL!:Q

The argument would be that it isn't murder when you're the Alpha/Omega/whatever and are the one creating the destiny for the whole of mankind.

Here's my argument:

Who was murdering the firstborns? Herod made the choice, not God.

Who murdered the people on 9/11? It was people who made the choice, not God.

God gave us freewill here on earth. Otherwise it wouldn't be love that makes man and Him come to know each other.

They're referring to the plague of the firstborn brought upon the egyptian people.

 

[Nebor]

Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

my head asplode

 

[McGyver]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

*mimicing purduery* <---- totally genius!!!

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: kogase
Just ask Satan.

Why? Satan does God's dirty work.........................God creates/ created all things good and evil.....

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: McGyver

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

*mimicing purduery* <---- totally genius!!!

No, see, he posted "..." in your thread because he was confused why you posted a new thread about a well-established, on-going thread about the same subject. You, however, are just being a trolling douche bag.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

I'm not sure I follow your faulty logic. Suppose inside of hitting you several times with lightning, God had you born into a poor village where you all-too-slowly died of malnutrition at the age of 5. How pissed should one be at God then? Instead, God provided you with the opportunity to survive the experience of getting hit by lightning 7 times. That's pretty fscking incredible if you ask me.

Like I posted before, deserve got nothing to with it. Neither does malice. God isn't smacking you around, that's just your experience. If you must insist on dualism, contrast that with having no experience at all, which (according to religion) is all you would have had without God.

Really... I do not call myself a Christian, but if you're going to argue religion, you really should bother picking up a Bible once in your life and educating yourself on the issues involved.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: kogase
Just ask Satan.

Why? Satan does God's dirty work.........................God creates/ created all things good and evil.....

Agreed. However, on the subject of "dirty work" and good and evil... if life did not exist, would good and evil exist?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

I'm not sure I follow your faulty logic. Suppose inside of hitting you several times with lightning, God had you born into a poor village where you all-too-slowly died of malnutrition at the age of 5. How pissed should one be at God then? Instead, God provided you with the opportunity to survive the experience of getting hit by lightning 7 times. That's pretty fscking incredible if you ask me.

Like I posted before, deserve got nothing to with it. Neither does malice. God isn't smacking you around, that's just your experience. If you must insist on dualism, contrast that with having no experience at all, which (according to religion) is all you would have had without God.

Really... I do not call myself a Christian, but if you're going to argue religion, you really should bother picking up a Bible once in your life and educating yourself on the issues involved.

Are you kidding me? Alright, how about I shoot you 7 times, non-lethally. Would you thank me for the opportunity to experience that? Surely you wouldn't thank God, because he has no influence on my actions, I act of my own free will. So I would be the one blessing you with gunfire.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: kogase
Just ask Satan.

Why? Satan does God's dirty work.........................God creates/ created all things good and evil.....

Agreed. However, on the subject of "dirty work" and good and evil... if life did not exist, would good and evil exist?

Are we counting spiritual forms?

Even if we aren't I think both good and evil would exist at least in the the creator..........even if it was the universe itself.

Is it all perception? Maybe......

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

To that I would say:

I don't agree with hating God but I understand why you feel that way.

 

[Nebor]

As far as me reading the Bible, that's a no go. I read it as a kid (southern baptist church.)

As far as I'm concerned, religion is one of the great evils to come over mankind. It causes them to maim and kill each other in the name of imaginary gods, and it never ends.

I would sooner date someone who smokes crack than goes to Church every Sunday. At least people occasionally quit smoking crack.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

To that I would say:

I don't agree with hating God but I understand why you feel that way.

Now if I blow up a few of his houses, would that be fair? Could we call it even?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

I'm not sure I follow your faulty logic. Suppose inside of hitting you several times with lightning, God had you born into a poor village where you all-too-slowly died of malnutrition at the age of 5. How pissed should one be at God then? Instead, God provided you with the opportunity to survive the experience of getting hit by lightning 7 times. That's pretty fscking incredible if you ask me.

Like I posted before, deserve got nothing to with it. Neither does malice. God isn't smacking you around, that's just your experience. If you must insist on dualism, contrast that with having no experience at all, which (according to religion) is all you would have had without God.

Really... I do not call myself a Christian, but if you're going to argue religion, you really should bother picking up a Bible once in your life and educating yourself on the issues involved.

Are you kidding me? Alright, how about I shoot you 7 times, non-lethally. Would you thank me for the opportunity to experience that? Surely you wouldn't thank God, because he has no influence on my actions, I act of my own free will. So I would be the one blessing you with gunfire.

Not the same, but it is somewhat relevant:

On friday I was in a car accident. I was hit in the passenger side and knocked into on-coming trafic in Phoenix during rush hour. Thankfully, there was a gap in traffic and I hit no other cars. I walked away.

I was smiling most of the weekend. A friend said to me, "Dude, I can't believe you're smiling. You just had your car wrecked and could have died!" I said, "that's why I'm smiling. I was in a serious wreck and I walked away without a broken bone or cut."

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Are you kidding me? Alright, how about I shoot you 7 times, non-lethally. Would you thank me for the opportunity to experience that? Surely you wouldn't thank God, because he has no influence on my actions, I act of my own free will. So I would be the one blessing you with gunfire.

I wouldn't thank you for shooting me, no. Why would I do that? I wouldn't thakn god because he wasn't the one pulling the trigger. Vic's making the point that you'd thank god for allowing you to survive those shots. He's making the point that just because you got hit by lightning doesn't mean that God's up there shooting lightning bolts out his finger at your ass. You got hit by lightning? "OMG IT'S GOD'S FAULT HE'S DOING IT ON PURPOSE" is the dumbest thing you can think. Ever.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

To that I would say:

I don't agree with hating God but I understand why you feel that way.

Now if I blow up a few of his houses, would that be fair? Could we call it even?

No. You'd likely be harming others (directly or indirectly)... people that had no part in you being struck by lightning.

Even if you didn't harm others, it's still not 'even' because we are limited creatures that cannot understand the universe in the way God understands. There may be reasons for the lightning that God knows but we don't. Perhaps you'll find out one day but then you can't go back and un-do the destruction you caused when you were angry in your ignorance.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright guys, let's say that the reason you don't like God\Jesus is because you've been struck by lightning 7 times. Clearly God smackin' you around. That's why you think he's a jerk, and don't want to worship him, yet clearly, you maintain your belief in him, because he hit you several times with lightning.

I'm not sure I follow your faulty logic. Suppose inside of hitting you several times with lightning, God had you born into a poor village where you all-too-slowly died of malnutrition at the age of 5. How pissed should one be at God then? Instead, God provided you with the opportunity to survive the experience of getting hit by lightning 7 times. That's pretty fscking incredible if you ask me.

Like I posted before, deserve got nothing to with it. Neither does malice. God isn't smacking you around, that's just your experience. If you must insist on dualism, contrast that with having no experience at all, which (according to religion) is all you would have had without God.

Really... I do not call myself a Christian, but if you're going to argue religion, you really should bother picking up a Bible once in your life and educating yourself on the issues involved.

Are you kidding me? Alright, how about I shoot you 7 times, non-lethally. Would you thank me for the opportunity to experience that? Surely you wouldn't thank God, because he has no influence on my actions, I act of my own free will. So I would be the one blessing you with gunfire.

You are confused. God is not your daddy who beat you when you were a child. Nor is He any other human being or the representation of any human being. God is the totality of life itself. To hate Him is to hate your own existence. Note that most people who do hate God also hate their own existence. Nor is believing in Him and hating Him something new. It's even mentioned in the Bible (James 2:19).

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Nebor
As far as me reading the Bible, that's a no go. I read it as a kid (southern baptist church.)

As far as I'm concerned, religion is one of the great evils to come over mankind. It causes them to maim and kill each other in the name of imaginary gods, and it never ends.

I would sooner date someone who smokes crack than goes to Church every Sunday. At least people occasionally quit smoking crack.

I don't see why you say that. Based on the mysticism you've expressed here by believing that an inanimate intangible concept is capable of assuming a human quality like being evil, I'd say you are already well on your way to being a very religious person. Or just really, really fsckin' stupid like a crack smoker.

edit: sorry to be so harsh... but really... consider what you posted here. Only living beings are capable of good and evil. Not concepts.