DangerAardvark
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Seems to me you've got two conflicting characteristics: your homosexuality and your Catholicism. One of those can be renounced.
TehMac
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If you studied history you'd realize that one of the reasons there is a modern world was because the reformation took place. :roll:
Ironwing Ignorance Strikes Again. Keep it up and I'm going to have to make it into an acronym.
You must be one of those ultra conservatives if you think homosexuality can srsly be renounced. :Q
skulkingghost
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Being homosexual is not against the catholic church, but the ACT of homosexuality is (ex/sodomy, anything that happens between a man and wife, etc.) So if you are a homosexual, but not living in sin its ok. However, if you are you have a whole diffent rule set, and you can pretty much work your way down the list of the ten commandments.
However, while its never good to shoot for purgatory, I believe in a fair and just God, who I don't believe would eternally damn someone simply due to their sexual preference.
However according to an online concordance:
Four other sins are considered grave also. These sins not only offend God, but men as well. Thus these four sins are called "the sins that cry to heaven for vengeance" and are likewise mortal sins. These grave sins are:
* The voluntary murder (Genesis 4:10)
* The sin of impurity against nature ?Sodomy and homosexual relations (Genesis 18:20)
* Taking advantage of the poor (Exodus 2:23)
* Defrauding the workingman of his wages (James 5:4)
However, while its never good to shoot for purgatory, I believe in a fair and just God, who I don't believe would eternally damn someone simply due to their sexual preference.
However according to an online concordance:
Four other sins are considered grave also. These sins not only offend God, but men as well. Thus these four sins are called "the sins that cry to heaven for vengeance" and are likewise mortal sins. These grave sins are:
* The voluntary murder (Genesis 4:10)
* The sin of impurity against nature ?Sodomy and homosexual relations (Genesis 18:20)
* Taking advantage of the poor (Exodus 2:23)
* Defrauding the workingman of his wages (James 5:4)
NikolaeVarius
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This is the same god that said that it was fine for a Israeli man to be stoned because he was gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
And the same guy who told Moses to kill all the heathens and rape their virgin women.
I doubt that he would hesitate to reject Gay's from heaven.
TehMac
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That's funny, because only bigots like you simply gloss over everything else protestants launched, such as the Scientific Revolution, the Agricultural Revolution, and even the Political Revolution.
But no, that conflicts with poor Mr. Bigot and his skewed view on history. :roll:
If anyone is under the influence of propaganda, its yourself.
shiner
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Originally posted by: TehMac
That's funny, because only bigots like you simply gloss over everything else protestants launched, such as the Scientific Revolution, the Agricultural Revolution, and even the Political Revolution.
But no, that conflicts with poor Mr. Bigot and his skewed view on history. :roll:
If anyone is under the influence of propaganda, its yourself.
Don't forget Jonestown and Waco.
I'm not Catholic and never have been Catholic.
I just like the idea of a mini-hell that's temporary.
I mean, it's too much to ask that the way I was born not be damned and cursed and result in burning hellfire. So, I settle, and ask for just mid-range levels of hellfire for a temporary basis. Kinda like minimum security prison with a short sentence as opposed to super-max.
This, or I suppose I could hope for regime change. Although that uppity Lucifer didn't do so well last revolt, or so I hear.
It certainly would be easier to be an atheist......
I just like the idea of a mini-hell that's temporary.
I mean, it's too much to ask that the way I was born not be damned and cursed and result in burning hellfire. So, I settle, and ask for just mid-range levels of hellfire for a temporary basis. Kinda like minimum security prison with a short sentence as opposed to super-max.
This, or I suppose I could hope for regime change. Although that uppity Lucifer didn't do so well last revolt, or so I hear.
It certainly would be easier to be an atheist......
Limbo is not Purgatory (from above - the Pope argued against the existence of Limbo for the unbaptized, not the existence of Purgatory for the purification of the faithfully departed). The Church doesn't teach that there's necessary an actual place or state called Purgatory, but there has to be a way to cleanse and perfect the soul after death but before entering Heaven, and this concept is what is called Purgatory.
AMD, the Church teaches that acting on homosexual impulses (just as with any sexual impulse) is a sin outside of the Sacrament of Matrimony.
It also teaches that those that are ignorant of God's will (ie, those that aren't Catholic, have reasonable doubts, or were never fully taught about what the Church teaches) are not held to the same level of expectations by God. However, if you are fully aware of the Catholic Church's teaching on homosexuality (which it doesn't sound like is the case) and fully believe in Christ, and that the Catholic Church is the authoritative body founded by Jesus and continued by the Holy Spirit working through the Apostles and the Faithful since his death and resurrection - in other words, if you believe that what you're doing is wrong, contrary to God's will - but you choose to capitulate and continue to live as you wish, then there is doubt that your soul is in good shape, if you'll that being said.
And before bowing out of the conversation, I'll simply say that you should do your best not to believe what you want to, but to believe what you believe is True - and do your best to act according to that. The former is moral laziness - the latter is rather courageous, in my opinion - even if it's not a Catholic belief that you find yourself believing.
AMD, the Church teaches that acting on homosexual impulses (just as with any sexual impulse) is a sin outside of the Sacrament of Matrimony.
It also teaches that those that are ignorant of God's will (ie, those that aren't Catholic, have reasonable doubts, or were never fully taught about what the Church teaches) are not held to the same level of expectations by God. However, if you are fully aware of the Catholic Church's teaching on homosexuality (which it doesn't sound like is the case) and fully believe in Christ, and that the Catholic Church is the authoritative body founded by Jesus and continued by the Holy Spirit working through the Apostles and the Faithful since his death and resurrection - in other words, if you believe that what you're doing is wrong, contrary to God's will - but you choose to capitulate and continue to live as you wish, then there is doubt that your soul is in good shape, if you'll that being said.
And before bowing out of the conversation, I'll simply say that you should do your best not to believe what you want to, but to believe what you believe is True - and do your best to act according to that. The former is moral laziness - the latter is rather courageous, in my opinion - even if it's not a Catholic belief that you find yourself believing.
IronWing
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Originally posted by: TehMac
That's funny, because only bigots like you simply gloss over everything else protestants launched, such as the Scientific Revolution, the Agricultural Revolution, and even the Political Revolution.
But no, that conflicts with poor Mr. Bigot and his skewed view on history. :roll:
If anyone is under the influence of propaganda, its yourself.
Now you just need to show that the "Scientific Revolution, the Agricultural Revolution, and even the Political Revolution" were the inherent results of Protestantism.
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