A question for catholics.

[amdforever2]

So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

 

[TBone48]

You can avoid the whole purgatory conundrum by being Protestant instead!


edit: sorry, I spaced on the "for Catholics" part. No disrespect intended.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

I know people like this exist but it's still mind blowing.

 

[BigJ]

From my limited knowledge of homosexuality pertaining to the church, as long as you truly seek forgiveness for your sins and repent, it's cool.

 

[TBone48]

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

I know people like this exist but it's still mind blowing.

But why can't a homosexual still believe in God?

 

[amdforever2]

With protestant denominations my choices are celibacy or hellfire,

but it seems like with catholicism I can not fight a hopeless battle against impulse and get a somewhat good deal.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: TBone48

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

I know people like this exist but it's still mind blowing.

But why can't a homosexual still believe in God?

Isn't it an "abomination" or some shit?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: BigJ
From my limited knowledge of homosexuality pertaining to the church, as long as you truly seek forgiveness for your sins and repent, it's cool.

So if you turn straight, all's forgiven?

 

[amdforever2]

Abomination?

Leviticus is a lame book anyways.

Right after 20:13 we get such gems as "bang a ho on her period and ye shall be set ablaze" and some stuff about planting corn and beans in the same field.

 

[TBone48]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
With protestant denominations my choices are celibacy or hellfire,

but it seems like with catholicism I can not fight a hopeless battle against impulse and get a somewhat good deal.

Sounds like hedging your bets. What if Catholic is wrong? Then you burn anyway. I don't think you can scam God,if you truly believe in Him.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: BigJ
From my limited knowledge of homosexuality pertaining to the church, as long as you truly seek forgiveness for your sins and repent, it's cool.

So if you turn straight, all's forgiven?

I'd assume it would be, if it is possible to "turn straight." My understanding is that it is not inherently wrong according to the church to be a homosexual, but it is wrong to act on your desires as a homosexual.

Like I said, my knowledge is limited and I don't know the official stance of the Roman Catholic Church regarding just being homosexual and not acting on your desires. I do know that if you truly wish to be forgiven for your sins, that makes up for a heck of a lot in the eyes of the Church. In religion class, they really didn't get into what happens to you if you're a homosexual.

I haven't touched Catholicism in almost a decade, so my knowledge is a bit rusty and I'm not religious.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

I left the Catholic church at age 12, decades ago. What I remember is that sins were classified either venal or mortal, mortal being worse than venal.

If you died with unconfessed venal sins on your soul, you went to purgatory, which was a temporary way station on your way to heaven. There, you burned them off.

But if you died with Mortal sins on your soul, you got a one-way ticket to Hell.

An example of a venal sin would be taking the Lord's name in vain (cursing). Murder would be an example of a Mortal sin.

As a 12 year old, I don't remember our catechism classifying, or even mentioning, gay sex, so I don't know what the formal Catholic stance on "Paul doing Peters" is.

 

[CycloWizard]

The actual Catholic teaching is that any sex (gay, straight, or otherwise) outside of marriage is a "mortal" sin and leads to damnation in the absense of confession.

 

[amdforever2]

ok so confession gets rid of mortal sins?

That's wayyyy too easy.



Then through confession of a mortal sin even purgatory can be bypassed?

 

[Cogman]

If you want to join a religion that makes you feel good about yourself without you having to make any lifestyle changes, then I suggest some born again denomination or budizm.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

I know people like this exist but it's still mind blowing.

Yep, it's a puzzler.

For the OP, were you born gay or did you choose it? If you were born gay how do you rationalize that against a religion that claims that it's a choice, that god doesn't create gay people and that god hates you? That's a valid question. You have your own nature telling you one thing and a book telling you the complete opposite. Why have you chosen to believe the book?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
ok so confession gets rid of mortal sins?

That's wayyyy too easy.



Then through confession of a mortal sin even purgatory can be bypassed?

Confession can get rid of mortal sins, but only in certain cases. You cannot just walk into the booth, read off a list you typed up in Notepad the night before, say a few Our Fathers and be on your way. You have to actually be sorry for committing the sins and seek forgiveness from God.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Abomination?

Leviticus is a lame book anyways.

Right after 20:13 we get such gems as "bang a ho on her period and ye shall be set ablaze" and some stuff about planting corn and beans in the same field.

Shit... now I have to go to confession that laughed at that.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
ok so confession gets rid of mortal sins?

That's wayyyy too easy.



Then through confession of a mortal sin even purgatory can be bypassed?

But what if you forget one! :Q

 

[amdforever2]

I was raised believing in god. A sudden desire for cawk developing around 12-13 unfortunately doesn't change that.

I'm not so much wanting a feel good religion as I'm looking for a way to reconcile the facts of who i am with religion and not wanting to go to hell.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
With angry, primitive, fundamentalist protestant denominations my choices are celibacy or hellfire,

but it seems like with catholicism I can not fight a hopeless battle against impulse and get a somewhat good deal.

Fixed for protestantism. There are several protestant denominations in America who now accept gay and lesbians into their active clergy. So, not only would you NOT be going to hell, you could be an entire congregation's decider, while possibly getting to dress openly in fabulous flowing robes as well!

As for Catholicism, you may still be looking at the wrong end of an eternal burning, bub.

 

[sadffffff]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
ok so confession gets rid of mortal sins?

That's wayyyy too easy.



Then through confession of a mortal sin even purgatory can be bypassed?

youre supposed to be truely remorsefull and try to stop repeating the sin. which would mean you're probably not supposed to be a practicing homosexual.

i know a priest that's openly gay, non practicing obviously.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
So from my intense study of theology via wikipedia, it's my understanding that if you're a moderate sinner as opposed to deadly sinner, you go to purgatory right?

Since I'm a homo, yet somewhat not a fan of the heat, I'd rather not burn in hell.

Is homosexuality a deadly sin or a slap on the wrist make up for it in purgatory sin?



It's a serious question. Despite being gay I do believe in god.

From my limited understanding of things,you won't go to hell for your sexual orientation.. you would however not be in a state of grace if you are not following the church's teaching regarding sex.. sex being reserved only for couple's married in the church. If you're sexually active,unmarried and not actively repenting..etc.

 

[jjones]

It's not a mortal sin. You'll burn, just not eternally.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
I was raised believing in god. A sudden desire for cawk developing around 12-13 unfortunately doesn't change that.

I'm not so much wanting a feel good religion as I'm looking for a way to reconcile the facts of who i am with religion and not wanting to go to hell.

Well then, really you are looking for a feel good religion. Most treat homosexuality as a very serious sin. If you want, you can ignore that and choose the religion you like best but ultimately unless you are going to go through some major lifestyle changes you are screwed (by most religions standards).

Now if you are looking for one that allows for your lifestyle then you really are looking for a feel good religion, something that justifies your actions now while promising comfort in the afterlife. You really aren't going to find a "Gay is Ok and watch out for these sins" sort of religion because in my experience none like that exists (I could be dead wrong, there are 1000s of religions out there)

Heres the clincher, I don't see how the religion you follow now is going to somehow negate what is right and what is wrong. If that is the case, then we might as well all be atheists. I myself can't see god saying "Well shoot, because you where a catholic and gay, your screwed, but that gay born again over there is just fine because he said he was a born again" How fair would that be?

If you find a religion that you really like and believe to be true, I recommend you stick with it and accept the consequences of what is considered a sin or not. If you can't find one, then make your own Gay Catholics religion.