A public High School trying to ban blue jeans

[Gravity]

Interesting comparison to the british concerns about scantily clad teachers!

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

Bullsh!t, that would be the Government telling others how they should dress. It's be no different that Red China in the 60's forcing all their citizens to wear Mao jacket and pants.

Did you know Japanese school children go to pre school and kindergen butt naked? They consider clothes a distraction.

They also have the most educated populace in the world, go figure.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Gravity
Interesting comparison to the british concerns about scantily clad teachers!

Scantily clad teachers is something I could get behind! 🙂 Really!

 

[rartech]

Anybody who has a 13 year old girl in middle school would vote for the uniforms. We try to make sure our 13 year old dressed appropriately, but sometimes she would sneak out with either a skirt that was too short or pajama pants and a shirt that was, IMO, two sizes too small. Needless to say my wife got a few calls from the school to either bring other clothes for her or pick her up. She also would change clothes at school with stuff her friends would bring in for her. The worst time was when she wore a short (and I mean SHORT) skirt and thong underwear! She wasn't allowed to wear the thong underwear but had gotten them from her friends at school. She was basically putting on a free peep show for anybody at the school. She acted all dumb about it when we caught her, like she didn't realize anybody could see anything. It's all about trying to look "sexy" (I call it sleazy) and have all the boys wanting them. It really has become a distraction.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: rartech
Anybody who has a 13 year old girl in middle school would vote for the uniforms. We try to make sure our 13 year old dressed appropriately, but sometimes she would sneak out with either a skirt that was too short or pajama pants and a shirt that was, IMO, two sizes too small. Needless to say my wife got a few calls from the school to either bring other clothes for her or pick her up. She also would change clothes at school with stuff her friends would bring in for her. The worst time was when she wore a short (and I mean SHORT) skirt and thong underwear! She wasn't allowed to wear the thong underwear but had gotten them from her friends at school. She was basically putting on a free peep show for anybody at the school. She acted all dumb about it when we caught her, like she didn't realize anybody could see anything. It's all about trying to look "sexy" (I call it sleazy) and have all the boys wanting them. It really has become a distraction.

Only thirteen huh? Man you are going to have a difficult next 5 years!

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Usually because Parents buy most of the kids clothes. I
went to school back in the late 60's when the Political Climate as very similar to what it is today with uptight Fundies trying to force their will oin others. What happened was that the kids rebelled and became very extreme in their politics and appearances. I believe that the same thing will happen if the Fundies keep on pushing their puritanical values on those who don't buy into their monolithic BS.

:thumbsup: History always repeats itself. :beer:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Usually because Parents buy most of the kids clothes. I
went to school back in the late 60's when the Political Climate as very similar to what it is today with uptight Fundies trying to force their will oin others. What happened was that the kids rebelled and became very extreme in their politics and appearances. I believe that the same thing will happen if the Fundies keep on pushing their puritanical values on those who don't buy into their monolithic BS.

:thumbsup: History always repeats itself. :beer:

Yup, and we got the right wing revolt because the left was having to much fun having sex. There will be no joy till you get to heaven where you can play a harp.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Topic Title: A public High School trying to ban blue jeans
Topic Summary: Should they be allowed to restrict clothing?

Many schools have uniforms.

Starting this year, Teachers in Louisiana have to wear uniforms as well.

It's 1930's all over again.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck them, let the parents decide what kind of clothes they are going to allow their children to wear at school. As long as it'as not indecent or likely to be a distraction it should be ok.

What is indecent ? How do you know if a kid isn't packing two sets of clothing ? I knew many girls that used to do this because they wanted to be "cool" and wear skimpy out fits to school on warm days. Then there were the kids who had parents who did not care about what their kids and what they were wearing just as long as the school baby sat them for 6 hours out of the day. Frankly I'd rather have schools set a standard for how kids should dress when attending a public place of learning. Of course with a degree of leeway I might add.

Usually because Parents buy most of the kids clothes. I
went to school back in the late 60's when the Political Climate as very similar to what it is today with uptight Fundies trying to force their will oin others. What happened was that the kids rebelled and became very extreme in their politics and appearances. I believe that the same thing will happen if the Fundies keep on pushing their puritanical values on those who don't buy into their monolithic BS.

I think its time to put down the pot you've been smoking from the 60's and realize that the 'fundies' aren't the problem.. its the parents who allow their children to dress like idiots, and act like idiots who are the problem.. Rules like this are needed because some parents are too stoned to admit their kids are little brats.

I wouldn't point to the 60's as a model of American Society.. you hippies had your chance, you failed..

 

[PsharkJF]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

Bullsh!t, that would be the Government telling others how they should dress. It's be no different that Red China in the 60's forcing all their citizens to wear Mao jacket and pants.

The goal of school is to teach people how to learn. Not put on a fashion show so groups of people can be chewed up and spit out.

The govt telling children how to dress in an arena designed for teaching. In all reality we can take your argument a step further and say the govt is no different than 60 red china in forcing people into buildings to perform activities that may or may not be against their will.

Yes, clothes create a certain social segregation, but what happens when these kids go home? It ("judging the book by the cover") won't happen in the actual building, but it will happen somewhere else.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: PsharkJF

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

Bullsh!t, that would be the Government telling others how they should dress. It's be no different that Red China in the 60's forcing all their citizens to wear Mao jacket and pants.

The goal of school is to teach people how to learn. Not put on a fashion show so groups of people can be chewed up and spit out.

The govt telling children how to dress in an arena designed for teaching. In all reality we can take your argument a step further and say the govt is no different than 60 red china in forcing people into buildings to perform activities that may or may not be against their will.

Yes, clothes create a certain social segregation, but what happens when these kids go home? It ("judging the book by the cover") won't happen in the actual building, but it will happen somewhere else.

When they go home they are the responsiblity of the parents. From there the school and society has very little control over what happens after a kid leaves the school grounds and is at home.

 

[Pepsei]

uniforms might be cool, I know Japan and some asian countries have uniforms in public school system. doesn't Scotland do that too?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck them, let the parents decide what kind of clothes they are going to allow their children to wear at school. As long as it'as not indecent or likely to be a distraction it should be ok.

What is indecent ? How do you know if a kid isn't packing two sets of clothing ? I knew many girls that used to do this because they wanted to be "cool" and wear skimpy out fits to school on warm days. Then there were the kids who had parents who did not care about what their kids and what they were wearing just as long as the school baby sat them for 6 hours out of the day. Frankly I'd rather have schools set a standard for how kids should dress when attending a public place of learning. Of course with a degree of leeway I might add.

Usually because Parents buy most of the kids clothes. I
went to school back in the late 60's when the Political Climate as very similar to what it is today with uptight Fundies trying to force their will oin others. What happened was that the kids rebelled and became very extreme in their politics and appearances. I believe that the same thing will happen if the Fundies keep on pushing their puritanical values on those who don't buy into their monolithic BS.

I think its time to put down the pot you've been smoking from the 60's and realize that the 'fundies' aren't the problem.. its the parents who allow their children to dress like idiots, and act like idiots who are the problem.. Rules like this are needed because some parents are too stoned to admit their kids are little brats.

I thinks it's time to put down the Big Mac you've been pigging on out since you were a child and realize that you are only responsible for your own children and not others. Trying to dictate what other peoples children should wear via the Government sounds like a Socialist or Communist idea, not that of a person who claims the people should be responsible for their own conduct (and that of their children). The fact that you support at Government mandated dress code only proves what a hypocrite you are when you claim to be a Conservative who supports individual rights and condemns the "Granny State".

I wouldn't point to the 60's as a model of American Society.. you hippies had your chance, you failed..

First of all I didn't point out the 60's as a model of American Society, in fact I said just the opposite. Also if you had any sense of Modern History what so ever you'd realize that those in charge during the late 60's were very much like those in charge today. I do agree with you that those in charge during the late 60's failed miserably just like they will end up failing miserably today.

BTW, some of the Hippies of the late sixties are the leaders of todays Tech Industry, those like Paul Allen, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs along with those Hippies who created Unix..none of which I would call failures.In fact if it weren't for any of those Hippies I doubt you'd have your decently waged sedentary job you have now.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck them, let the parents decide what kind of clothes they are going to allow their children to wear at school. As long as it'as not indecent or likely to be a distraction it should be ok.

What is indecent ? How do you know if a kid isn't packing two sets of clothing ? I knew many girls that used to do this because they wanted to be "cool" and wear skimpy out fits to school on warm days. Then there were the kids who had parents who did not care about what their kids and what they were wearing just as long as the school baby sat them for 6 hours out of the day. Frankly I'd rather have schools set a standard for how kids should dress when attending a public place of learning. Of course with a degree of leeway I might add.

Usually because Parents buy most of the kids clothes. I
went to school back in the late 60's when the Political Climate as very similar to what it is today with uptight Fundies trying to force their will oin others. What happened was that the kids rebelled and became very extreme in their politics and appearances. I believe that the same thing will happen if the Fundies keep on pushing their puritanical values on those who don't buy into their monolithic BS.

I think its time to put down the pot you've been smoking from the 60's and realize that the 'fundies' aren't the problem.. its the parents who allow their children to dress like idiots, and act like idiots who are the problem.. Rules like this are needed because some parents are too stoned to admit their kids are little brats.

I thinks it's time to put down the Big Mac you've been pigging on out since you were a child and realize that you are only responsible for your own children and not others. Trying to dictate what other peoples children should wear via the Government sounds like a Socialist or Communist idea, not that of a person who claims the people should be responsible for their own conduct (and that of their children). The fact that you support at Government mandated dress code only proves what a hypocrite you are when you claim to be a Conservative who supports individual rights and condemns the "Granny State".

I wouldn't point to the 60's as a model of American Society.. you hippies had your chance, you failed..

First of all I didn't point out the 60's as a model of American Society, in fact I said just the opposite. Also if you had any sense of Modern History what so ever you'd realize that those in charge during the late 60's were very much like those in charge today. I do agree with you that those in charge during the late 60's failed miserably just like they will end up failing miserably today.

BTW, some of the Hippies of the late sixties are the leaders of todays Tech Industry, those like Paul Allen, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs along with those Hippies who created Unix..none of which I would call failures.In fact if it weren't for any of those Hippies I doubt you'd have your decently waged sedentary job you have now.

I prefer Quarter Pounders, but thats neither here nor there.. Let me recap Red's post in case anyone missed it:

Personal attack.
Communism! Socialism!
GRANNY STATE!
Defense of heavy pot use.

I do support individual rights, however, sometimes, since you can't control your little brats, people need to step in and do something about it. School is not about individual rights, its about teaching the kids how to read, write, etc.. Its not a place for social statements.. if you want to do that, go sit on a street corner with a sign.. I'm not allowed to wear anything I want to work, why should kids be allowed to do it in school?

You picked out some good hippies, which were probably doing less of the pot smoking, and more of the thinking during that time.. Of course, the left does not think of them as hippies anymore, they are the 'man' trying to keep them down. Its interesting how things change sometimes isn't it? Either way, my point stands.. stop smoking pot! 😉

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

I prefer Quarter Pounders, but thats neither here nor there.. Let me recap Red's post in case anyone missed it:

Personal attack.
Communism! Socialism!
GRANNY STATE!
Defense of heavy pot use.

I do support individual rights, however, sometimes, since you can't control your little brats, people need to step in and do something about it. School is not about individual rights, its about teaching the kids how to read, write, etc.. Its not a place for social statements.. if you want to do that, go sit on a street corner with a sign.. I'm not allowed to wear anything I want to work, why should kids be allowed to do it in school?

Because School is not voluntary like your employment. If you didn't like the dress code of your job you can go find another where the dress code is more to your liking. We don't need some Government Assholes telling us that our kids can't wear blue jeans to school

you picked out some good hippies, which were probably doing less of the pot smoking, and more of the thinking during that time.. Of course, the left does not think of them as hippies anymore, they are the 'man' trying to keep them down. Its interesting how things change sometimes isn't it?

There are no real Hippies anymore. Like you stated, they failed miserably and the reason for that is because they didn't realize that peace and love was against human nature. Hell even they couldn't live up to their lofty ideals

Either way, my point stands.. stop smoking pot! 😉

Being health conscious I don't pollute my body with drugs or Big Macs though if you wanted to do either I believe that you should have a right to do so.

 

[shira]

Next thing you know, they'll be banning bras and panties from college campuses.


:Q

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Crimson

I prefer Quarter Pounders, but thats neither here nor there.. Let me recap Red's post in case anyone missed it:

Personal attack.
Communism! Socialism!
GRANNY STATE!
Defense of heavy pot use.

I do support individual rights, however, sometimes, since you can't control your little brats, people need to step in and do something about it. School is not about individual rights, its about teaching the kids how to read, write, etc.. Its not a place for social statements.. if you want to do that, go sit on a street corner with a sign.. I'm not allowed to wear anything I want to work, why should kids be allowed to do it in school?

Because School is not voluntary like your employment. If you didn't like the dress code of your job you can go find another where the dress code is more to your liking. We don't need some Government Assholes telling us that our kids can't wear blue jeans to school

you picked out some good hippies, which were probably doing less of the pot smoking, and more of the thinking during that time.. Of course, the left does not think of them as hippies anymore, they are the 'man' trying to keep them down. Its interesting how things change sometimes isn't it?

There are no real Hippies anymore. Like you stated, they failed miserably and the reason for that is because they didn't realize that peace and love was against human nature. Hell even they couldn't live up to their lofty ideals

Either way, my point stands.. stop smoking pot! 😉

Being health conscious I don't pollute my body with drugs or Big Macs though if you wanted to do either I believe that you should have a right to do so.

Give me a break.. its not voluntary so you can't tell people how to dress? Thats absurd. Where do you draw the line then? What if the students decide they want to wear their underwear to class? What if they decide they don't want to take economics? What if they decide they want steak and lobster for lunch? After all, we are forcing them to go, how can we tell them what they can and cannot do or have?

My tax dollars are UNVOLUNTARILY taken from me for schools.. Don't like not be able to wear jeans? Well I don't like paying property taxes for children I don't have. You are out the ability to wear jeans, I am out several thousands dollars.. who should be complaing more?

 

[Zebo]

too bad they don't ban bras and I'm not in HS. ::SLOBBER::

Anyway disruptions in school should not be tolerated. If the faculty and parents feel these kids are wearing jeans that skirt public decentcy standards they should have every right to ban them, like cell phones, like drug tees and other dispuptive stuff. I'm sure it started reasonable like "go change" but every student in violation wanted to play lawyer and argue the point so the only way is a total ban.

Kid said it best above: "This goes back to first grade. You know, one person can mess it up for everybody."

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Would you feel differently if girls were walking around the school in thongs and bras? Sure, it'd be sweet, but would it affect your learning experience?

that would be a sweet dress code 😀

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

And everyone should take the same exact classes, and get exactly the same thing for lunch. No packing expensive, high quality foods!

Yay for Marxism!

How much leeway do kids have in our public highschools anyways?
If you want diversity hit the university system.

I was just kidding, anyway. Uniforms wouldn't be such a bad idea. Clear bookbags and metal detectors are a little too much for me though.. little too invasive for 99% of schools.

I went to private schools with uniforms and non-uniforms and a public shool without uniforms.

The difference in how people acted towards each other was like night and day. I remember thinking to my self as a kid that uniforms would actually be a pretty good idea.
The public school I attended was debating it but eventually it was shot down.

I hope you're not talking Shanley HS, right? (your a former northdakotan if i recall) Bunch of gooddamn pricks if you ask me. Assholes to eachother and assholes to outsiders. On the other hand my HS had all kinds of freedom, and people got along much better and civil.