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A public High School trying to ban blue jeans

TraumaRN

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Original link: http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/nojeans5e_20050705.htm

Southfield schools may ban blue jeans

July 5, 2005






BY TERESA MASK
FREE PRESS EDUCATION WRITER



Jeans soon may be fading away from both high schools in the Southfield Public School District.


A new dress code takes aim at sagging and tight denim -- a staple in many teenage wardrobes at Southfield High School and Southfield Lathrup, in Lathrup Village.


To the dismay of those who have a closet full of them, the proposal prohibits jeans or any type of denim fabric, tank and halter tops, pajamas and sunglasses, among other items.


It's all part of the changes that have come along with a new administration. During her first year at the helm, Superintendent Beverley Geltner has been stressing the need to reduce the number of tardies, detentions and students who repeat grades.


Geltner couldn't be reached for comment, but in the past has said requiring a standard code of dress would help students focus on school.


"Most students don't want to wear khakis and collared shirts," 17-year-old Corin Reade said Thursday. "I'm hoping they will reconsider some of this stuff."


Southfield, like other schools across metro Detroit and the country, already has a dress code. But to address poor academic performance and to curb clothing that has a double meaning, such as gang affiliation, board members said an update was necessary.


Board President Janie Fulton said Thursday she doesn't know when the board will vote on the issue but wants a new policy before school starts in the fall. She said her mind isn't made up about the jeans issue. But board member Darryle Buchanan, who had to wear a uniform to the Catholic school he attended as a child, said he agreed with the ban.


Betty Robinson, whose son will be a sophomore, said she doesn't allow him to wear sagging pants. Most parents buy their children's clothes, so they know what they are wearing, she said.


"You buy them too big, then you know they are gonna fall off," she said Friday.


Many area public schools have dress codes, including Detroit, Pontiac, Warren Consolidated Schools and Troy. And at a lot of schools, such as Plymouth High School in Canton, dress codes govern formal events like the prom because students were getting too risque.


Southfield doesn't typically have problems at the elementary and middle school levels because it already has a strict dress code, which bans jeans.


The fact that high school students might not get to wear jeans is disappointing to some.


"I don't sag my jeans at all," 16-year-old Seon Britton said Monday. "This goes back to first grade. You know, one person can mess it up for everybody."


Britton and Reade say they don't believe the studies that indicate uniforms equate to better academics. Reade said she thinks it has less to do with clothes and more to do with the attitude of the students.


Reade said it will be tougher for kids to find slacks and dress pants -- and more expensive. On a recent shopping trip, she said the cheapest pair of slacks she could find were $35; the jeans she bought were $16.


Well I am not so sure about this, if it were my kids I'd pull them out of the district and send them elsewhere, my thought would be it's a public school not a private school so dont try and tell me or my kids what to wear.

Yours thoughts 🙂
 
If they don't want kids to wear questionable clothing, they should then require school uniforms. End of story.
 
Is it against the 1st amendment? Who knows.
Are nudity in public laws against the 1st amendment? Who knows.

Does a school have the right to remove distractions? Yes, to a certain extent.

Would you feel differently if girls were walking around the school in thongs and bras? Sure, it'd be sweet, but would it affect your learning experience?
I don't really think jeans can be that distracting though. I'm not a fan of this ban.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Is it against the 1st amendment? Who knows.
Are nudity in public laws against the 1st amendment? Who knows.

Does a school have the right to remove distractions? Yes, to a certain extent.

Would you feel differently if girls were walking around the school in thongs and bras? Sure, it'd be sweet, but would it affect your learning experience?
I don't really think jeans can be that distracting though. I'm not a fan of this ban.


They're banning a fabric. If she doesn't want "tight" or "baggy" clothes, then she should ban them. It is rediculous to ban a fabric.
 
Originally posted by: ScottyB
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Is it against the 1st amendment? Who knows.
Are nudity in public laws against the 1st amendment? Who knows.

Does a school have the right to remove distractions? Yes, to a certain extent.

Would you feel differently if girls were walking around the school in thongs and bras? Sure, it'd be sweet, but would it affect your learning experience?
I don't really think jeans can be that distracting though. I'm not a fan of this ban.


They're banning a fabric. If she doesn't want "tight" or "baggy" clothes, then she should ban them. It is rediculous to ban a fabric.

Yeah, now that I actually read the article... that type of blanket ban is ignorant. It'd be like banning non-home cooked meals because kids are getting fat.
 
I would venture to guess that almost every school district in america has a dress code of one type or another. Some are more lax than others but the dress code is whatever the school district says it is.

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it.
 
I was not allowed to wear shorts to school when I was a kid. This had obviously scarred me for life.

Seriously, I don't like to see schools taking these kind of steps, which amount to an arbirtary abridgement of freedom, but when considered alongside the more serious problems of the day, this one fails to even deflect the meter. (Kind of like animal rights issues.)
 
I'd be interested to see a study that looked at whether or not banning anything other than extreme clothes has a real affect on student performance. I strongly suspect these people are talking out of their ass, since I've gone to schools that have virtually no dress code and schools that have required uniforms. If there was a major performance difference tied to clothing between those schools, I would be very surprised.
 
Fsck them, let the parents decide what kind of clothes they are going to allow their children to wear at school. As long as it'as not indecent or likely to be a distraction it should be ok.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'd be interested to see a study that looked at whether or not banning anything other than extreme clothes has a real affect on student performance. I strongly suspect these people are talking out of their ass, since I've gone to schools that have virtually no dress code and schools that have required uniforms. If there was a major performance difference tied to clothing between those schools, I would be very surprised.



Can we make sure to include inner city schools located in high crime, high poverty and in gang zones and not just the ones in the suburbs.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck them, let the parents decide what kind of clothes they are going to allow their children to wear at school. As long as it'as not indecent or likely to be a distraction it should be ok.


What is indecent ? How do you know if a kid isn't packing two sets of clothing ? I knew many girls that used to do this because they wanted to be "cool" and wear skimpy out fits to school on warm days. Then there were the kids who had parents who did not care about what their kids and what they were wearing just as long as the school baby sat them for 6 hours out of the day. Frankly I'd rather have schools set a standard for how kids should dress when attending a public place of learning. Of course with a degree of leeway I might add.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Fsck them, let the parents decide what kind of clothes they are going to allow their children to wear at school. As long as it'as not indecent or likely to be a distraction it should be ok.


What is indecent ? How do you know if a kid isn't packing two sets of clothing ? I knew many girls that used to do this because they wanted to be "cool" and wear skimpy out fits to school on warm days. Then there were the kids who had parents who did not care about what their kids and what they were wearing just as long as the school baby sat them for 6 hours out of the day. Frankly I'd rather have schools set a standard for how kids should dress when attending a public place of learning. Of course with a degree of leeway I might add.
Usually because Parents buy most of the kids clothes. I
went to school back in the late 60's when the Political Climate as very similar to what it is today with uptight Fundies trying to force their will oin others. What happened was that the kids rebelled and became very extreme in their politics and appearances. I believe that the same thing will happen if the Fundies keep on pushing their puritanical values on those who don't buy into their monolithic BS.
 
Some of the short skirts girls wear in school are a lot worse than some baggy pants. At least those with baggy pants have underware. I was at a theater the other day and everyone got up to leave and most of the women were pulling up their jeans cause all of their ass cracks were showing. It was quite comical.
 
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.
Bullsh!t, that would be the Government telling others how they should dress. It's be no different that Red China in the 60's forcing all their citizens to wear Mao jacket and pants.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

And everyone should take the same exact classes, and get exactly the same thing for lunch. No packing expensive, high quality foods!

Yay for Marxism!
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.
Bullsh!t, that would be the Government telling others how they should dress. It's be no different that Red China in the 60's forcing all their citizens to wear Mao jacket and pants.

The goal of school is to teach people how to learn. Not put on a fashion show so groups of people can be chewed up and spit out.

The govt telling children how to dress in an arena designed for teaching. In all reality we can take your argument a step further and say the govt is no different than 60 red china in forcing people into buildings to perform activities that may or may not be against their will.

 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

And everyone should take the same exact classes, and get exactly the same thing for lunch. No packing expensive, high quality foods!

Yay for Marxism!

How much leeway do kids have in our public highschools anyways?
If you want diversity hit the university system.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

And everyone should take the same exact classes, and get exactly the same thing for lunch. No packing expensive, high quality foods!

Yay for Marxism!

How much leeway do kids have in our public highschools anyways?
If you want diversity hit the university system.

I was just kidding, anyway. Uniforms wouldn't be such a bad idea. Clear bookbags and metal detectors are a little too much for me though.. little too invasive for 99% of schools.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Genx87
They should put uniforms into public schools.

The have and have nots would have a harder time distiguishing each other.

And everyone should take the same exact classes, and get exactly the same thing for lunch. No packing expensive, high quality foods!

Yay for Marxism!

How much leeway do kids have in our public highschools anyways?
If you want diversity hit the university system.

I was just kidding, anyway. Uniforms wouldn't be such a bad idea. Clear bookbags and metal detectors are a little too much for me though.. little too invasive for 99% of schools.

I went to private schools with uniforms and non-uniforms and a public shool without uniforms.

The difference in how people acted towards each other was like night and day. I remember thinking to my self as a kid that uniforms would actually be a pretty good idea.
The public school I attended was debating it but eventually it was shot down.

 
I dunno. . .I mean. . .when you get out of school and apply your education in the real world by getting gainful employment, you're expected to adhere to a certain code of dress. I guess the difference is you are getting paid. But a school, like a company you could work for, is not really a democracy. The principal is the CEO if you will, and he or she has the authority to dictate rules and standards for the organization. Few, if any, of the students in a high school are technically adults aged 18 or over. Chances are many of them will not be allowed to wear jeans or baggy clothing on the job wherever they decide to seek employment upon graduation or after college. I don't see any harm in indoctorinating them to this reality a little early and I certainly don't see how it can hurt anybody to not be allowed to wear street clothes to school. It's a small thing really. . .not something I'd see as being worth expending the time or energy fighting. Not a battle I would pick personally. I think the school is just trying to raise the bar to a little higher standard. But of course some people will see the move as infringing on their personal freedoms. A school should be an orderly and disciplined environment conducive to learning. That is really its sole purpose. As the Fresh Prince put it so aptly in "Parents Just don't Understand" (I know I'm dating myself here) You go to school to learn, not for a fashion show.
 
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