A pipebomb is now considered a WMD...

[Lizardman]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
... according to the Patriot Act. Also, if you make meth or ""any substance that is designed or has the capability to cause death or serious injury" and contains toxic chemicals" you can be charged w/manufacturing chemical weapons.

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Lethal

yeah i read those.

i was strongly against the patriot act. Now they are tring to get the super patriot act or patriot act 2. sheesh scarry times.

wish i could take my vote for bush away. sigh

I should have voted for green party.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Millennium
For fvck sakes! If you have a pipebomb I don't want you on the streets anyway! Let them pile charges on. Same with meth manufacturers.

Sheesh.

I agree that people accused of pipe bomb or meth making need to be tried, convicted if the evidence warrants, and punished accordingly.

I do not think that someone should be taken away without a judges warrant and made to disappear because the ones who took him SAID he had a pipe bomb. Poof! Gone. No trial. Nothing. Just gone.

Stalin did it, Mao did it, Saddam did it. We shouldn't.

Ashcroft wants the govt to have this power. No.

Exactly. Its a slippery slope, and I can't help but wonder where it will end.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Millennium
For fvck sakes! If you have a pipebomb I don't want you on the streets anyway! Let them pile charges on. Same with meth manufacturers.

Sheesh.

I agree that people accused of pipe bomb or meth making need to be tried, convicted if the evidence warrants, and punished accordingly.

I do not think that someone should be taken away without a judges warrant and made to disappear because the ones who took him SAID he had a pipe bomb. Poof! Gone. No trial. Nothing. Just gone.

Stalin did it, Mao did it, Saddam did it. We shouldn't.

Ashcroft wants the govt to have this power. No.

You are right. There is no reason to suspend the rights and the Criminal Justice process. I am simply saying that prosecutors pile on baseless charges all the time hoping for a plea. No judge or jury is going to convict this guy.

There is a whole lot wrong with how the justice system works, and you have pointed our something major. I dont know how to fix it, but I dont want to make it worse, as I know you do not.


The dreaded format edit

 

[Insane3D]

"Federal prosecutors used the act in June to file a charge of "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" against a California man after a pipe bomb exploded in his lap, wounding him as he sat in his car"

Question. If a pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction", how come when it blows up in your freakin lap, you are only wounded?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

There is a whole lot wrong with how the justice system works, and you have pointed our something major. I dont know how to fix it, but I dont want to make it worse, as I know you do not.


The dreaded format edit

you always ask for more than you think you can get, because it makes it far easier to bargain to what you do want.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

"Federal prosecutors used the act in June to file a charge of "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" against a California man after a pipe bomb exploded in his lap, wounding him as he sat in his car"

Question. If a pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction", how come when it blows up in your freakin lap, you are only wounded?

If it blows up in your lap, you are going to think its pretty destructive. No Johnson, Johnson 😀

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

"Federal prosecutors used the act in June to file a charge of "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" against a California man after a pipe bomb exploded in his lap, wounding him as he sat in his car"

Question. If a pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction", how come when it blows up in your freakin lap, you are only wounded?

have you read the thread yet? mil and i have explained quite well what is going on here.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Insane3D

"Federal prosecutors used the act in June to file a charge of "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" against a California man after a pipe bomb exploded in his lap, wounding him as he sat in his car"

Question. If a pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction", how come when it blows up in your freakin lap, you are only wounded?

If it blows up in your lap, you are going to think its pretty destructive. No Johnson, Johnson 😀

😀

Seriously...how can it do "mass" destruction, when it blows up in someones lap and doesn't even kill that person? 😉

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

There is a whole lot wrong with how the justice system works, and you have pointed our something major. I dont know how to fix it, but I dont want to make it worse, as I know you do not.


The dreaded format edit

you always ask for more than you think you can get, because it makes it far easier to bargain to what you do want.

True, and I understand that. The problem is that sometimes people plea for a crime they do not commit, because if they are convicted it's bigger trouble. Sometimes, prosecutors use this to imprison someone just to get a conviction. Other times, someone who commits a grievous crime gets off relatively easy, and not always because of evidence.

I understand this, but I do not have to love it.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Insane3D

"Federal prosecutors used the act in June to file a charge of "terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" against a California man after a pipe bomb exploded in his lap, wounding him as he sat in his car"

Question. If a pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction", how come when it blows up in your freakin lap, you are only wounded?

have you read the thread yet? mil and i have explained quite well what is going on here.

Yeah, I read it. I'll come to my own conclusions...thanks. 🙂

 

[Regs]

So when we pass gas at a local restaurant....

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

😀

Seriously...how can it do "mass" destruction, when it blows up in someones lap and doesn't even kill that person? 😉

and the defense attorney will point that out

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Regs
So when we pass gas at a local restaurant....

They'll charge you with a WMD related terrorism charge for having toxic gas in your colon and releasing it in public. However, you will likely be able to plead down to misdemeanor flatulence...:Q

😉

 

[LordMaul]

Oh crap!


😉

 

[TerryMathews]

I can kind-of see the rationale here. A pipe bomb is a terror weapon, because it is such an ineffective weapon. As an example, it didn't frag the guy, even though it exploded right in his lap.

Yet it's effectiveness cannot be understated if it were to go off inside a subway car, for example. A weapon that maimes without killing.

Weapon of mass destruction? No. Weapon intended to incite terror? Yes.

 

[Analog]

Thank binladin for taking some of our freedoms away, little by little