A petetion to Sony...

[DarkThinker]

The PS3 can make a great system should Sony allow access for the open source developers to the RSX chip for graphics rendering. But so far they have totally ignored consumer's loud request for it.
Please sign the petition and let your voice be noticed by Sony.

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Should Sony allow access to the RSX, the Linux operating system that would run on the PS3 in other OS, would have great resource accessible to it, therefor allowing people to truly use their PS3's as secondary PC's and doing fun homebrew apps on it, play media in various formats , for instance Open Source PC Linux games can be played on the PS3 in other OS, 3D Desktop environments (Compiz-Fusion for instance) would run properly in it and so forth. Also many people would like to use their current PS3's as media centers too.

I am currently considering getting a PS3 but not sure at the moment about it. However I know I would be getting one for sure should they allow RSX access.

So drop them a couple of lines and tell them what you think who knows?...and don't stop at just the petition shoot them an email or two call in ...this might make the PS3 experience better by multiples of times.

 

[beat mania]

How is this going to make them money? They don't make anything from people buying just the systems, you know.

 

[DarkThinker]

I do, but it would make the platform more appealing, plus the majority of the people wouldn't get it just for the others OS option, it would eventually increase the PS3 user base.

 

[mugs]

I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll happen anytime soon, and I don't blame them. They don't want people to use it as a Linux gaming PC, they want you to buy PS3 games. The PS3 has built-in media center capabilities as well.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll happen anytime soon, and I don't blame them. They don't want people to use it as a Linux gaming PC, they want you to buy PS3 games. The PS3 has built-in media center capabilities as well.

Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll happen anytime soon, and I don't blame them. They don't want people to use it as a Linux gaming PC, they want you to buy PS3 games. The PS3 has built-in media center capabilities as well.

Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

Because the PS3 is primarily a video game system, and it is disadvantageous to Sony to allow people to run non-PS3 games on the system. They sell the system for a sizable loss, so they rely on game sales to make up the difference.

At least they gave you the Linux option to begin with, and you have access to the system's pretty powerful processor. I was going to install Oracle on mine but for some reason Linux ran unbearably slow on my PS3.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll happen anytime soon, and I don't blame them. They don't want people to use it as a Linux gaming PC, they want you to buy PS3 games. The PS3 has built-in media center capabilities as well.

Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

Because the PS3 is primarily a video game system, and it is disadvantageous to Sony to allow people to run non-PS3 games on the system. They sell the system for a sizable loss, so they rely on game sales to make up the difference.

At least they gave you the Linux option to begin with, and you have access to the system's pretty powerful processor. I was going to install Oracle on mine but for some reason Linux ran unbearably slow on my PS3.

Cell programming is something relatively new. The Linux desktop programs most probably don't take full advantage of the on board as well as EA for instance can make their own games take advantage of the CELL.

Plus Sony makes you run the OtherOS under a hypervisor, many restrictions come with that package. Don't think for a moment when you are running Linux on your PS3 that you have full access to the PS3's power.

And please tell me, during years of Linux development, how often have you seen an open source game that is Linux native that can rival something on a console? NONE no one has the budget to do so independently. The only thing that would be run with the RSX up and running on Linux in term of games would be open source games and I doubt any closed source games would run (they just can't be recompiled by the end user.) There is a slight chance for WINE to do much in that environment too.
Personally should I have a PS3 with functioning RSX under Linux I would run some Linux Games and only 2 really good open source games that might be re-compilable for the PS3 come to mind: Tremulous and FlightGear and I doubt that is going to stop me from buying Gran Turismo 5, Virtua Fighter, Resistance:FoM, COD4 ....you get the picture.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

Plus Sony makes you run the OtherOS under a hypervisor, many restrictions come with that package. Don't think for a moment when you are running Linux on your PS3 that you have full access to the PS3's power.

You just answered your own question didn't you? Sony opened it up w/ restrictions.. because they knew it couldn't have a chance in hell to compete against itself. I hate Sony as a company as much as the next joe, but I have no qualms with them selling the system how they want to. It's their stuff. If you don't like their choices, don't buy it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll happen anytime soon, and I don't blame them. They don't want people to use it as a Linux gaming PC, they want you to buy PS3 games. The PS3 has built-in media center capabilities as well.

Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

Because the PS3 is primarily a video game system, and it is disadvantageous to Sony to allow people to run non-PS3 games on the system. They sell the system for a sizable loss, so they rely on game sales to make up the difference.

At least they gave you the Linux option to begin with, and you have access to the system's pretty powerful processor. I was going to install Oracle on mine but for some reason Linux ran unbearably slow on my PS3.

Cell programming is something relatively new. The Linux desktop programs most probably don't take full advantage of the on board as well as EA for instance can make their own games take advantage of the CELL.

Plus Sony makes you run the OtherOS under a hypervisor, many restrictions come with that package. Don't think for a moment when you are running Linux on your PS3 that you have full access to the PS3's power.

And please tell me, during years of Linux development, how often have you seen an open source game that is Linux native that can rival something on a console? NONE no one has the budget to do so independently. The only thing that would be run with the RSX up and running on Linux in term of games would be open source games and I doubt any closed source games would run (they just can't be recompiled by the end user.) There is a slight chance for WINE to do much in that environment too.
Personally should I have a PS3 with functioning RSX under Linux I would run some Linux Games and only 2 really good open source games that might be re-compilable for the PS3 come to mind: Tremulous and FlightGear and I doubt that is going to stop me from buying Gran Turismo 5, Virtua Fighter, Resistance:FoM, COD4 ....you get the picture.

It's not the big games that have multi-million dollar budgets and come on Blu-Ray discs that Linux could take a chunk out of - it's the $5-$10 downloadable games from PSN.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The way it's set up you could use the Linux boot for web browsing, email, word processing, and other general apps. just not games (besides Flash games).

As a free bonus feature on a game console sold at a loss, lack of access to 3D acceleration doesn't bother me a bit.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

Plus Sony makes you run the OtherOS under a hypervisor, many restrictions come with that package. Don't think for a moment when you are running Linux on your PS3 that you have full access to the PS3's power.

You just answered your own question didn't you? Sony opened it up w/ restrictions.. because they knew it couldn't have a chance in hell to compete against itself. I hate Sony as a company as much as the next joe, but I have no qualms with them selling the system how they want to. It's their stuff. If you don't like their choices, don't buy it.

Well mr smartypants, that's why it's a petition and not a class-action lawsuit!
It's a request not a demand, at the end it's their product and those who don't like it can either elect not to buy it or elect to hack the sht out of it
However given that many would buy PS3 games on the PS3 should Sony allow the RSX to be opened up, it makes it a good opportunity to expand the user base.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The way it's set up you could use the Linux boot for web browsing, email, word processing, and other general apps. just not games (besides Flash games).

As a free bonus feature on a game console sold at a loss, lack of access to 3D acceleration doesn't bother me a bit.

Still you don't have the much nicer 3d -Desktop environment, 2-d interface issues still exist. And above much you have no media video hardware acceleration for media playback!

 

[DaveSimmons]

They want you to buy blu-ray discs instead

Yes it would be nice of them, and homebrew RSX + Cell development sounds like an interesting challenge, but I understand why they have no interest in allowing it.

Perhaps if the PS3 starts doing much better in the console wars, or if the PS4 follows nintendo's example and is an evolved PS3 you'll get your wish. Once they have 30-40 million sold and have cost-reduced the console a couple of times.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
They want you to buy blu-ray discs instead

Yes it would be nice of them, and homebrew RSX + Cell development sounds like an interesting challenge, but I understand why they have no interest in allowing it.

Perhaps if the PS3 starts doing much better in the console wars, or if the PS4 follows nintendo's example and is an evolved PS3 you'll get your wish. Once they have 30-40 million sold and have cost-reduced the console a couple of times.

I think the PS3 will be hacked way before then.

 

[Kur]

The PS3 can make a great system should Sony allow access for the open source developers to the RSX chip for graphics rendering. But so far they have totally ignored consumer's loud request for it.
Please sign the petition and let your voice be noticed by Sony.

Ignored customer demands for it? Did I miss the picketing for this?
Linux fanboys =! General consumer.

Should Sony allow access to the RSX, the Linux operating system that would run on the PS3 in other OS, would have great resource accessible to it, therefor allowing people to truly use their PS3's as secondary PC's and doing fun homebrew apps on it, play media in various formats , for instance Open Source PC Linux games can be played on the PS3 in other OS, 3D Desktop environments (Compiz-Fusion for instance) would run properly in it and so forth. Also many people would like to use their current PS3's as media centers too.

If they opened up the PS3 where would the market for their Desktop Cell processors be then? Get a full system for under $500 that's on par with some of the higher end computers that cost 2 to 3 times more?

So drop them a couple of lines and tell them what you think who knows?...and don't stop at just the petition shoot them an email or two call in ...this might make the PS3 experience better by multiples of times.

They don't need to unlock the RSX, they need to get better games out. It's a great video system and media center already as is.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place?

Another attempt to get a Playstation classified as a computer instead of a game console to dodge taxes?

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: mugs
I don't think there's a chance in hell it'll happen anytime soon, and I don't blame them. They don't want people to use it as a Linux gaming PC, they want you to buy PS3 games. The PS3 has built-in media center capabilities as well.

Well then, why did they allow the Other OS thing in the first place? You know there is an equal risk of someone being satisfied in having a Linux PC for web browsing, productivity and Media in addition to the Blueray-DVD player in one without having to buy any PS3 games too no?

Cause it was already established as an option with the PS2.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Kur

The PS3 can make a great system should Sony allow access for the open source developers to the RSX chip for graphics rendering. But so far they have totally ignored consumer's loud request for it.
Please sign the petition and let your voice be noticed by Sony.

Ignored customer demands for it? Did I miss the picketing for this?
Linux fanboys =! General consumer.

Well I didn't say General Consumer I said consumers however just go out there on the web and check if it's only hardcore Linux geeks that are requesting a better environment for the Linux on their PS3.
Many people are starting to use OS's like Fedora & Ubuntu as soon as they discovered they have the ability to install a free OS on their PS3 hassle free and get a full desktop environment where they can do most of what they do on an average PC. And now many of those like the idea of using their PS3 as a powerful media center / PC but they soon discover the limitations from memory to video. They and the Linux geeks (ok that's me) think it would be fantastic if the PS3 wouldn't have those limitations.

Should Sony allow access to the RSX, the Linux operating system that would run on the PS3 in other OS, would have great resource accessible to it, therefor allowing people to truly use their PS3's as secondary PC's and doing fun homebrew apps on it, play media in various formats , for instance Open Source PC Linux games can be played on the PS3 in other OS, 3D Desktop environments (Compiz-Fusion for instance) would run properly in it and so forth. Also many people would like to use their current PS3's as media centers too.

If they opened up the PS3 where would the market for their Desktop Cell processors be then? Get a full system for under $500 that's on par with some of the higher end computers that cost 2 to 3 times more?

Technically it would take some good time for most developers to get a good number of packages optimized to take good advantage of CELL technology, since it's so new, that I doubt all the sudden a PS3 running Linux is going to immediately outperform a $1500 Desktop setup which is much easier to optimize software for considering the mostly open environment.

So drop them a couple of lines and tell them what you think who knows?...and don't stop at just the petition shoot them an email or two call in ...this might make the PS3 experience better by multiples of times.

They don't need to unlock the RSX, they need to get better games out. It's a great video system and media center already as is.

They don't need to, but we want them to, I am pretty sure that's obvious.

 

[MrPickins]

Here's to wishful thinking. :beer:

 

[StormRider]

Even if we had full access to the RSX, there is still the problem of limited memory on the PS3 to make it truly great as a platform for experimenting with CELL programming...