A person breaks into your house....

[0roo0roo]

i see. the correct thing to do is shoot em a couple times then drive a chopstick into their brains u could say he reached for my gun so i had to pound this chopstick into his brain

self defense or excessive force? eh

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Booster
And what if he's a police detective, FBI agent or whoever? They don't always wear uniform, and not all of them show their tags quick enough. If you shoot such a guy, well, it's going to really suck.

Detective or FBI agent or whatnot - they're trespassing on your property. They need a warrant to do that. They don't just break in - they'll break the door down and wake you up - then ransack your house.

And if there was just one guy - like a PI or something - believe me, reaching for his badge isn't going to help - it's going to guarantee his death. If there's a guy in my house, and I see him turn to face me and reach for his hip/pocket, to me he's drawing a gun and is entitled to a free lead enema.

Edit - Mookow put it into a nice example.

Originally posted by: Mookow
Actually, there was a case in TX where some deputies went on a bust, didnt yell "Police" or otherwise ID themselves, the owner killed them both, and was either not tried or found not guilty, I forget which.

Originally posted by: ipwnj00
criminals pwn joo

A .308WinMag round pwnz criminals very nicely. Messily. But nicely.

- M4H

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: acidvoodoo
dam, i'm scared, all these people shooting to kill, i live in england where handguns are illegal, so this is suprising to me.


but....................

if i had a gun, and someone broke into my house, and i saw they had a weapon (which tends to mean they are prepared to use it) i would shoot, as long as i was sure they were foe. i wouldn't try to kill them though, unless say, they jumped out behind me and hit me with something, or shot at me first. maybe a shot to the legs or something to disable them until the police arrive

Dumbest. Idea. EVAR.

I'll assume since you live in England, you have never shot a handgun. So, you arent exactly skilled in its use. But now you are going to try a trick shot. Its like someone who has never played pool saying they are going to bank the ball 3 times off the bumpers, then sink two balls. Except, you are betting your life on the shot. You'd never do this in pool, so why do you want to do it with a pistol? If I ever do encounter an intruder in my house, and I see he is armed with ANYTHING up to and including a #2 pencil, my first shot goes CM, second goes a couple inches higher, and third shot gets aimed at his head. Since I live in Ohio and our laws are crappy in regads to self-defense, if he isnt armed and I shoot him the chances of me being prosecuted (in criminal court) go way, way up. Ohio requires you to have a reasonable belief that you will be killed. In the courts, this has meant that if he has a weapon, you're fine. If he doesnt and you just open fire on him, you're screwed. If you yell "freeze" and he advances on you or does anything but put his hands up or run away from you, you're safe. If you yell "freeze" and he runs away, you are allowed to try and detain him, but not kill him... in other words, this is when shooting for the legs is OK

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Booster

Originally posted by: hammer09
i'm in texas so if he had a weapon, I'd shoot immediately.

And what if he's a police detective, FBI agent or whoever? They don't always wear uniform, and not all of them show their tags quick enough. If you shoot such a guy, well, it's going to really suck.

Police usually have to announce their arrival before they enter your house. If it's a situation where they don't have to, well, you're in deep sh!t already.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i see. the correct thing to do is shoot em a couple times then drive a chopstick into their brains u could say he reached for my gun so i had to pound this chopstick into his brain

But that isnt the correct thing to do. No one is going to eat off a chopstick that has been stuck in someone's brain, thus requiring another one to be made, and thus you are contributing to the destruction of forests. Save the trees!

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Quixfire
In Texas I thought is was shoot him, drag him to the backyard, bury him, and add his weapon to your collection?

Sounds like my standard introduction to my little sister's boyfriends.

"Hi, I'm Merc. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and a big backyard. You understand me?"

- M4H

Come on Merc, I thought all you needed was a paper clip and some floss. Not a shotgun???

 

[LethalWolfe]

According to my local Police Chief (and the info he handed me when I got my license to carry) in Indiana if someone is the in act of breaking into yer house you can kill them. So if the mofo is halfway thru the window he's fair game.


Lethal

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Quixfire

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Quixfire
In Texas I thought is was shoot him, drag him to the backyard, bury him, and add his weapon to your collection?

Sounds like my standard introduction to my little sister's boyfriends.

"Hi, I'm Merc. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and a big backyard. You understand me?"

- M4H

Come on Merc, I thought all you needed was a paper clip and some floss. Not a shotgun???

Paperclip? I don't need no stinkin paperclip. Whaddya think I am, some kinda amateur, two-day-a-week mercenary?


Edit -

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
According to my local Police Chief (and the info he handed me when I got my license to carry) in Indiana if someone is the in act of breaking into yer house you can kill them. So if the mofo is halfway thru the window he's fair game.

Only the half that's through the window. God help him if he entered ass-first - that 30.06 suppository is gonna hurt like hell. :Q

- M4H

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Only the half that's through the window. God help him if he entered ass-first - that 30.06 suppository is gonna hurt like hell. :Q

- M4H

I hope that isn't from experience!

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Quixfire

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Quixfire
In Texas I thought is was shoot him, drag him to the backyard, bury him, and add his weapon to your collection?

Sounds like my standard introduction to my little sister's boyfriends.

"Hi, I'm Merc. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and a big backyard. You understand me?"

- M4H

Come on Merc, I thought all you needed was a paper clip and some floss. Not a shotgun???

Paperclip? I don't need no stinkin paperclip. Whaddya think I am, some kinda amateur, two-day-a-week mercenary?


Edit -

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
According to my local Police Chief (and the info he handed me when I got my license to carry) in Indiana if someone is the in act of breaking into yer house you can kill them. So if the mofo is halfway thru the window he's fair game.

Only the half that's through the window. God help him if he entered ass-first - that 30.06 suppository is gonna hurt like hell. :Q

- M4H

HELLO PEOPLE. Real life is not =CS. Shooting people in the legs, winging them, warning shots, etc. is just bound to get you killed. Also, a complicated two rounds to the chest followed by two rounds to the head combination is not feasible for most people. Talk of using "doubletaps" in a home defense situation is kind of scary. You are not the SWAT team or an avenging angel sent down straight from heaven to smite the bad guys. Most engagements in a home will occur at a range of between 3 to 7 feet and you will only have seconds at most to identify the intruder, determine if they are actually an intruder, determine if they are an imminent danger to yourself and others and engage.

You almost never want to do anything but fire straight at the center mass and continue firing until the target is not longer a threat. Also using a 308 for home defense is laughable. Every try to corner inside a residence with a rifle?? It sucks. Also, just about any type of rifle ammunition will go right through most walls and could hit someone else in the home or one of your neighbors and the consequences of that would be staggering. The best weapon for home defense is a shotgun followed by a handgun with the appropriate ammo. Also remember, that the ultimate intent should be to secure your own welfare and that of your family, neighbors etc. If that means taking the opporunity to evacuate the location and call 911, by all means do it rather than trying to prove how cool you are with your gun.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: justint


HELLO PEOPLE. Real life is not =CS. Shooting people in the legs, winging them, warning shots, etc. is just bound to get you killed. Also, a complicated two rounds to the chest followed by two rounds to the head combination is not feasible for most people. Talk of using "doubletaps" in a home defense situation is kind of scary. You are not the SWAT team or an avenging angel sent down straight from heaven to smite the bad guys. Most engagements in a home will occur at a range of between 3 to 7 feet and you will only have seconds at most to identify the intruder, determine if they are actually an intruder, determine if they are an imminent danger to yourself and others and engage.

You almost never want to do anything but fire straight at the center mass and continue firing until the target is not longer a threat. Also using a 308 for home defense is laughable. Every try to corner inside a residence with a rifle?? It sucks. Also, just about any type of rifle ammunition will go right through most walls and could hit someone else in the home or one of your neighbors and the consequences of that would be staggering. The best weapon for home defense is a shotgun followed by a handgun with the appropriate ammo. Also remember, that the ultimate intent should be to secure your own welfare and that of your family, neighbors etc. If that means taking the opporunity to evacuate the location and call 911, by all means do it rather than trying to prove how cool you are with your gun.

But what if you're REALLY cool with a gun?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: justint

HELLO PEOPLE. Real life is not =CS. Shooting people in the legs, winging them, warning shots, etc. is just bound to get you killed. Also, a complicated two rounds to the chest followed by two rounds to the head combination is not feasible for most people. Talk of using "doubletaps" in a home defense situation is kind of scary. You are not the SWAT team or an avenging angel sent down straight from heaven to smite the bad guys. Most engagements in a home will occur at a range of between 3 to 7 feet and you will only have seconds at most to identify the intruder, determine if they are actually an intruder, determine if they are an imminent danger to yourself and others and engage.

You almost never want to do anything but fire straight at the center mass and continue firing until the target is not longer a threat. Also using a 308 for home defense is laughable. Every try to corner inside a residence with a rifle?? It sucks. Also, just about any type of rifle ammunition will go right through most walls and could hit someone else in the home or one of your neighbors and the consequences of that would be staggering. The best weapon for home defense is a shotgun followed by a handgun with the appropriate ammo. Also remember, that the ultimate intent should be to secure your own welfare and that of your family, neighbors etc. If that means taking the opporunity to evacuate the location and call 911, by all means do it rather than trying to prove how cool you are with your gun.

Most people do not go to the range. Most people to not go to the range weekly. Most people do not practice firing until the "complicated" Mozambique drill takes the same (or less) time as firing 3 rounds inside the 9 ring. This is true. However, given a decent amount of training and practicing on a semi-regular basis (once a month), it is very doable). All you do is let the recoil of shot #1 drive your aim up a little, fire shot #2 at a point 2-4 inches higher than shot #1 went in (it doesnt have to be perfect, just as long as you are not firing into the same wound channel), then you fire at a different aim point (usually the head) if your first two rounds do not have the desired effect (this being known as the "failure" variation of the Mozambique)... most people just fire that 3rd round anyway, and I'm pretty much in the habit of that myself, as targets at the range with two holes in them dont show much more for effect. Considering I usually use a 45, the impact of shot #1 and shot #2 usually give you enough time to aim shot #3 pretty well. The only reason you usually wouldnt want to fire the third shot is in cases where you are worried about running out of ammo, and since burglars usually dont travel in groups of 4+, that shouldnt be a problem.

Frankly, I see no reason why someone shouldnt double tap in a home defense scenario, as long as they arent trying to put them both in the head. It goes pretty well with your beliefs, except that the second shot is automatic. Then, you evaluate whether further shooting is necessary. Given people with just some training, double taps are probably the better option. The cops where I live are taught to shoot for the CM until the threat from that target is elminated. Even on the range, with a pucker factor of 0, this results in cops opening up like they are carrying a Glock 18, consequently they soon have an empty clip. The other result of this is very few to no holes in or close to the CM. This is a rather dangerous situation to be in... an empty weapon and a still functioning adversary. Now, if you have a 22 or some similar low powered pistol, opening up until the target is down/the clip is empty is probably your best move. But with a higher powered pistol, the little pause between rounds 2 and 3 helps you to get your aim back on target.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: justint
HELLO PEOPLE. Real life is not =CS. Shooting people in the legs, winging them, warning shots, etc. is just bound to get you killed. Also, a complicated two rounds to the chest followed by two rounds to the head combination is not feasible for most people. Talk of using "doubletaps" in a home defense situation is kind of scary. You are not the SWAT team or an avenging angel sent down straight from heaven to smite the bad guys. Most engagements in a home will occur at a range of between 3 to 7 feet and you will only have seconds at most to identify the intruder, determine if they are actually an intruder, determine if they are an imminent danger to yourself and others and engage.

And you obviously, as Mookow pointed out, do not go to a range to practice. And at a range of 3-7 feet, you'd better not miss even if it's your first time handling a firearm.

You almost never want to do anything but fire straight at the center mass and continue firing until the target is not longer a threat. Also using a 308 for home defense is laughable. Every try to corner inside a residence with a rifle?? It sucks. Also, just about any type of rifle ammunition will go right through most walls and could hit someone else in the home or one of your neighbors and the consequences of that would be staggering. The best weapon for home defense is a shotgun followed by a handgun with the appropriate ammo.

And where the hell did I say that I bought a hunting rifle and ammo for the purpose of home defense? Better rethink trying that Mensa quiz a little longer there. (Home defense only applies if I'm under constant moose threat.)

Also remember, that the ultimate intent should be to secure your own welfare and that of your family, neighbors etc. If that means taking the opporunity to evacuate the location and call 911, by all means do it rather than trying to prove how cool you are with your gun.

Gee, something fell over in the kitchen. Rather than go out there and risk confrontation, let's call 911 and get out of the house. Then when it's a subway vibration that knocked a glass off, or a mouse or something, we can look really intelligent. Never mind that getting out of your house in mid-December or any winter month requires heavy clothing.

- M4H

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: justint

HELLO PEOPLE. Real life is not =CS. Shooting people in the legs, winging them, warning shots, etc. is just bound to get you killed. Also, a complicated two rounds to the chest followed by two rounds to the head combination is not feasible for most people. Talk of using "doubletaps" in a home defense situation is kind of scary. You are not the SWAT team or an avenging angel sent down straight from heaven to smite the bad guys. Most engagements in a home will occur at a range of between 3 to 7 feet and you will only have seconds at most to identify the intruder, determine if they are actually an intruder, determine if they are an imminent danger to yourself and others and engage.

You almost never want to do anything but fire straight at the center mass and continue firing until the target is not longer a threat. Also using a 308 for home defense is laughable. Every try to corner inside a residence with a rifle?? It sucks. Also, just about any type of rifle ammunition will go right through most walls and could hit someone else in the home or one of your neighbors and the consequences of that would be staggering. The best weapon for home defense is a shotgun followed by a handgun with the appropriate ammo. Also remember, that the ultimate intent should be to secure your own welfare and that of your family, neighbors etc. If that means taking the opporunity to evacuate the location and call 911, by all means do it rather than trying to prove how cool you are with your gun.

Most people do not go to the range. Most people to not go to the range weekly. Most people do not practice firing until the "complicated" Mozambique drill takes the same (or less) time as firing 3 rounds inside the 9 ring. This is true. However, given a decent amount of training and practicing on a semi-regular basis (once a month), it is very doable). All you do is let the recoil of shot #1 drive your aim up a little, fire shot #2 at a point 2-4 inches higher than shot #1 went in (it doesnt have to be perfect, just as long as you are not firing into the same wound channel), then you fire at a different aim point (usually the head) if your first two rounds do not have the desired effect (this being known as the "failure" variation of the Mozambique)... most people just fire that 3rd round anyway, and I'm pretty much in the habit of that myself, as targets at the range with two holes in them dont show much more for effect. Considering I usually use a 45, the impact of shot #1 and shot #2 usually give you enough time to aim shot #3 pretty well. The only reason you usually wouldnt want to fire the third shot is in cases where you are worried about running out of ammo, and since burglars usually dont travel in groups of 4+, that shouldnt be a problem.

Frankly, I see no reason why someone shouldnt double tap in a home defense scenario, as long as they arent trying to put them both in the head. It goes pretty well with your beliefs, except that the second shot is automatic. Then, you evaluate whether further shooting is necessary. Given people with just some training, double taps are probably the better option. The cops where I live are taught to shoot for the CM until the threat from that target is elminated. Even on the range, with a pucker factor of 0, this results in cops opening up like they are carrying a Glock 18, consequently they soon have an empty clip. The other result of this is very few to no holes in or close to the CM. This is a rather dangerous situation to be in... an empty weapon and a still functioning adversary. Now, if you have a 22 or some similar low powered pistol, opening up until the target is down/the clip is empty is probably your best move. But with a higher powered pistol, the little pause between rounds 2 and 3 helps you to get your aim back on target.

I agree w/justint.

For home defense KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is the best way to go. Odds are it's gonna be dark, yer gonna be scared and the adreniline<sp?> is gonna be high so keeping a steady aim will be unlikely. It's also gonna be close quarters where the intruder is going to be able to close ranks very fast. Controlled shooting to CM is the safest way to go, IMO. Yes the doubletap is cooler, and might impress the local PD guys at the scene, but in already dangerous, unpredictable, and stressful situation I don't think you need to complicate things anymore than they already are. Controlled shots into CM until the intruder is stopped is simple and easy.



Lethal

 

[TNTrulez]

What's the minimum age in CA so that you can go buy a handgun?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
I agree w/justint.

For home defense KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is the best way to go. Odds are it's gonna be dark, yer gonna be scared and the adreniline<sp?> is gonna be high so keeping a steady aim will be unlikely. It's also gonna be close quarters where the intruder is going to be able to close ranks very fast. Controlled shooting to CM is the safest way to go, IMO. Yes the doubletap is cooler, and might impress the local PD guys at the scene, but in already dangerous, unpredictable, and stressful situation I don't think you need to complicate things anymore than they already are. Controlled shots into CM until the intruder is stopped is simple and easy.

Lethal

My point here is that the Mozambique drill IS simple. Two shots to the CM, letting your second one be higher slightly due to the recoil. Evaluate. Fire again if necessary, but aim your shot to a different location. When used with a 45, which was issued to stop/knock over a charging, drugged up (on opium) man who has wrapped himself in what amounts to a full body tourniquet and has a machete, its a rather effective method. Even when used with a 9mm, two hits, CM, with (since I can find specs easily for it) Corbon +P 115gr JHP delivers over 900lbs-ft, gross (we'll assume the rounds exit the body and so you only hit with 700lbs-ft). That will, even for a big guy, slow him down. At truly close range, where you are effectively shooting your opponent off the end of your gun, yes, opening up like you're using belted ammo instead of a magazine, and continuing to fire until your opponent is down, is something I cant argue with. To quote on of the "rules of gunfighting" (which, yes, I know was not an totally serious list): "Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty. "

I may have the advantage of being a big guy, and all other things being equal, a bigger person will handle recoil better. But, a double tap at close range is not the worlds hardest action. Quickly unclasping a bra strap with only your left hand while still kissing the girl and effectively using your right hand somewhere else is WAY higher on that list.

If you have tried the mozambique drill and found it overly complicated, well... you'd be a rarity. When I say try, however, I mean run through 10 magazines or so, not attempt it once and give up. Once you have it down, as long as you practice it now and again, its second nature.

EDIT: I dont even know if the local PD would be able to tell that it was a double tap without you telling them, unless your neighbors hear the two shots and notice that they were right on top of each other.

 

[TNTrulez]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
I agree w/justint.

Lethal

I may have the advantage of being a big guy, and all other things being equal, a bigger person will handle recoil better. But, a double tap at close range is not the worlds hardest action. Quickly unclasping a bra strap with only your left hand while still kissing the girl and effectively using your right hand somewhere else is WAY higher on that list.

q]

:Q

Hahah that part about the bra and hand got my attention. . .

So what's the minimum age to own a gun in CA?

 

[deerslayer]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium
We keep saying a guy is gonna break in. Women can be crazy too!

Hey, I mentioned that. And apparently, bleckywelcky's wife is going to rape my house. Frightening. :Q

Lynx01 - good choice. They say nothing gets an intruder scurrying out of a house faster than hearing someone loading a couple shells.

rofl ... headshots, CS, and l4m0rs - oh my! I highly doubt that even half of you could squeeze off 3 rounds without dropping the gun due to recoil, let alone go for and get the proper "two in the chest, one in the head" hit pattern.

- M4H

No kidding. Almost everyone can identify the sound of someone pumping a shotgun, and if they don't, at a range of 3-7 feet it's going to make a he11 of a mess!

A woman I used to work with told me her husband had a shotgun in the house and told her if there was ever an intruder when he wasn't home to butt the shotgun up against the wall, point it at the intruder, and pull the trigger.

 

[NARtheWang]

If someone enters my house unexpectedly they shoud expect AT LEAST 1 shot to fly past them otherwise;
I may have to use something from my sword Collection...
People that steal need to be set straight the first time otherwise it may happen again...
perhaps we should follow muslim teaching and cut off their hand!

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
I agree w/justint.

For home defense KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is the best way to go. Odds are it's gonna be dark, yer gonna be scared and the adreniline<sp?> is gonna be high so keeping a steady aim will be unlikely. It's also gonna be close quarters where the intruder is going to be able to close ranks very fast. Controlled shooting to CM is the safest way to go, IMO. Yes the doubletap is cooler, and might impress the local PD guys at the scene, but in already dangerous, unpredictable, and stressful situation I don't think you need to complicate things anymore than they already are. Controlled shots into CM until the intruder is stopped is simple and easy.

Lethal

My point here is that the Mozambique drill IS simple. Two shots to the CM, letting your second one be higher slightly due to the recoil. Evaluate. Fire again if necessary, but aim your shot to a different location. When used with a 45, which was issued to stop/knock over a charging, drugged up (on opium) man who has wrapped himself in what amounts to a full body tourniquet and has a machete, its a rather effective method. Even when used with a 9mm, two hits, CM, with (since I can find specs easily for it) Corbon +P 115gr JHP delivers over 900lbs-ft, gross (we'll assume the rounds exit the body and so you only hit with 700lbs-ft). That will, even for a big guy, slow him down. At truly close range, where you are effectively shooting your opponent off the end of your gun, yes, opening up like you're using belted ammo instead of a magazine, and continuing to fire until your opponent is down, is something I cant argue with. To quote on of the "rules of gunfighting" (which, yes, I know was not an totally serious list): "Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty. "

I may have the advantage of being a big guy, and all other things being equal, a bigger person will handle recoil better. But, a double tap at close range is not the worlds hardest action. Quickly unclasping a bra strap with only your left hand while still kissing the girl and effectively using your right hand somewhere else is WAY higher on that list.

If you have tried the mozambique drill and found it overly complicated, well... you'd be a rarity. When I say try, however, I mean run through 10 magazines or so, not attempt it once and give up. Once you have it down, as long as you practice it now and again, its second nature.

EDIT: I dont even know if the local PD would be able to tell that it was a double tap without you telling them, unless your neighbors hear the two shots and notice that they were right on top of each other.

I'm not saying it is hard, I'm saying it's harder than controlled shooting to CM until the attacker is stopped (and/or yer outta ammo). For someone who goes to the range and practices everynow and then so the "shoot, shoot, pause/evaluate, headshot if needed" action feels normal to them thats one thing. But I dare so most people who bought firearms for home protection don't go to the range very much. Heck, they've seen enough movies and TV shows to know how to shoot, right?

The last thing you want is for someone who's scared to death to overthink the situation and freeze-up. Maybe I'm not giving the average homeowner enough credit... I guess I've run into too many stupid people in my life.


Lethal

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

I'm not saying it is hard, I'm saying it's harder than controlled shooting to CM until the attacker is stopped (and/or yer outta ammo). For someone who goes to the range and practices everynow and then so the "shoot, shoot, pause/evaluate, headshot if needed" action feels normal to them thats one thing. But I dare so most people who bought firearms for home protection don't go to the range very much. Heck, they've seen enough movies and TV shows to know how to shoot, right?

The last thing you want is for someone who's scared to death to overthink the situation and freeze-up. Maybe I'm not giving the average homeowner enough credit... I guess I've run into too many stupid people in my life.
Lethal

Speaking of which, you dont actually have to reload a firearm except when you feel it will gain you style points, right?

 

[LuNoTiCK]

Some of you are hilarious.

What would be the best way to get a gun and license in New York City.

 

[Graphicd00d]

Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
Some of you are hilarious.

What would be the best way to get a gun and license in New York City.

Good luck. If I can remember, you can't get a gun in NYC unless you can prove to the police you have a need to have one. I might be wrong. Check with maybe a local gun shop or shooting range for info.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Graphicd00d

Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
Some of you are hilarious.

What would be the best way to get a gun and license in New York City.

Good luck. If I can remember, you can't get a gun in NYC unless you can prove to the police you have a need to have one. I might be wrong. Check with maybe a local gun shop or shooting range for info.

Pretty much correct. In Kalifornia you have to be 21 to get a handgun. And starting in January you have to register it and be fingerprinted and wait something like 20 days before you can get it.

In Massachusetts you can only buy "approved" pistols.

 

[tcsenter]

What would be the best way to get a gun and license in New York City.

BWAHAHHHAHA! Oh...wait...you're serious? Ok, well, there are a few ways.

If you're an average person with no political connections or money:

You can apply, submit to a background check, provide three references, show your proof of requisite firearms training, pay the application fee, then wait a minimum of six months, but more likely a year, in some cases 18 months, to be denied...and you WILL be denied. But thanks for the application fee!

If you're a member of organized crime:

Just pull your organized crime strings within the NYPD and they'll deliver your permit where ever you like. There was an actual incident where some disgruntled fool tried to kill a ranking organized crime member, and his body guards shot the guy dead. It was later revealed that all of them had valid pemits to carry a handgun in NY, as not a single one of them were arrested for possessing or carrying handguns.

If you're wealthy:

There is no overt permit for fee going on, you'll have to start throwing large sums of money, usually political campaign donations, towards the police chief, mayor, a judge, or some district attorney. Once you're "in" with them and they're eager to show their appreciation, you can call in a favor with one or more of them. They have the leverage and connections to get it done.

Good luck!