A person breaks into your house....

[Beau]

Originally posted by: bleckywelcky

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
He can't, but his family can.

SoCal is probably the worst place to live in when it comes to sh*t like this. They are so d**n liberal and PC that they bend so far over protecting the criminal that they punish the victim.

Lethal

:Q And I thought Canada sucked for that kind of crap!

Sorry, but if your (husband/son/brother/wife/daughter/sister/cousin/etc) breaks into my house with a weapon intending to (rob/kill/rape) (me/my house/my family) - they just forfeited their rights. I will shoot. If they're smart enough to drop the gun and beg for mercy - I'll just hold them at riflepoint until the police arrive. Other than that, cry me a river and throw flowers.

Hippies.

- M4H

Yes Alec, I'll take wife, rape, and my house for $400.

The answer is: Your wife rapes my house.

What is: What happens right before Merc shoots?

Ding ding ding ding, that is correct.

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ROFL

 

[bleckywelcky]

Originally posted by: vash
Here's what I've been told by someone who applied for law enforcement (who came from a military background).

Lets saw someone breaks into your house and you own a firearm. You are able to fire on this person within a certain distance (why that matters is beyond me). If you are say, 20-30 feet from the person and fire, that is illegal b/c you are not certain if they are holding a firearm themselves, have more than one person, etc. Say, you are 10 feet from the person, you have a much better assesment of the situation b/c you can see better what kind of weapon (if any) they are wielding and have a plausible reason for shooting them (say, in self defense -- they jumped at you). Also, it depends on where you shoot them. If you shoot them, in the head at say 2-3 feet (ballistics can tell), they consider you out to kill and killed the perp (even if you didn't mean it). At <10 feet and you shot at the chest with 2-3 shots, then you certainly can be seen as protecting yourself more than trying to actually kill someone.

Now this makes sense to me and I see it all as possible. Its unfortunate that we don't have an ATOT lawyer here, that *could* possibly shed some light onto this subject (even if its just one state they practice in).

vash

Um, even at 10 feet I will be going for a head shot, I may miss the first 2 or 3 times, but I suspect that if I send a barrage of 6 or 7 or more that a couple of them will get them in the neck/head area. And I'll empty the remaining of my clip or perhaps just pick up another loaded gun and put another 10 or so shots into them as they are falling, just to make sure they are dead. And if someone is 30 feet away from me in my house, and I yell at them asking them wtdfh they think they are doing in my house, and they start coming at me, you can guarrantee that I'll be pumping clips at them by time they get to 25 feet, not waiting for them to get 10 feet away from me so they can shoot me, throw a knife at me, or lunge at me.

Edit: Obviously this is if you have already determined that the person is not anyone you know, and they are rummaging around and taking stuff, destroying things, etc. It would be kinda mean for your kid to go get a glass of milk and you come after him yelling expletives and wielding pistols in your hands.

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[scorp00]

Originally posted by: vash
Here's what I've been told by someone who applied for law enforcement (who came from a military background).

Lets saw someone breaks into your house and you own a firearm. You are able to fire on this person within a certain distance (why that matters is beyond me). If you are say, 20-30 feet from the person and fire, that is illegal b/c you are not certain if they are holding a firearm themselves, have more than one person, etc. Say, you are 10 feet from the person, you have a much better assesment of the situation b/c you can see better what kind of weapon (if any) they are wielding and have a plausible reason for shooting them (say, in self defense -- they jumped at you). Also, it depends on where you shoot them. If you shoot them, in the head at say 2-3 feet (ballistics can tell), they consider you out to kill and killed the perp (even if you didn't mean it). At <10 feet and you shot at the chest with 2-3 shots, then you certainly can be seen as protecting yourself more than trying to actually kill someone.

Now this makes sense to me and I see it all as possible. Its unfortunate that we don't have an ATOT lawyer here, that *could* possibly shed some light onto this subject (even if its just one state they practice in).

vash

So your saying that someone should shoot an intruder in the chest a few times so that he might survive and shoot you in return?

If anyone breaks into my place, i'm assuming that they are armed and i'm shooting to kill.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: bleckywelcky

Originally posted by: vash
Here's what I've been told by someone who applied for law enforcement (who came from a military background).

Lets saw someone breaks into your house and you own a firearm. You are able to fire on this person within a certain distance (why that matters is beyond me). If you are say, 20-30 feet from the person and fire, that is illegal b/c you are not certain if they are holding a firearm themselves, have more than one person, etc. Say, you are 10 feet from the person, you have a much better assesment of the situation b/c you can see better what kind of weapon (if any) they are wielding and have a plausible reason for shooting them (say, in self defense -- they jumped at you). Also, it depends on where you shoot them. If you shoot them, in the head at say 2-3 feet (ballistics can tell), they consider you out to kill and killed the perp (even if you didn't mean it). At <10 feet and you shot at the chest with 2-3 shots, then you certainly can be seen as protecting yourself more than trying to actually kill someone.

Now this makes sense to me and I see it all as possible. Its unfortunate that we don't have an ATOT lawyer here, that *could* possibly shed some light onto this subject (even if its just one state they practice in).

vash

Um, even at 10 feet I will be going for a head shot, I may miss the first 2 or 3 times, but I suspect that if I send a barrage of 6 or 7 or more that a couple of them will get them in the neck/head area. And I'll empty the remaining of my clip or perhaps just pick up another loaded gun and put another 10 or so shots into them as they are falling, just to make sure they are dead. And if someone is 30 feet away from me in my house, and I yell at them asking them wtdfh they think they are doing in my house, and they start coming at me, you can guarrantee that I'll be pumping clips at them by time they get to 25 feet, not waiting for them to get 10 feet away from me so they can shoot me, throw a knife at me, or lunge at me.

Edit: Obviously this is if you have already determined that the person is not anyone you know, and they are rummaging around and taking stuff, destroying things, etc. It would be kinda mean for your kid to go get a glass of milk and you come after him yelling expletives and wielding pistols in your hands.

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You would go for a head shot at ten feet?? That is interesting. You may mis the first 2 or 3 times? You do remember that this person is in your HOUSE. Are you using a handgun, rifle, shotgun? Do you always load your home defense weapons with highly frangable rounds?

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
*BLAAM* "Don't move or I'll shoot!" "...I always get that backwards..."

rofl

 

[slycat]

in the first plaCE...who the heck breaks into a place unarmed?

 

[acidvoodoo]

dam, i'm scared, all these people shooting to kill, i live in england where handguns are illegal, so this is suprising to me.


but....................

if i had a gun, and someone broke into my house, and i saw they had a weapon (which tends to mean they are prepared to use it) i would shoot, as long as i was sure they were foe. i wouldn't try to kill them though, unless say, they jumped out behind me and hit me with something, or shot at me first. maybe a shot to the legs or something to disable them until the police arrive

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: bleckywelcky

Originally posted by: vash
Here's what I've been told by someone who applied for law enforcement (who came from a military background).

Lets saw someone breaks into your house and you own a firearm. You are able to fire on this person within a certain distance (why that matters is beyond me). If you are say, 20-30 feet from the person and fire, that is illegal b/c you are not certain if they are holding a firearm themselves, have more than one person, etc. Say, you are 10 feet from the person, you have a much better assesment of the situation b/c you can see better what kind of weapon (if any) they are wielding and have a plausible reason for shooting them (say, in self defense -- they jumped at you). Also, it depends on where you shoot them. If you shoot them, in the head at say 2-3 feet (ballistics can tell), they consider you out to kill and killed the perp (even if you didn't mean it). At <10 feet and you shot at the chest with 2-3 shots, then you certainly can be seen as protecting yourself more than trying to actually kill someone.

Now this makes sense to me and I see it all as possible. Its unfortunate that we don't have an ATOT lawyer here, that *could* possibly shed some light onto this subject (even if its just one state they practice in).

vash

Um, even at 10 feet I will be going for a head shot, I may miss the first 2 or 3 times, but I suspect that if I send a barrage of 6 or 7 or more that a couple of them will get them in the neck/head area. And I'll empty the remaining of my clip or perhaps just pick up another loaded gun and put another 10 or so shots into them as they are falling, just to make sure they are dead. And if someone is 30 feet away from me in my house, and I yell at them asking them wtdfh they think they are doing in my house, and they start coming at me, you can guarrantee that I'll be pumping clips at them by time they get to 25 feet, not waiting for them to get 10 feet away from me so they can shoot me, throw a knife at me, or lunge at me.

Edit: Obviously this is if you have already determined that the person is not anyone you know, and they are rummaging around and taking stuff, destroying things, etc. It would be kinda mean for your kid to go get a glass of milk and you come after him yelling expletives and wielding pistols in your hands.

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You would go for a head shot at ten feet?? That is interesting. You may mis the first 2 or 3 times? You do remember that this person is in your HOUSE. Are you using a handgun, rifle, shotgun? Do you always load your home defense weapons with highly frangable rounds?

lol the guys funny, even from games and stuff u learn to do a double tap first 2 in body, thats gotta slow the guy down, then your free to aim for the head aiming for head first is silly

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Unfortunately that's not true. If an intruder is in your house and gets hurt, they can sue you. One of my law professors was reciting this story to me yesterday. A while ago, a burglar tried to rob a home and was shot in the back. Although he was found guilty in the criminal courts, he sued in the civil courts and won. (not sure on the amount)

WTH. If he's dead, he's not going to sue you.
Therefore, drop a clip of 9mm/9x19/.50AE/5.56/7.62 (depending on how extreme you are!) in him, leave the carcass in the living room, and sue his estate for the cleaning bill, property damage, and ammunition.

- M4H

His estate is the problem. They will simply sue you in civil court. Many times (at least here in Texas) the person who kills the intruder will be taken before a grand jury, which will then find them guilty of nothing. That goes a long way toward fighting off a civil lawsuit. YMMV

 

[deerslayer]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Unfortunately that's not true. If an intruder is in your house and gets hurt, they can sue you. One of my law professors was reciting this story to me yesterday. A while ago, a burglar tried to rob a home and was shot in the back. Although he was found guilty in the criminal courts, he sued in the civil courts and won. (not sure on the amount)

WTH. If he's dead, he's not going to sue you.
Therefore, drop a clip of 9mm/9x19/.50AE/5.56/7.62 (depending on how extreme you are!) in him, leave the carcass in the living room, and sue his estate for the cleaning bill, property damage, and ammunition.

- M4H

I prefer my 12gauge

 

[MigAce312]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
THe beauty of living in Texas is that you are allowed to use deadly force to protect your property when it is dark.......this basically means that it really doesn't matter where the bullet hits the bastard (eg. the back) and it is not necessary to be within your abode (eg. the middle of trhe street is fine). This law has been tested time and time again and the law has always sided with the homeowner/victim and not the perp......what a great state!

Very true...I heard a story about a tow truck driver that worked for a repo company. The tow truck driver was taking the car and the owner thought it was being stolen. Unfortunately for the tow truck guy, the owner of the car was a sniper. The owner of the car shot the tow truck driver in the head from a block away with his rifle. And of course, since it was in Texas, the owner was found innocent and wasn't charged for anything (this story came from my teacher who lived in Texas.)

So if your in Texas, you have a "License to Kill"

 

[bleckywelcky]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
lol the guys funny, even from games and stuff u learn to do a double tap first 2 in body, thats gotta slow the guy down, then your free to aim for the head aiming for head first is silly

Yeh, you guys are probably right. I was just responding to the guy that said if it was a headshot then the police might try to charge you since they think you were trying for an execution or something. In all reality I would probably just pick up two pistols (or one rifle or a shotgun or something) and just start firing away into the guy wherever I could get a hit. After both clips were empty I would make sure that he is down (and reload if he is still trying to get up and come at me) and then call 911.

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[narzy]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
If the armed intruder was found dead, shot in the back, you would have some questions to answer.

ok what if you see the wepon first, what are you going to do, say "HEY!" get him to swing around and blast you in the chest.?

 

[MigAce312]

Originally posted by: LyNx01

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Unfortunately that's not true. If an intruder is in your house and gets hurt, they can sue you. One of my law professors was reciting this story to me yesterday. A while ago, a burglar tried to rob a home and was shot in the back. Although he was found guilty in the criminal courts, he sued in the civil courts and won. (not sure on the amount)

WTH. If he's dead, he's not going to sue you.
Therefore, drop a clip of 9mm/9x19/.50AE/5.56/7.62 (depending on how extreme you are!) in him, leave the carcass in the living room, and sue his estate for the cleaning bill, property damage, and ammunition.

- M4H

I prefer my 12gauge

man...that gives a new meaning to the name "RAMBO"......might as well make your front yard a mine field full of trip wires and c4 all over the place. Also, put a turret on your roof and maybe a tomahawk incase the intruder is getting away in a car. Oh, and if hes running, just let him have a stinger missle.....

 

[Mill]

We keep saying a guy is gonna break in. Women can be crazy too!

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Considering that both my guns are rifles. If I were to choose one for self defense it'd probably be the 30.06, because one shot is all you need. I've seen what the rounds do to game, regardless of where it hit the shot has a high likelyhood of being fatal from blood loss alone. My other rifle is a .22, that's not likely to stop someone quickly unless I manage to unload the entire 30 round clip in 15 seconds. The upside of the .22 over the 30.06 is that it's less likely to keep going after the target has been hit.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Millennium
We keep saying a guy is gonna break in. Women can be crazy too!

Hey, I mentioned that. And apparently, bleckywelcky's wife is going to rape my house. Frightening. :Q

Lynx01 - good choice. They say nothing gets an intruder scurrying out of a house faster than hearing someone loading a couple shells.

rofl ... headshots, CS, and l4m0rs - oh my! I highly doubt that even half of you could squeeze off 3 rounds without dropping the gun due to recoil, let alone go for and get the proper "two in the chest, one in the head" hit pattern.

- M4H

 

[gopunk]

these laws are such bullsh!t. there should not be ANY protection offered to intruders.

if i had a gun o) i would open fire once i was positive it wasn't a friend or family member. i'm not going to risk my life, and/or the life of my family members just to appease some STUPID law.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

You'll be suprised how effective pulling the slide on a shotgun is to intruders. Even people that know nothing about guns and have never heard the sound, immediatly recognize the sound of the slide of a shotgun.

My old roommate had someone break into his house, and he(my ex roommate) pulled the shotgun out and cocked it, the intruder was like DON'T SHOOT I GIVE UP.

 

[Quixfire]

In Texas I thought is was shoot him, drag him to the backyard, bury him, and add his weapon to your collection?

I know in Michigan those basturds better be in your house and armed before putting a few holes in them.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
In Texas I thought is was shoot him, drag him to the backyard, bury him, and add his weapon to your collection?

Sounds like my standard introduction to my little sister's boyfriends.

"Hi, I'm Merc. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and a big backyard. You understand me?"

- M4H

 

[LAUST]

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[GoingUp]

My dad asked an officer in Wisconsin, and they said make sure you kill the guy. If he gets out he can sue.

 

[Booster]

Originally posted by: hammer09
i'm in texas so if he had a weapon, I'd shoot immediately.

And what if he's a police detective, FBI agent or whoever? They don't always wear uniform, and not all of them show their tags quick enough. If you shoot such a guy, well, it's going to really suck.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Booster

Originally posted by: hammer09
i'm in texas so if he had a weapon, I'd shoot immediately.

And what if he's a police detective, FBI agent or whoever? They don't always wear uniform, and not all of them show their tags quick enough. If you shoot such a guy, well, it's going to really suck.

Actually, there was a case in TX where some deputies went on a bust, didnt yell "Police" or otherwise ID themselves, the owner killed them both, and was either not tried or found not guilty, I forget which.