A Palin thread from an Alaskan

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Druidx

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Although Alaska does rank #1 in earmark dollars per capita. Ever after Palin rejected the bridge (after she accepted it) and cut a little earmark spending.

I'm glad to see you're concerned about earmarks. You should probably go read this post
CCAGW 2007 Congressional Ratings

For 2007:
Mccain 100%
Obama 10%
Biden 0%

Who is it you're voting for again? Obama.
So obviously you don't care about earmarks.
I guess it proves you're a hypocrite all the way around, in your signature and post.
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.

Even if it were from an email, would it make it any less valid?



No, nothing could make this less valid. It is crapaganda at its stinkiest.

Didn't you just call someone out for trolling in another thread?




Uh, Yes; and that's exactly what I'm doing here: calling out a Pro-Palin Troll.
 

Moonbeam

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Let me make my point even more obvious.

SP and Obama differ in one fundamental way. SP is a political unknown who has no national exposure and no experience. She was not vetted in any way at all by the American people or even her own party. She won an election if an unpopulated state.

Obama beat Hillary Clinton to become the nominee of the party. Millions of democrats decided he was our best choice. One Republican picked Palin, a Republican who just before was running on experience and is now running on change. You partisan bastards are blind and can't think. Palin, an untested nobody, was chosen by the moron who claims to have judgment, but she was picked just on the possibility she could help him win. What kind of an asshole picks an unvetted unknown at the age of 71.

This was terrible judgment and only an idiot would argue differently. It makes not the slightest difference of Palin is God herself. We don't know who she is but we may have a real pig in office if McCain croaks. You have to not give a fuck about your country to support that ticket. McCain, Obama and Biden are fully vetted.

Palin is a wild hair up the ass.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
Third, she may be a nobody to you, but certainly not to the 47th least populous state in the USA.
Fixed.

Although Alaska does rank #1 in earmark dollars per capita. Ever after Palin rejected the bridge (after she accepted it) and cut a little earmark spending.

Per capita. We get earmarked dollars.

Why does it matter if she accepted it? You keep brining it up. She accepted it, then it became a huge project and we decided we didn't want it, with its inflated budget. She then turned it down.

Do you think it costs any less to, for example, to build the same road to connect two cities that have 50,000 residents than it does to build a road that has 1 million residents?

Alaska is a very harsh climate with few residents. Those residents still need infrastructure, and it shouldn't be surprising that A) it costs more for things and B) those things are used by fewer people.

Come up here. Come see what permafrost does to our roads. Come see bridges ruined. Come see the infrastructure it takes to connect the largest state in the US.

How about we base this on earmarked dollars per square mile? Who has the least?
 

PokerGuy

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AOF, your contribution is appreciated, and I do think you can provide a somewhat different perspective than most having lived there.

The frothies will not want to hear any of it though, they are hell-bent on smearing and doing everything try and discredit her. Like anyone, she has + and - to her, but to the frothies all that matters is that she is running on the republican side.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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Originally posted by: Pens1566

Uh, she actually kept the money ....

Yes. Well, she kept it for the state. She didn't cash a check for herself. Although, since she kept the money and spent it on other projects, it isn't really earmarked money, is it?

 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Again, you dismiss her actions as something positive. You state that you don't agree with them but it was the right thing to do.

I find that to be very skeptical.

I'll give you and example of what I am looking for and would appreciate something from you in return in case I am just not communicating my thoughts clearly.

I support Obama in the upcoming election for a number of reasons. One thing that I will never say that I believe he did well on is his caving/flip-flopping on the telecom amnesty in the FISA bill. He did it for political reasons only and did it against the best interests of American citizens. I even wrote his office a letter stating as much.

See, clear example of a position of his I disagree with and I feel a very valid criticism of without making any excuses for him or dismissing the actions.

What are some examples of Palin's that you can give? If you are unable to give more than 2 or 3 when she was on the city council for 4 years, was mayor for 6 years and governor for another couple...well, quite frankly, you're a "homer" and you opinion isn't really valid.

It'd be akin to asking Patriots fans if they will still win the Super Bowl with Brady out for the year. I can guarantee you that 40-50% of them will say yes no matter what.

One of the things I am unsure about is taking her daughter to NY and staying in a $700/night hotel for a convention. I understand it is allowed, but am not convinced it was ethical.

Appointing a former oil company lobbyist to oversea the company they lobbied for (with regards to the oil pipeline.) However, I don't know full details on this.

Making a cabinet position and filling it with a friend. However, is said friend was qualified, I see no real issues. It may have been bad judgement.

Saying she is anti-lobby when she has had lobbyists. Speaking from both sides of her mouth on that issue. There is nothing wrong with having lobbyists and I see no reason for her to spin that.

Flying her family to and from Juneau. I understand she needs to see them, but I don't necessarily think they needed to visit the capitol with her.

She isn't perfect. That is not really what this is about. People are bringing up the "big issues" and I am trying to impart some understanding on those big issues.

I am certainly not a "homer." I didn't even vote for her as governer (I actually didn't vote at all) and I didn't go see her yesterday, even when she was in my home town only 15 miles from my house.

I'm simply tired of people saying ridiculous things about her when they have no understanding. She went to five universities! Ok, if she did, so what? That is common in Alaska.

And could someone please, please tell me why it is so important to travel abroad? Travelling somewhere doesn't make you an expert on foreign policy. More can be learned from reading the CIA world fact book than actually visiting somewhere.

Thank you. You opinion is gaining more validity :)
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
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How about we base this on earmarked dollars per square mile? Who has the least?




We don't do that because square miles don't pay taxes, the people do, silly.

 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Thanks for your insight. I am extremely leery however to take your post seriously because of a lesson I learned a long time ago that has been proven right over and over again...

Never trust someone that is unable to see the negatives.

You dismissed everything that she has done and supported her on every single issue. That to me screams and opinion that is blindly loyal and untrustworthy.
Sounds like just about every person on this board... Damn him to hell!!!!
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Here is a better letter from a Wasilla resident:

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Gov. Sarah Palin since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first-name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99 percent of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice for vice president and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe."

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life." She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her lifestyle ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time) and less than two years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration, most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings, which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her six years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by more than 33 percent. During those same six years, the amount of taxes collected by the city increased by 38 percent. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax, which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefitted large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenue during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list, though ? borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt but left it with indebtedness of more than $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library? No. $1 million for a park. $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex, which she rushed through, on a piece of property that the city didn't even have clear title to. That was still in litigation seven years later ? to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in five to seven years without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as governor Sarah proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenue: Spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was mayor of Wasilla, she tried to fire our highly respected city librarian because the librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the city librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal ? loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop.

As mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's police chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than two dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town, introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal city administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Gov. Frank Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission ? one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil and gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job, which paid $122,400 a year, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this commission (who was also the state chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club," when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Sen. Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects ? which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance ? but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The state party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla, there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either protected salmon streams from pollution from mines or tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on whom you listen to). She has pushed the state's lawsuit against the Department of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as a threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for president; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being president.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
Claim vs. Fact

* "Hockey mom": True for a few years
* "PTA mom": True years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
* "NRA supporter": Absolutely true
* Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, but vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
* Pro-creationism: Mixed. Supports it, but did nothing as governor to promote it.
* "Pro-life": Mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby but declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
* "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
* Political maverick: Not at all.
* Gutsy: Absolutely!
* Open and transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
* Has a developed philosophy of public policy: No.
* "A Greenie": No. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
* Fiscal conservative: Not by my definition!
* Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
* Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
* Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
* Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

Why am I writing this?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name, you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "bad things happen when good people stay silent." Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the city librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

Caveats: I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending and taxation two years ago (when Palin was running for governor) from information supplied to me by the finance director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: Did I adjust for inflation? For population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall ? they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000" up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced, a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-1990s.

Anne Kilkenny

Isn't it amazing you're not banned for yet another repost of that sorry ass letter and the oh so subtle attemtped threadjack.
 

SilthDraeth

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Again, you dismiss her actions as something positive. You state that you don't agree with them but it was the right thing to do.

I find that to be very skeptical.

I'll give you and example of what I am looking for and would appreciate something from you in return in case I am just not communicating my thoughts clearly.

I support Obama in the upcoming election for a number of reasons. One thing that I will never say that I believe he did well on is his caving/flip-flopping on the telecom amnesty in the FISA bill. He did it for political reasons only and did it against the best interests of American citizens. I even wrote his office a letter stating as much.

See, clear example of a position of his I disagree with and I feel a very valid criticism of without making any excuses for him or dismissing the actions.

What are some examples of Palin's that you can give? If you are unable to give more than 2 or 3 when she was on the city council for 4 years, was mayor for 6 years and governor for another couple...well, quite frankly, you're a "homer" and you opinion isn't really valid.

It'd be akin to asking Patriots fans if they will still win the Super Bowl with Brady out for the year. I can guarantee you that 40-50% of them will say yes no matter what.
I will see your disagreement over Obama on the FISA issue and raise you a disagreement!

I disagree with him on gay-marriage. he doesn't support bans against gay marriage, but he does believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman only, and I don't agree with him on that.

There thats 2 things!!! :p

You provide one disagreement, and then ask for more than 2 or 3 in return to prove he is being neutral?

For example, he already stated one, and he didn't make an excuse for her. He stated that an action needed to be done, and he didn't agree with how it was done, and why he believes she did it.

You state Obama did something and you believe he did it for a particular reason.

Both are examples of a fact of an event, and a personal disagreement on the event.

I see no controversy here. Though, yes, Apple's over all opinion of Sarah is positive, it isn't mindless praise. He is bringing to light actual details and points of what he views as positive outcomes for Alaska. Basically saying, she is accused of being all talk, but he has seen that she walks the walk as well, and overall, has benefitted Alaska.

I think Alaskan's should be her toughest critics, and staunchest supporters, and given that she is their Governor, I weigh their opinion higher than I do the rest of the United States, who admittedly are very out of tough with Alaska, that it might as well be it's own country.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.

Even if it were from an email, would it make it any less valid?



No, nothing could make this less valid. It is crapaganda at its stinkiest.

Didn't you just call someone out for trolling in another thread?




Uh, Yes; and that's exactly what I'm doing here: calling out a Pro-Palin Troll.

Have you even read the thread? He's not trolling, he's giving his opinion based on his personal experience. Seems like a pretty good discussion so far.
 

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Originally posted by: Apple Of Sodom
Let me preface this by stating the following:

I was born in Alaska, and have been here over 25 years. I frequently travel, both within the USA, and out of the country.

I am not really a Republican or Democrat. I don't like to align with a single party. I think Bush has screwed this country for the last several years, as well.

I am not really religious. I don't believe in the whole speaking in tongues thing. I don't go to church, although I do believe that there is some higher being, which is probably remnants of going to church as a kid.

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There are a lot of people from outside who only hear the mudslinging and rumors about Sarah Palin. Let's set a couple of things straight.

1) Troopergate. Yes, the trooper involved was her brother-in-law. However, he tased his ten year old step-son. Yes, it was in a controlled environment. However, people do die from tasers and this was terrible judgement from a trooper.

The guy was also a drunk and a terrible officer. Most of us believe Sarah was right in pressuring to have him reprimanded more than he was. When they say the problem was taken care of, they are referring to slapping his hand. That is not enough for us. He needed to lose his job. We aren't talking about a Wal-Mart employee; this is a man that carries a loaded weapon for his job and was seen drinking beer in his patrol car.

As noted, the trooper was previously punished for his indiscretions. Additional punishment may be seen by some as punitive and 'double jeopardy'. It also appears that as part of the 'punishment' privacy rules were broken and workman compensation laws violated. It also looks like Todd had a vendetta and was using his wife's authority (with her permission) to go after this guy.


2) Bridge to nowhere. This whole thing is silly. It started off as a legitmate need to connect a mainland town (albeit small) to the island where their airport is. Sarah initially accepted the money, but then the price of the bridge doubled, and it became ridiculous. Sarah then told congress that if Alaskan's wanted a bridge, they would build it themselves. Did she keep the money? Yes, but it went into other programs. It isn't as if she stole it. We would have been pissed if she just gave it back and didn't pour it into our state.

So yes, she said no to a somewhat good idea that got too big and out of hand. I'm not sure what the controversy is. She said yes to a good idea, that idea got way out of hand and budget, lost popularity with everyone, including her, and she said no.

I understand the issues surrounding the Ketchikan bridge and its purpose. I personally feel it is not our responsibility to tell Alaska what transportation infrastructure they want. The point of the controversy is that the Governor is representing the event in a false fashion. As part of her campaign for governor she supported the bridge. The US Congress stripped the earmark designation for the bridge. And the month before the Governor 'turned down the project' the Alaska DOT recommended that the project be canceled and suggested the ferry as a more prudent option.

This is what the Governor said on September 21, 2007:

""Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer. Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it?s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island. Much of the public?s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened.""

3) She has done a lot for the state. She is regarded as the best governer here in 28 years. She is launching an investigation into why our oil prices are so high, and took state revenue from oil and sent us each $1200 back so we could pay for it. She DOES NOT control the price of oil.

She raised royalty fees and taxes on the oil companies by 9% - maybe that has something to do with the cost of your gas. The State oil royalty payment (coming out this week ??) to citizens is now over $3,200.00 as I understand it.


4) Our previous governer bought a jet. The first thing Sarah did: put the jet on e-Bay. It did not meet reserve prices and the state ended up negotiating a deal to sell it. How many of you would have done this?

The plane was purchased in 2005 for $3.7 million and used 58% of the time to transport prisoners both in and out of state. Yes. Murkowski was wrong in purchasing the jet outside of the legislative budget process. The jet was taken out of service when Palin became governor and sold 6 months later for $3.1 million. Note the variations in the following funding from the Alaska State budget ...


FY 2008 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,965,200

FY 2007 Budget
Inmate Transportation $1,947,500

FY 2006 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,475,700

FY 2005 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,272,500

FY 2004 Budget
Inmate Transportation: $1,731,800

Coincidence? It looks to me like the jet was saving the State of Alaska $500,000.00/yr in inmate transportation costs. Governor Palin has acknowledged the potential need in purchasing another aircraft.


5) Our capital has no roads (I know, it is stupid) and can be reached by ferry or airplane. This is why Murkowski bought himself a jet. At any rate, not only did Sarah sell the private jet, but she flies coach to and from Juneau.

6) She got rid of her personal driver. She saved us money by driving herself to work.

7) She got rid of the family chef. She, or her husband, cook themselves, saving us money.

Ask yourself this: how easy would it have been for her to say "Well, we already bought the jet, and all the other governers get a chef and driver, so I'll just maintain that." ?

I know I would have.

The 'chef' is still employed by the State of Alaska

8) She billed us for travel within the state. This is acceptable. You have to realize how large Alaska is. If we cut Alaska in half, Texas would be the third largest state. There are many, many places in this state only accesible by airplane. And no, Delta doesn't fly there. To fly from interior Alaska to, say Ketchikan, it can take 20 hours of travel. Let me reiterate: we have flights to Germany from here for $900 that take 8 hours. To fly from one Alaska city to another can mean 4 different connections on 4 small airlines, and can cost thousands of dollars for one trip. However, being governer, she is expected to travel and go to these small towns.

9) She billed per diem when she was at home. This is a little iffy. She followed the law though. Her "home" is technically the governer's mansion in Juneau. She chooses to live in Wasilla instead of uprooting her family. Instead of having everything provided in Juneau, she lives at her home at gets reimbursed.

Not only did she bill the State of Alaska a 'per diem' for staying in her own home, she billed the State $43,000+ to transport her husband and children.

10) She is Christian, as is 80% of the US. She goes to church, but never once have I heard her reference god or religion in any decisions she has made for the state.

11) She was "only the mayor of a small town." I've driven through that small town dozens of times. I remember how it was just a blip on the radar several years ago. Since Sarah has become mayor, that small town has boomed. Now it isn't just a blink on your way to another destination; for many, Wasilla is a destination. As a matter of fact, it is a place that attracts a lot of the money makers. They get to live an hour from Alaska's largest city, and can have their home in a small, albeit very nice, town.

The Town of Wasilla as a 'commercial hub' voted in a sales tax increase (I think it took less than 350 affirmative votes.) which the 70,000+ residents of Mat-Su borough now pay when they shop there.

12) She wants to drill ANWR while looking for alternative energy. Look, almost all Alaskans want to drill ANWR, including many native villages. Why?

First, ANWR is a very, very large desolate tundra. Think of Texas, only flatter and with nothing on it. It is not a place worth visiting.

Second, we see pictures. Caribou and other animals flourish around the pipeline. They like the warmth of it. It has not interrupted the migration of animals.

Third, there are ways to drill without disturbing the flora. In winter, they build massive ice roads that support the weight of the vehicles without realling impacting what is beneath.

If you do not want to drill ANWR, please come and see it first. Please come and see our pipeline and our current drilling stations on the north slope, and see the animals that simply walk under a 4 foot wide pipe on their way to their final destination. Come see the bears walking on top of the pipeline, and come see the caribou lying around near it. You will understand that ANWR is not a nice place, and that animals are not disrupted by the small structures we have on the slop.

We don't need more oil. We do, however, need the natural gas from the North Slope. Governor Palin pushed thru legislation that pays TransCanada $500,000,000.00 dollars with no requirement that the gasline be built.


I would be interested in how you feel about the alternative of building the new gasline alone the existing right-of-way of the Alaska pipeline to a new LNG terminal at Valdez. It looks like a much better project for the citizens of Alaska, less expensive and more quickly built, and is better positioned to supply the future energy needs of our country. And beats the crap out of moving all that natural gas thru Canada into Chicago.


Sarah is not perfect. She has made a few mistakes, but she is overall pretty honest. Alaskans love her, and many of them love her so much as governer that they will have a hard time voting for her as VP because it means she leaves us. Sarah doesn't take crap, and isn't bullied. She is a woman who cannot be bought, and it is pretty clear that she does the right thing in most cases.

See bolded. And the question about the new gasline and LNG terminal

Thank you for the time and effort you put into your thoughts .... I appreciate your support for the Governor and hope you get to keep her :)

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Corbett
And like clockwork, jpeyton ignore's the fact that Palin has an 85% approval rating in her home state and finds one of the few people who obviously don't like her.
Every governor would have an 85% approval rating if their sole job was to cash big oil checks and mail hand-outs to the residents while collecting 10 times the per capita average in earmark dollars for her constituency.

Money makes people happy.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Thanks for your insight. I am extremely leery however to take your post seriously because of a lesson I learned a long time ago that has been proven right over and over again...

Never trust someone that is unable to see the negatives.

You dismissed everything that she has done and supported her on every single issue. That to me screams and opinion that is blindly loyal and untrustworthy.
:thumbsup:

And in a true priceless moment, the nuclear glowing fire of an example of what was said bumping the reply.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Corbett
And like clockwork, jpeyton ignore's the fact that Palin has an 85% approval rating in her home state and finds one of the few people who obviously don't like her.
Every governor would have an 85% approval rating if their sole job was to cash big oil checks and mail hand-outs to the residents while collecting 10 times the per capita average in earmark dollars for her constituency.

Money makes people happy.

Really? Would you care to explain why other governors of Alaska never had that kind of approval ratings given the exact same office where it's so easy to do? Hmmmmm?
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Let me make my point even more obvious.

SP and Obama differ in one fundamental way. SP is a political unknown who has no national exposure and no experience. She was not vetted in any way at all by the American people or even her own party. She won an election if an unpopulated state.

Obama beat Hillary Clinton to become the nominee of the party. Millions of democrats decided he was our best choice. One Republican picked Palin, a Republican who just before was running on experience and is now running on change. You partisan bastards are blind and can't think. Palin, an untested nobody, was chosen by the moron who claims to have judgment, but she was picked just on the possibility she could help him win. What kind of an asshole picks an unvetted unknown at the age of 71.

This was terrible judgment and only an idiot would argue differently. It makes not the slightest difference of Palin is God herself. We don't know who she is but we may have a real pig in office if McCain croaks. You have to not give a fuck about your country to support that ticket. McCain, Obama and Biden are fully vetted.

Palin is a wild hair up the ass.
Still wrong. Biden ran for president 2 times, both times people voted for everyone but him.
I guess you could say the democrats two different times loudly proclaimed.....
No Thanks, No way, No Biden.
Yet Obama overruled the voting democrats an put Biden a heart beat away from the presidency. The same person who only got 1 or 2% of the vote when he ran for president.
A few months ago no one liked the idea of Biden becoming President. Now suddenly everyone likes him because the uppity superstar picked him.

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: lupi
If there was any moderation on this forum, you'd be banned for yet another repost of that sorry ass letter and the oh so subtle attemtped threadjack.
For what? Showing an opposing Alaskan view on Palin in "A Palin thread from an Alaskan"?

Seems on topic to me.
 

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: OrByte
SO, is this really from you or is this an email you got?

seriously I'm curious.

Even if it were from an email, would it make it any less valid?



No, nothing could make this less valid. It is crapaganda at its stinkiest.

Didn't you just call someone out for trolling in another thread?




Uh, Yes; and that's exactly what I'm doing here: calling out a Pro-Palin Troll.

Have you even read the thread? He's not trolling, he's giving his opinion based on his personal experience. Seems like a pretty good discussion so far.




Right-o!

"personal" opinions can never be partisan trolling; got it.

:thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: sierrita
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It really matters little who SP is. She is not qualified to be President. She is a nobody from Nome.

Fact that you think a Senator trumps Governor for experience is disgusting. Then again, I never did take kindly to you, maybe it?s to be expected.


Please.

Be honest with yourself for a moment. Do you think this is some sort of game?

Do you really believe that simply because she is a governor that she is automatically more qualified than any U.S. Senator?
Being a governor doesnt automatically make you competent at governing. Gray Davis was governor of Cali, he was recalled. Cali got Arnold Schwartzenegger...alot of people don't think he is very competent. Looking at the current budget crisis in Cali and you might begin to understand why. Arnold can't get the legislature to do anything and his office is basically helpless.

Jesse ventura was governor of Minnesota...does that make him compent enough to be President?

I am sure there are many more examples.

Agreed it doesn't automatically qualify you but there is a pretty good history of Presidents who were former governors.

Thomas Jefferson, Governor of Virginia, 1779-81
James Monroe, Governor of Virginia, 1799-1802
Andrew Jackson, Governor of the Florida Territory, 1821
Martin Van Buren, Governor of New York, 1829
William Henry Harrison, Territorial Governor of Indiana, 1801-13
John Tyler, Governor of Virginia, 1825-26
James Knox Polk, Governor of Tennessee, 1839-41
Andrew Johnson, Governor of Tennessee, 1853-57, Military Governor of Tennessee, 1862-65
Rutherford Birchard Hayes, Governor of Ohio, 1868-72, Governor of Ohio, 1876-77
Grover Cleveland, Governor of New York, 1883-85
William McKinley, Governor of Ohio, 1892-96
Theodore Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1898-1900
William Howard Taft, Governor of the Philippines, 1901-04
Woodrow Wilson, Governor of New Jersey, 1911-13
Calvin Coolidge, Governor of Massachusetts, 1919-20
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1929-33
James Earl Carter, Jr., Governor of Georgia, 1971-75
Ronald Wilson Reagan, Governor of California, 1967-75
William Jefferson Clinton, Governor of Arkansas, 1978-80, 1982-92
George Walker Bush, Governor of Texas, 1995-2000

To cut anyone off I will concede that there is probably an equally impressive list of former Senators. I am just trying to point out that being a governor is sufficient qualification.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

See bolded. And the question about the new gasline and LNG terminal

Thank you for the time and effort you put into your thoughts .... I appreciate your support or the Governor and hope you get to keep her :)

With regards to your comments about the plane, I believe Genx87 completely debunked your theory on that in this thread that you never returned to.

You still havent provided me with any information on the numbers of prisoners transported and the mode of transportation. If in FY 06 they trasnported 1000 prisoners and in FY 07 they transported 2000 prisoners your numbers are meaningless. And if they transported them via bus, ship, or train does that count towards the cost of the plane?

Secondly Murkowski prepared the FY07 + FY06 budget. Any increase was at the hands of Murkowski who was still using the jet. In fact using your numbers the cost of transportation increased from 1.2 million in FY05(the year you claim the plane started to be used) to 1.95 million in FY 07 the last Murkowski budget.

And without having any information on prisoners transported you cant make any claims as to how much the jet truely saved(is anything at all consdiering the high per seat cost). My claim of 115K came from the article I provided. With the numbers provided. It could be higher if multiple marshal flights were conducted. But you wont see me make that claim.

Did you find something new that you neglected to post, or were you just ignoring his rebuttal?
 

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Originally posted by: sierrita
Uh, Yes; and that's exactly what I'm doing here: calling out a Pro-Palin Troll.

Why am I a troll? Just because I am Pro-Palin? Please give an example where I am trolling. Do you know the definition of trolling?

Please, grow up. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else and was coming here to answer questions of those who may be on the fence or who are saying "What? This doesn't make sense."

I came in here trying to help. I have gotten some good arguments andposts from people I don't necessarily agree with.

I don't want to argue with you, or talk about why Palin is the Messiah and Obama is the Anti-Christ.

Please leave, you immature little partisan hack.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
I think personal attacks against this woman by the left are silly (yes I have said some things on here but all in good fun). I don't actually believe she is a bad mother or even a bad person for that matter.

My issue comes down to experience and qualifications. I do not believe being governor of Alaska, perhaps the least relevant state in our nation as far as mainstream America goes, is a good prerequisite for the 2nd highest position in the country. I don't think a woman who has barely visited anywhere else on the globe is going to be able to understand the nuances of foreign politics. Let me be clear, I don't want someone like Bush running this country for the next 4 years. I don't want someone who takes complex foreign matters and turns them into trivial black and white issues. I don't want my leaders to be just like me. I want them to be smarter than me, have more experience than me, have better judgment than me. That's the difference in this election.

With Obama and Biden I know I have two guys that more than meet the prerequisites for running this country. With McCain and Palin I don't have that same feeling.

So you're voting on experience and qualification and that's why you picked BHO over mccain, maybe jesus he is.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: lupi
If there was any moderation on this forum, you'd be banned for yet another repost of that sorry ass letter and the oh so subtle attemtped threadjack.
For what? Showing an opposing Alaskan view on Palin in "A Palin thread from an Alaskan"?

Seems on topic to me.

You posted a chain e-mail...:roll:
 

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All I have to say once more is HOT DAMN!!!!

By the time you read everything posted, and then formulate and post a reply to a previous post, about 15 other posts pop up. This thread grows faster than I can read and respond to it.