A new Rocket attack from Gaza, not good news.

[Lemon law]

For the first time since 8/2009, a fairly large Rocket was fired from Gaza at a major Israeli population centers. While no one was injured there was some property damage, but IMHO, its not good news for an Israeli Palestinian peace process.

Meanwhile Israel is increasing tensions by expelling residents in East Jerusalem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/world/middleeast/31mideast.html?ref=global-home

It may be too early to tell if Hamas approved of the Rocket attack from Gaza or if its the work of a rouge group, but both incidents are bound to to stir up tension and make any peace negotiator's job much harder.

Meanwhile, but not linked in, Saudi Arabia is meeting with Syria to discuss Sunni matters,
while the more nominally Shia Hezbollah is trying to avoid being implicated with the past Assassination of Harri.

 

[PokerGuy]

It may be too early to tell if Hamas approved of the Rocket attack from Gaza or if its the work of a rouge group, but both incidents are bound to to stir up tension and make any peace negotiator's job much harder.

A rogue group would be one thing, but those scary rouge groups are really bad!

 

[Lemon law]

A rogue group would be one thing, but those scary rouge groups are really bad!

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Sadly we can ask, in terms of killing the most people, what is worse, Rouge groups, Hamas, or a big organized group called the Israeli government?

In my humble opinion, all three are rotten, and only represent minority dead end viewpoints.

Putting ants in the pants of any of three is never a good thing. Feeding methamphetamine to extremists with predictable results.

 

[Sinsear]

Israel should fire a few back. Retaliation should be swift and unmerciful.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The peace loving palestinians are just sending tidings of love and joy.
I'm surprised our more liberal posters aren't here complaining that the Palestinians didn't kill any Jews.

 

[irishScott]

Israel should fire a few back. Retaliation should be swift and unmerciful.

Russians tried that in Afghanistan. Radical Islam is radical Islam. The only way to get rid of people who would joyfully blow themselves up is to do it for them at a distance, and en-masse. Unfortunately this would incur civilian casualties, so we don't do it.

 

[woolfe9999]

For the first time since 8/2009, a fairly large Rocket was fired from Gaza at a major Israeli population centers. While no one was injured there was some property damage, but IMHO, its not good news for an Israeli Palestinian peace process.

What are you saying hasn't happened since 8/2009? Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, or just those aimed "at major Israeli population centers?"

Scads of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza into Israel all through 2009 and 2010:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010

- wolf

 

[JSt0rm]

Russians tried that in Afghanistan. Radical Islam is radical Islam. The only way to get rid of people who would joyfully blow themselves up is to do it for them at a distance, and en-masse. Unfortunately this would incur civilian casualties, so we don't do it.

it is the final solution to the problem.

 

[bfdd]

What are you saying hasn't happened since 8/2009? Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, or just those aimed "at major Israeli population centers?"

Scads of rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza into Israel all through 2009 and 2010:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010

- wolf

you know what he means wolf he's just going to spin the other crap

 

[woolfe9999]

you know what he means wolf he's just going to spin the other crap

He can spin however he wants. From time to time I am, for whatever reason, inclined to actually read his posts, which then generally prompts me to check his facts, which in turn generally prompts me to point out his factual "mistakes." LL has a serious issue with facts, even as P&N posters go. He's particularly reckless with them.

- wolf

 

[bfdd]

He can spin however he wants. From time to time I am, for whatever reason, inclined to actually read his posts, which then generally prompts me to check his facts, which in turn generally prompts me to point out his factual "mistakes." LL has a serious issue with facts, even as P&N posters go. He's particularly reckless with them.

- wolf

He'll be the first to scream about other peoples facts as well. I pretty much write off anything he says until you or one of the other posters I respect chimes in or unless I happen to know something about this subject.

 

[JEDIYoda]

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Sadly we can ask, in terms of killing the most people, what is worse, Rouge groups, Hamas, or a big organized group called the Israeli government?

In my humble opinion, all three are rotten, and only represent minority dead end viewpoints.

Putting ants in the pants of any of three is never a good thing. Feeding methamphetamine to extremists with predictable results.

Of course this just plays into what I have been saying and will continue to say....
Even if a peace were to be brokered that included Fatah and Hamas, niethewr group has the ability to control any of the other groups that truly do not want peace in that part of the world.......

Without Hamas and Fatah and all those who might want peace being able to control the frijnge groups....

Israel would be stoopid to agree to a peace that has no guarantees....

Shalom!!

 

[Lemon law]

Of course this just plays into what I have been saying and will continue to say....
Even if a peace were to be brokered that included Fatah and Hamas, niethewr group has the ability to control any of the other groups that truly do not want peace in that part of the world.......

Without Hamas and Fatah and all those who might want peace being able to control the frijnge groups....

Israel would be stoopid to agree to a peace that has no guarantees....

Shalom!!

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Of course the problem with this JediYoda contention is that Israel does not want peace either. They would rather retain the land they captured in the 1967&73 wars, something that Israel cannot legitimately do.

Israeli can't find a way to say no to its extremists and somehow we expect the Palestinians to say no to its extremists while the Palestinians get raped.

IMHO, it just defaults to a critical need for binding third party arbitration to settle these issues fairly.

 

[Kappo]

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Of course the problem with this JediYoda contention is that Israel does not want peace either. They would rather retain the land they captured in the 1967&73 wars, something that Israel cannot legitimately do.

Israeli can't find a way to say no to its extremists and somehow we expect the Palestinians to say no to its extremists while the Palestinians get raped.

IMHO, it just defaults to a critical need for binding third party arbitration to settle these issues fairly.

Your answer is to have a third party "talk" to them? How's that talking thing working out sofar?

 

[Lemon law]

Your answer is to have a third party "talk" to them? How's that talking thing working out sofar?

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Maybe exactly the point Kappo, somehow the larger world clings to the illusion that a mutual Israeli Palestinian agreement would be preferable, but after 62 damn years of total failure futility, its time to shit can that larger world delusion and illusion. After all, for the larger world, the danger is igniting a mid-east powder keg fuse shit hitting the fan. Rather than siding with with one stubborn rascal or the other.

As it is, even if the Palestinians have a legitimate case, Palestinian violence can't ever amount to more than an Israeli annoyance. On the other hand, until Israeli grants justice to the Palestinians, Israel can't ever be a accepted part of the Mid-east.

After 62 years, we are getting no where still.

 

[Freshgeardude]

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After 62 years, we are getting no where still.

LOL no where?

The US, EU, Israel

AND AND AND!!

the ARAB LEAGUE

are calling for DIRECT talks.

62 years and nothing? I see the world finally realizing the palestinians dont want peace.

Even their own "brothers" are tired

 

[Pulsar]

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Of course the problem with this JediYoda contention is that Israel does not want peace either. They would rather retain the land they captured in the 1967&73 wars, something that Israel cannot legitimately do.

Israeli can't find a way to say no to its extremists and somehow we expect the Palestinians to say no to its extremists while the Palestinians get raped.

IMHO, it just defaults to a critical need for binding third party arbitration to settle these issues fairly.

You are hilarious.

I can see that conversation now.

"Hey Israel. Remember when all those folks banded together and attacked you, and you kicked their collective asses?"

"Yeah."

"Well, you have to give the land back that you took from them when they tried to wipe your country off the map."

"Sure. We'll get right on that. *snicker*"

 

[NoWhereM]

Israel has respond to the rocket with missles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100731...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDaXNyYWVsaWFpcnN0

 

[StageLeft]

The situation is that his guns are bigger than mine and he has more of them. We keep our heads down while his troops dig 30 yards of trench a day. When those trenches are 200 yards from the fort and within range, he'll bring in his 15-inch mortars, lob explosive rounds over our walls, and pound us to dust.

 

[Genx87]

Israel has respond to the rocket with missles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100731...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDaXNyYWVsaWFpcnN0

Clearly a human rights violation!

 

[Kappo]

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Maybe exactly the point Kappo, somehow the larger world clings to the illusion that a mutual Israeli Palestinian agreement would be preferable, but after 62 damn years of total failure futility, its time to shit can that larger world delusion and illusion. After all, for the larger world, the danger is igniting a mid-east powder keg fuse shit hitting the fan. Rather than siding with with one stubborn rascal or the other.

As it is, even if the Palestinians have a legitimate case, Palestinian violence can't ever amount to more than an Israeli annoyance. On the other hand, until Israeli grants justice to the Palestinians, Israel can't ever be a accepted part of the Mid-east.

After 62 years, we are getting no where still.

Who says Dems don't have religion? You bow down to that liberal agenda as fast as Monica in the White House.

 

[Lemon law]

Who says Dems don't have religion? You bow down to that liberal agenda as fast as Monica in the White House.

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In terms of being a total pro-Israeli fan clubber, I don't think that can be classified as a Democratic or Republican trait, but rather its a hide bound belief that Israel should win
no matter how many other people are robbed and cheated.

But still in a larger sweep of world History, a mere 62 years is a very short time, and as I said before, until some balance of fairness is established, Israel will find no peace or acceptance in the mid-east.

So maybe we should be asking the larger question, how much longer can 5.5 Jews in Israel keep resisting the weight of 275 million Arabs they are angering with their behavior. In the larger sweep of history, its inevitable that the weight of oil money and Stateless terrorists will over run Israel if they can't find mid-east acceptableness now.

As an Israeli fan clubber, is that Jews being driven into the sea outcome what you want?

 

[nageov3t]

does Egypt even want the Gaza Strip returned to them?

 

[KMFJD]

does Egypt even want the Gaza Strip returned to them?

Does Jordan want the West Bank back?

 

[Double Trouble]

Israel has respond to the rocket with missles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100731...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDaXNyYWVsaWFpcnN0

I don't fault them for retaliating, everyone would do the same, but what's the old saying about "an eye for an eye......"