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[Urinal Mint]

herself:

I don't think most guys are willing to put their 50% into a relationship until they're ready to marry... and even then some guys don't do their share.

Maybe the trick is to more quickly realize those guys that won't do their part... I dunno.

 

[UnixFreak]

<< Yep... asshole. I'm hoping to break the pattern, but what the hell can I do? I don't even see it coming most of the time, >>



Herself:

You should be applauded for being so honest. Rather than denial and rationalization, you know its true. Here is what you do about it, be a b*tch. dont give an inch, and tell guys right up front that you wont take any sh*t. We respect you for it. Look at the guys on this board alone who will drop to their knees, and kiss a girl's feet, what are they doing that you are not? Believe me, for sexual attraction, looks matter to guys. But for anything else, they dont have much to with it. If you are cool, and fun to be around, it doesnt matter. Get a backbone, and you will earn guys respect. Guys like me can sniff out a &quot;wimp&quot; a mile away, you cant give off that impression. Even for the little things, every tiny little thing you do for a guy, that you sacrifice for yourself, shows weakness. And we attack at this sign. So when he says he's going out, and makes it clear he doesnt want you to go, ask him why. If there are girls there, let him know you wont tolerate him cheating on you. Dont let him be freinds with other girls, or flirt in front of you. Let him know you wont take it. you'll win in the end.

 

[kami]

herself, you have to look into an untapped resource. All the kind and generous geeks of the world! Read this

Or just keep dating the @ssholes and go into a neverending cycle of short-term relationships.

 

[herself]

LOL... the guide was cute...

You know the sad thing?? The two serious ones were both geeks... the first was an electrical engineer, and the second was the head internal programer for Earthlink. The second was the real ass... christ, he probably reads here... I never know. Anyhow... he didn't have time to say more than three words a day to me, one of which was always &quot;bitch&quot; - he was too busy being married to EverCrack.

Oh well. One of these days Mr Right will show up at my doorstep... hahha... I love my pipe dreams.

Tamara

 

[b0mbrman]

Hmmm...I've seen a lot of arseholes with really hot girlfriends. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of arseholes dejected and alone.

It all depends, I'm only 21 so I know that a lot of girls my age are still experimenting and the whole &quot;bad boy&quot; idea gets them hot still but it would seem to me that older women grow out of it...

Not sure either way though. Any older women (who once dug the bad dudes)have an opinion about this?

 

[herself]

UnixFreak... geez honey, I must have given you the wrong impression... I'm in NO way a pushover. I have very set limitations on what is and isn't tolerated. It's not that I liet people walk all over me... I'm one of the most assertive people I know... it's just that I'm continually astonished by the level of manipulation some people acheive.

Tamara

 

[Urinal Mint]

<<

<< Yep... asshole. I'm hoping to break the pattern, but what the hell can I do? I don't even see it coming most of the time, >>



Herself:

You should be applauded for being so honest. Rather than denial and rationalization, you know its true. Here is what you do about it, be a b*tch. dont give an inch, and tell guys right up front that you wont take any sh*t. We respect you for it. Look at the guys on this board alone who will drop to their knees, and kiss a girl's feet, what are they doing that you are not? Believe me, for sexual attraction, looks matter to guys. But for anything else, they dont have much to with it. If you are cool, and fun to be around, it doesnt matter. Get a backbone, and you will earn guys respect. Guys like me can sniff out a &quot;wimp&quot; a mile away, you cant give off that impression. Even for the little things, every tiny little thing you do for a guy, that you sacrifice for yourself, shows weakness. And we attack at this sign. So when he says he's going out, and makes it clear he doesnt want you to go, ask him why. If there are girls there, let him know you wont tolerate him cheating on you. Dont let him be freinds with other girls, or flirt in front of you. Let him know you wont take it. you'll win in the end. >>


Jesus Christ, this is bordering on sick and twisted now... you're telling her not to trust a guy? Most guys (I'm not saying all, because I have friends that need hound-dogging) don't need to be interrogated Gestapo-style every time they're going outside of a girl's sight.

My point here is that if two people really know and care about one another, there's no reason for this &quot;you best not be cheatin' on me&quot; BS. The girl I went out with last week is pulling this bitch BS on me now, and now that she hasn't returned a phone call from this weekend, she can kiss my ass. Time to move on to greener pastures while she wonders why her bitch tactics didn't work with me.

The more I argue with UF the more I realize we're arguing the same point, but with different goals. He wants to get laid, and I want a meaningful relationship... nothing is wrong with either, really, if that's what makes you happy.

 

[herself]

goshdarnindie.... geez, what a name.

Yes, my name is Tamara. Pronounced Tum-Air-Uh. Not Tuh-Marr-Uh or Tam-Uh-Ruh.

Am I hot? I think that's subjective. I guess I could provide a picture...
http://www.geocities.com/taylinrose/nya.jpg

Tamara

 

[goshdarnindie]

nice pic, I like the tounge(sp?) sticking out thing
[edit] LINK REMOVED BY REQUEST OF PROPERTY RIGHTS OWNER [edit]
Well, I don't know you. The Tamara I know is Tam-Uh-Ruh. I know what you mean, engineers are jerks

 

[Urinal Mint]

haha, this engineer is only a jerk when he needs to be.

 

[b0mbrman]

women want arsehole for short term relationships but don't plan on marrying those fu**s

Okay, I don't think that's true.

I don't think women know what they want. Or, perhaps deep down they know what they want but are afraid to admit it.

Say, for example, that deep down, women want the good-looking, super sexy alpha male. They can't go around telling people that because it makes them look shallow and slutty. And so they make up other reasons for liking guys - ie personality, likes babies.

In any case, when a hot guy comes along, they scheme and connive to find ways to rationalize liking him regardless of what kind of person he is -- &quot;I don't just like him for his looks. He's an arse on the outside but I know that deep down, there's a sensitive, caring guy who likes babies&quot;

ok, no more talking out of me...

 

[herself]

ack! I didn't linkify it on purpose! I might be a newbie to this forum, but not to the internet, lol.

Tamara

 

[kassy]

<< Any older women (who once dug the bad dudes)have an opinion about this? >>


As an older broad, I could answer this, but the problem is my answer would only apply to me. How can one person speak for an entire gender or one persons experiences categorize an entire gender ?

 

[Urinal Mint]

UnixFreak has been trying to do that since Friday... fire away!

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

<< To everyone arguing with unixfreak:

give it up...for one thing, he's NOT wrong. yeah, we can argue all day (or weekend, as it is) attempting to catagorize the girls unixfreak gets, but there ARE members of the female gender (women, girls, skanks, sowing the wild oats before settling down-call them what you will) who are attracted to guys who are jerks. The truth is, there is a neverending supply of these girls, including &quot;good&quot; girls who decide to go out looking for a one-night stand after a breakup, fight, whatever. >>



See This goes back to the &quot;Unixfreak is always right&quot; thread.




<<
But really-why bother with all of this. He has his &quot;method&quot;, which will work in many instances (in the right social situations), even on girls who we wouldnt call &quot;skanks&quot; or &quot;sluts&quot;, going through a bad time, wild time, whatever. if you have a girlfriend you can trust, you dont have to worry about her leaving for a one-night stand with the unixfreak's of the world.

(p.s: I happen to think he's a jerk who is setting himself up for a nasty fall...but am i going to insult him beyond that? no. to each his own-and I dont need someone I dont even know judging whether or not I am truly happy with my life)

to unixfreak:

I think that we could approach an ending to this long, admittedly interesting, thread (and the other one) if you were to concede that, while there are indeed two extremes, there is a middle ground that guys and girls can find, and that people often change their viewpoint, if only temporarily, based on events in their lives.

Thank you, thank you-I'm here all week >>



I will not express more because there is no need.

 

[kassy]

<< UnixFreak has been trying to do that since Friday... fire away! >>


Well let me put it this way, you know how some girls are just a step up from your hand, I see UnixFreak as being one step up from a vibrator.
Both are good when thats all you want but sooner or later the novetly of that kind of toy wears off.

 

[Urinal Mint]

<<

<< UnixFreak has been trying to do that since Friday... fire away! >>


Well let me put it this way, you know how some girls are just a step up from your hand, I see UnixFreak as being one step up from a vibrator.
Both are good when thats all you want but sooner or later the novetly of that kind of toy wears off. >>


OMG I am laughing so hard right now aahahahahahah.

 

[goshdarnindie]

Sorry, will unlink shortly! I figured you just forgot.

 

[UnixFreak]

<< He wants to get laid, and I want a meaningful relationship... nothing is wrong with either, really >>



Posted Earlier, but repeated to see if people grasp it the seventh time around.


I hope so. You know, it doesnt just work for getting laid, you need respect in a relationship also. You wont &quot;get the girl&quot; if she thinks of you &quot;like a brother&quot; or a &quot;really good freind&quot;. If you are a bit of a jerk, she will think she &quot;earned&quot; you, or &quot;changed&quot; you in some way, &quot;settled you down&quot; or whatever, and will respect you in your relationship. So nice guys dont win in that way, either, if you are super nice to her when you meet, she is going to think that you are super nice to every girl, and being with you wont make her feel &quot;special&quot;. It makes sense. If you are &quot;unattainable&quot; in some way, that increases your property value, in a woman's eyes. Ask any Honest woman. She'll tell ya.

 

[bigd480]

I've been following this thread and the previous one and both are filled with ridiculous generalizations and stereotypes... however the one below is the one that is probably closest to the truth so i quoted it for those who missed it... I've seen it time and time again where girls will totally rationalize going for the guy who's the 'hottest' or has the most $$$...

in the end i think you get what you ask for: look for shallow qualities and you're doomed to shallow relationships... look past the superficial things and you'll find someone who will also look past the superficial and be attracted to the real you, not the front your insecure ass puts up to hide your vulnerabilities from women...



<< I don't think women know what they want. Or, perhaps deep down they know what they want but are afraid to admit it.

Say, for example, that deep down, women want the good-looking, super sexy alpha male. They can't go around telling people that because it makes them look shallow and slutty. And so they make up other reasons for liking guys - ie personality, likes babies.

In any case, when a hot guy comes along, they scheme and connive to find ways to rationalize liking him regardless of what kind of person he is -- &quot;I don't just like him for his looks. He's an arse on the outside but I know that deep down, there's a sensitive, caring guy who likes babies&quot;

ok, no more talking out of me... >>

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

<<

<< dude don't change yourself for some chick. it's not worth it and later you'll regret it.

Then I guess I will be pretty lonely for a while. Maybe these girls will all grow up soon. Do things change when I get to be about 25 ?? >>


Yes and no. You have to associate yourself with the kind of people you want to be involved with, either through organizations, work, or something else. The bar crowd will always be there. >>



I agree, you never want to change yourself for a woman, not any cercumstances. it always ends up that your miserable because you aren't allowing yourself to be who you really are.

 

[goshdarnindie]

Yea bigd480
If we're talkin' about girls, then I'm with you.

 

[herself]

no, don't worry about unlinking it... it's no big deal... hahha

Tamara

 

[Urinal Mint]

I thought this might help get your point across even better... I think I understand what you're trying to say, but you don't phrase it well. Instead of saying &quot;If you are a bit of a jerk,&quot; I think you should really say &quot;Fvcking stand up for yourself when you need to, and don't be a pushover.&quot; There is a difference. If you truly mean standing up for yourself in front of women, then yeah, I'll agree with you. If you just mean &quot;be an ass to women,&quot; then I still don't believe that's the case all around.

I mean, there are other ways to make a girl feel special than being a dickhead to her and still keeping her around. &quot;Yeah, he's a dickhead to me, but he's still mine.&quot; For some reason that mentality doesn't work.


<< I hope so. You know, it doesnt just work for getting laid, you need respect in a relationship also. You wont &quot;get the girl&quot; if she thinks of you &quot;like a brother&quot; or a &quot;really good freind&quot;. If you are a bit of a jerk, she will think she &quot;earned&quot; you, or &quot;changed&quot; you in some way, &quot;settled you down&quot; or whatever, and will respect you in your relationship. So nice guys dont win in that way, either, if you are super nice to her when you meet, she is going to think that you are super nice to every girl, and being with you wont make her feel &quot;special&quot;. It makes sense. If you are &quot;unattainable&quot; in some way, that increases your property value, in a woman's eyes. Ask any Honest woman. She'll tell ya. >>

 

[obiwaynekenobi]

<<

Herself:

You should be applauded for being so honest. Rather than denial and rationalization, you know its true. Here is what you do about it, be a b*tch. dont give an inch, and tell guys right up front that you wont take any sh*t. We respect you for it. Look at the guys on this board alone who will drop to their knees, and kiss a girl's feet, what are they doing that you are not? Believe me, for sexual attraction, looks matter to guys. But for anything else, they dont have much to with it. If you are cool, and fun to be around, it doesnt matter. Get a backbone, and you will earn guys respect. Guys like me can sniff out a &quot;wimp&quot; a mile away, you cant give off that impression. Even for the little things, every tiny little thing you do for a guy, that you sacrifice for yourself, shows weakness. And we attack at this sign. So when he says he's going out, and makes it clear he doesnt want you to go, ask him why. If there are girls there, let him know you wont tolerate him cheating on you. Dont let him be freinds with other girls, or flirt in front of you. Let him know you wont take it. you'll win in the end. >>



Ok unixfreak I have to disagree. &quot;Don't let him be friends with other girls&quot; that is BS. if a man truely loves the woman that he is with he will not bat an eye to cheat and if she brings it up then he'll know to drop her on her ass. becuase obviously there is something wrong with the relationshop. I know that there are alot of people that feel that it's innapporite to make friends with the oppsite sex? I have friends of the oposiute sex? I'm friends with GirlFriday? does that make me a cheater? Hell no it makes me a friend who enjoys someone elses company. that doens't make it wrong that done's make then exclusive and that doens't mean that it's Cheating. if your married or steady there are some OBVIOUS rules. don't touch don't feel and don't taste and don't tempt yourself. if any man doesn't have this common sense then they need their brains checked out.

all of my friends where I Grew up were female but that doesn't mean that I Was sleeping with them all. heck I was still in high school I felt luck at that point ot HAVE any friends