A new low for the United States. Compare leadership scandals

[DaaQ]

Also that party absolutely did not involve more than alcohol. Pretty evident if ppl are aware of more damning parties.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not everyone hates themselves, no matter how much you preach it. I have allowed myself to love myself even with it's flaws, I do not care what other people think of me. I will do what I need to do to make sure the generation after me, that I didn't want to be made in the first place can attempt to love themselves and not be Narcissistic assholes.

I don't say people hate themselves because I want them to or because I don't know most people don't know or that many many people have all kinds of good things going for them. I am saying that if you are caught in the world of thought, where opposites exist you have internalized the concepts of good and evil, and there is nobody in our culture where conformity is enforced, it is by use of put-downs that enforcement takes root.

Long before we were aware enough to defend ourselves against the insults of others we learned to associate the pain of being put down with normal children's' behaviors. We were taught our that curiosity and questioning authority was not to be done, for many of us that sex is bad, that we must not trust other people, and a myriad other things were out there we need to fear.

So instead of opening like a flower in a world full of wise and kind people, able to explore our infinite inner potential we because like canaries that flit from perch to food like stunted machines. And like a tiger pacing back and forth in his rut after the cage is removed, we live within an invisible prison. The cage is all we know. The love of that cage is narcissism.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dude.... I try to keep it light and positive but in this case seriously just stop reading his posts. It's literally a waste of time he has nothing new to say.

The occasional interesting/thoughtful point that he does make in them is completely negated by all the accompanying psuedo-intellectual nonsense/bull$hit. Until that changes spare yourself.

😉

You've got the light part right, put as for being positive you are anything but. What you basically are is a sniper.

What the fuck do you care if he reads and responds to my posts. At least he has the guts to confront me directly. Stop reading his posts if you can't stand the fact that he responds to my posts. You never fucking take your own advice. Think how many times you have responded. Think how many times you respond to others about me piling on like a two year old. What's that itch you can't seem to scratch? It couldn't possible be feelings of inferiority, rage that your passive aggressive bullying does not have the effect you intend???? No nothing like that you can assure me. Now is your chance. Don't respond to this or any other of my posts or to people who do.

But I doubt you will because it looks for all the world that your real aim is to get your cheep shots in.

 

[pmv]

I really don't understand why this constitutes any sort of 'scandal'. Assuming it's not a matter of breaking COVID lockdown rules? PM can dance, shock horror! Definitely a better mover than Theresa May, that's for sure.

 

[cytg111]

I know the world you see. It's OK. My pompous condescending patronizing holier than you attitude consists only in the fact that while you might one day vastly surpass any wisdom I might have it isn't possible for me to return to your current state of ignorance. It's just the way it is. The road to truth is full of unpleasant facts, at least to the ego, but ends up, so rumors go, much better.

Is a teacher without a class still a teacher?

 

[Jaskalas]

I really don't understand why this constitutes any sort of 'scandal'.

Her behavior is obviously unbecoming. Unsightly. Ghastly even!
What would the Pope say, of such young women possessed by the devil?
Exorcism!!!!
/s

 

[cytg111]

What you see is a human being expressing human behavior fun and hapiness. If you cant identify with that, being human, please turn in your humanity card.

 

[Captante]

You've got the light part right, put as for being positive you are anything but. What you basically are is a sniper.

What the fuck do you care if he reads and responds to my posts. At least he has the guts to confront me directly. Stop reading his posts if you can't stand the fact that he responds to my posts. You never fucking take your own advice. Think how many times you have responded. Think how many times you respond to others about me piling on like a two year old. What's that itch you can't seem to scratch? It couldn't possible be feelings of inferiority, rage that your passive aggressive bullying does not have the effect you intend???? No nothing like that you can assure me. Now is your chance. Don't respond to this or any other of my posts or to people who do.

But I doubt you will because it looks for all the world that your real aim is to get your cheep shots in.

How often have I hesitated to tell you exactly what I think? 😉

I'm not the one who feels the need to put maximum effort into proving how intelligent and superior I am all the time and in the process only makes myself look like a pretentious idiot. (with a bit of unstable mental patient in the mix as well)

I suggest that rather than focusing on me, you address all the negative feelings you have about yourself and constantly project onto others.


EDIT: And I will continue to "respond" whenever and to whomever I feel like doing so and in whatever fashion I feel is appropriate .... if you don't like it feel free to "ignore" me.

 

[Greenman]

Wow. I guess she's supposed to sit in an easy chair and chug pints of beer in defiance of quarantine rules. Or eat chocolate cake for dessert while ordering a missile attack on a country of Brown People to impress an Asian world leader.

She's young. She is having fun. She's allowed.

Be proud, Finland.

All of that is correct, but she should have been discrete about it.

 

[Captante]

All of that is correct, but she should have been discrete about it.

You tell em! 😉

This reminds me of all the lame-o plastic "outrage" when Michael Phelps posted that pic of himself smoking weed.... unless it negatively affected his performance in a meaningful way who the heck cares?

🙄

 

[Greenman]

You tell em! 😉

This reminds me of all the lame-o plastic "outrage" when Michael Phelps posted that pic of himself smoking weed.... unless it negatively affected his performance in a meaningful way who the heck cares?

🙄

Perhaps you don't understand how things work in the political arena. Just take a look at this case. Fun party, followed by calls for drug testing and anger from some of the population. She lost a little credibility, gave her opponents a little ammunition to use against her. It being acceptable or not doesn't enter the equation. The video will be used against her, had she been discrete there would be no video.

 

[Captante]

Perhaps you don't understand how things work in the political arena. Just take a look at this case. Fun party, followed by calls for drug testing and anger from some of the population. She lost a little credibility, gave her opponents a little ammunition to use against her. It being acceptable or not doesn't enter the equation. The video will be used against her, had she been discrete there would be no video.

Valid points however it still seems like "much ado about nothing" to me.

The bigger "problem" revolves around the thoughtless publicity not the "partying" itself IMO.

I'm pretty sure her political opponents are quite pleased with the "low-hanging fruit" she provided them with that video though!

😛

 

[Greenman]

Valid points however it still seems like "much ado about nothing" to me.

The bigger "problem" revolves around the thoughtless publicity not the "partying" itself IMO.

I'm pretty sure her political opponents are quite pleased with the "low-hanging fruit" she provided them with that video!

😛

It's politics, few care about actual facts.
On the plus side, they did manage to elect what appears to be a vibrant young woman as PM. I'd be happy to see a bunch of our octogenarians kicked to the curb.

 

[Captante]

It's politics, few care about actual facts.
On the plus side, they did manage to elect what appears to be a vibrant young woman as PM. I'd be happy to see a bunch of our octogenarians kicked to the curb.

AOC vs MTG or Bobo for POTUS 2028 ?!? 😉

*(You and I both KNOW something like the above IS coming! God help us all!)

 

[Greenman]

AOC vs MTG or Bobo for POTUS 2028 ?!? 😉

*(You and I both KNOW something like the above IS coming! God help us all!)

I'm not an AOC fan at all. Her emotional outburst acts are contrived and poorly conceived.
Full disclosure. Right off hand, I can't think of a congress member I actually approve of. I'm sure there are a few, but they probably avoid the theatrics so they don't get much press.

 

[Pens1566]

Yet another reason why Finland is AWESOME.

 

[Captante]

I'm not an AOC fan at all. Her emotional outburst acts are contrived and poorly conceived.
Full disclosure. Right off hand, I can't think of a congress member I actually approve of. I'm sure there are a few, but they probably avoid the theatrics so they don't get much press.

Actually I agree almost completely.... I do overall like AOC a lot better than the GOP alternative "troll-women" (an extremely low bar!) but the idea of her setting US international policy scares me almost as much as the extremely ignorant and hateful MTG in that roll. (can you imagine?)

 

[Greenman]

Actually I agree almost completely.... I do overall like AOC a lot better than the GOP alternative "troll-women" (an extremely low bar!) but the idea of her setting US international policy scares me almost as much as the extremely ignorant and hateful MTG in that roll. (can you imagine?)

I honestly don't get MTG. It's hard to accept that she's really that stupid, though after interacting with the Q crowd I shouldn't be surprised at all.
It could be an act to make herself appealing to the sub 90 IQ crowd, but that would be an academy award winning performance.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm not an AOC fan at all. Her emotional outburst acts are contrived and poorly conceived.
Full disclosure. Right off hand, I can't think of a congress member I actually approve of. I'm sure there are a few, but they probably avoid the theatrics so they don't get much press.

For someone who had young incel Republicans stalking her in the halls of Congress and taking ass pictures I don’t think she’s the problem

 

[brandonbull]

Someone leaked a tape of the Prime Minister of Finland. Her big scandal, partying with her friends. Someone leaked a tape of Sanna Marin doing a little bump and grind at a party. Her opponents are outraged

Let’s compare that to the leaked tape of our former President bragging about sexual assault. Our former President is caught stealing classified states secrets.

Compared to the United States Finland is a shining example of a government to admire

[MEDIA]

Our current president proudly admitted on video recording that he was involved in a quid pro quo. Joe Biden used his office of the vice president to facilitate private deals for his family with hostile foreign governments and those deals have resulted in enormous financial gains. Pelosi was recently caught using her official position to facilitate private deals for her son as well. Both politicians have been caught trying to cover up those facts.

 

[HomerJS]

Perhaps you don't understand how things work in the political arena. Just take a look at this case. Fun party, followed by calls for drug testing and anger from some of the population. She lost a little credibility, gave her opponents a little ammunition to use against her. It being acceptable or not doesn't enter the equation. The video will be used against her, had she been discrete there would be no video.

She was discrete. It was a private party.

My point was to compare so called scandals and highlight how fucked up this country is.

Finland are relative angles.

 

[pmv]

Finland are relative angles.

Nah, the Angles came from Northern Germany and Denmark, I don't think the Finns are their relatives. Apparently they are relatives of the Estonians, if anyone.

 

[Captante]

Finland are relative angles.

Orly? 😀

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I won't put it into precise language at this point. I only want to modify Moonbeam's analysis without throwing it out with the bathwater.

I only have a suspicion that Righties abjure and condemn the so-called "mainstream" sources like MSNBC because the featured newscasters are often vivacious and intelligent women. They assume that because their own sense of being informed and enlightened involves obtaining the inferences of newscasters grounded in fact (or not grounded at all) and accepting them as is, then everybody on the left can also be defined as a lemming such as themselves.

They have a disdain for AOC because she can produce enlightening lectures to an audience as if she were a PhD delivering to a class of 60. This sort of information delivery is too much above your average Trumper. Add sexism, and they are repelled even more for her unwillingness to take a rear seat in the discussion just because she's a woman. And since their understanding of what it means to be "smart" includes facility to contrive and deceive, they suspect any articulate source of information as equivalent in reliability to their favorite and mendacious sources.

This is all part of a wider stream of sentiment, capability and attitude. They always put the cart before the horse, and they always proceed trying to impose their ideological desires on everyone else without regard to the effect it has on others and the limitations on achieving the goals underlying their vision of the world against the actual, "positive" understanding of how the world works, and how the real world is defined in ways that would make their utopian visions unachievable for the greatest number of people.

They might think Caleigh McEnenny is "smart" and point to her Harvard education, but if the attributes of smartness include honesty, this makes both Harvard and Smack-a-ninny stupid. They always overlook The Stupid.

This cerebral crippling infects our political decisions. There are several reasons that our national elections are so close with results of less than a 10% spread, because everyone has normative ideals of "how things should be" which differ, even within political parties. One could almost imagine that the Founders concept of democratic outcomes broadly accommodated subjective things like whether or not candidates are "liked" to one degree or another. But there is no substitute for a criterion of an electorate with something we must call "perfect information". You can elaborate on your own as to what "perfect information" actually means, but let us entertain that it involves the largest accommodation of relevant facts, the most rigorous and unflawed practical inferences made from those facts, and a general commitment to the Truth above all things.

As for this commitment to the Truth. You cannot be a Truth-Seeker unless you assume that the Truth is absolute in its specification, or that at some point the pursuit of facts and earnest inference will lead you invariably to the Truth. If you do not understand these things, if you can't hold the Truth in regard higher in importance than even your patriotic loyalty to your nation-state, then you do not have any asymptote to Perfect Information.

The American Electorate strays far afield in achieving this Perfect Information on both an individual level and a collective or average level. But the Founders knew this even 240 years ago. Perhaps they conceived of representative bodies of Wise Men under the communication limitations of that particular time and era. There was no telegraph. There was no telephone. Something called a railroad was merely in a developmental state. In that case, the partisan influence of constituents upon partisan legislators would be limited, and the imperative of simply representing the largest possible number of citizens in a congressional district could take precedence over adherence to some ideologically-driven party platform. If only people who could craft polished letters posted by US Mail had more than average influence upon the elected leader, the disruptive or unhelpful pressure of the colossally uninformed would be attenuated.

But nobody anticipated the insane frenzy of people whose literacy only found a home in four-line tweets, or who had no concept of deceitful forces (departing from perfect information), nor any idea as to identifying them.

Thus, we find ourselves in America with an All-Time Low in our Leadership Scandals. We cost ourselves enormous sums just for the extra effort needed to ferret out the Truth, the extra activity in investigating real scandals and deliberating over accountability, and the delays in addressing problems just because the least-informed side of the equation refuses to recognize those problems. As example, the difference between attacking the problem of climate change early enough (how about 20 years ago?), and the waste of money and effort over the hyped-up media campaign and so-called "audit" of the Arizona campaign.

The scandals occur in these depraved manifestations in proportion to the confusion of an electorate, unbridled access the misinformation and the ability to communicate and amplify the nonsense through these newly-evolved mechanisms like the internet and the communication platforms arising along with it.

 

[Captante]

I only want to modify Moonbeam's analysis without throwing it out with the bathwater.

Glutton for punishment I take it? 😉