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A NEW CNN artical on Piracy ...

Digital distribution and streaming are already widespread. Consumers want it. Industry needs to evolve, or perish.
 
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Digital distribution and streaming are already widespread. Consumers want it. Industry needs to evolve, or perish.
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I consider it part of capitalism.
 
Originally posted by: dud
Honestly, what do you think ...

Your opinion really does matter.
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i think your link is the stink. thanks for appreciating my opinion.

now that that's out of the way, piracy only hurts profits when the product is poor and/or undesirable. people that love a movie will buy that movie. studios refuse to admit their sales are dropping because they now have to compete for my dollar.

true story:
my friend (dead ringer for the comic book guy) downloaded a work print of this wolverine movie (very incomplete, with placeholder effects and props, etc.) he's watched it a dozen times, and will go bananas when it's in the theater.

he kinda reminds me of another friend that said "i think the new star trek movie will suck. i'll only see it 3 or 4 times in the theater."
 
" And even studios' attempts at safeguarding their products against piracy, such as by encoding DVDs with digital watermarks that allow authorities to trace individual copies, aren't enough, Sandoval said.

He said tech-savvy thieves have figured out how to strip such watermarks from DVDs."

So instead of just putting a digital watermark on each new copy, why don't they "burn" it into the video's image? They could produce the watermark on the computer, play it through a digital player, and output it back onto a disk. The watermark would then be part of the video stream.
 
Can it be stopped after release , NO. Before release of titles, YES.
I work with people in the industry doing VFX. Normally the security on workprints is very good. To the point that people like me never see the final film till after the release. We get sent only what we need to see to do whatever it is we need to do. So on a 90 minute movie I might get to see 5 minutes of it. Clearly someone screwed up with this movie. I don't have a problem with people who want to download a copy of a movie after it is released, but what happened with wolverine was wrong. People judged the movie on a workprint and then did not go to see the release. That hurts everyone involved in making the film.

The main issue I have with piracy is the people that try to justify it. If you download stuff without paying for it, you are stealing it. You are not entitled to it and it isn't your birth right to have every new movie and mp3 file. Quit trying to rationalize it and admit it.

I downloaded about 15 mp3 songs today off usenet, and yes I stole them. The authors never got a single penny for me downloading them. If I keep them and do not buy the cd I am a thief. If the cd cost too much tough, I'm not entitled to the music just because it cost more than I want to pay.

Just be honest about it.

 
Modelworks, no it is not my right to have every MP3 that's released. By the same token, its not the RIAA's right to have my money for music I listen to. We take what we can get, as do they. Morals have nothing to do with it, as morals are bullshit and cannot be generally applied to everyone, as everyones are different. Point being, these things are occuring, either these companies can evolve and figure out a way to make money off of it (aka being an innovated business) or they can bitch and moan, waste money trying to pay off law makers and eventually perish. This is a fight they WILL NOT WIN. Deal with it. Downloading of products is prevalent and easy. Try to get rid of it all you want, you will have very little success.
 
Originally posted by: LtPage1
What part of "Politics and News" is so difficult to understand? Is it the "News" part?
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What part of cesspool is so difficult to understand? Is it the "cess" part? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Modelworks, no it is not my right to have every MP3 that's released. By the same token, its not the RIAA's right to have my money for music I listen to. We take what we can get, as do they. Morals have nothing to do with it, as morals are bullshit and cannot be generally applied to everyone, as everyones are different. Point being, these things are occuring, either these companies can evolve and figure out a way to make money off of it (aka being an innovated business) or they can bitch and moan, waste money trying to pay off law makers and eventually perish. This is a fight they WILL NOT WIN. Deal with it. Downloading of products is prevalent and easy. Try to get rid of it all you want, you will have very little success.
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I'm not saying they will get rid of it. I'm saying quit trying to rationalize it like you are some Robin Hood character. Someone owns something. They have said what they want for it. You take it anyway. How is that not stealing ?

People sitting on their asses downloading music thinking they are fighting the corporate power are clueless. They are not doing anything but making things harder for everyone. Want to stop the RIAA, send the bands money directly. No band is going to renew a contract with the RIAA if people are paying them directly. Don't like the laws, write your congressman.

 
I think we agree more than we think Model.


My point is that it doesn't really matter what the RIAA wants or how much they want. They aren't and they won't get it. Be it stealing or not, they aren't getting it. As for the rationalization goes, I don't think most people actually care to rationalize it. I think its more along the lines of "I want this, they can't stop me... I don't care of its against the 'law' so is speeding. I'm doing it". Its kind of like in Football, its only holding if you get caught. (Bad analogy, but you get my point).

To elaborate further on another element, if you had a monopoly on grass and I wanted grass for my yard, but you wanted more than I would ever consider paying, what would I do? I have two options. A. I would not have grass. B. I would take it anyway and be damned if you want the money or not, dont like it, stop me. (Thats what the RIAA is doing but failing at).

I think this illustration is best proved by the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't done the research, just what I think I may have heard at one point) record sales aren't really down that dramatically, or at least you cannot find a causation of torrenting causing record sales to go down.



 
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Modelworks, no it is not my right to have every MP3 that's released. By the same token, its not the RIAA's right to have my money for music I listen to. We take what we can get, as do they. Morals have nothing to do with it, as morals are bullshit and cannot be generally applied to everyone, as everyones are different. Point being, these things are occuring, either these companies can evolve and figure out a way to make money off of it (aka being an innovated business) or they can bitch and moan, waste money trying to pay off law makers and eventually perish. This is a fight they WILL NOT WIN. Deal with it. Downloading of products is prevalent and easy. Try to get rid of it all you want, you will have very little success.
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I'm not saying they will get rid of it. I'm saying quit trying to rationalize it like you are some Robin Hood character. Someone owns something. They have said what they want for it. You take it anyway. How is that not stealing ?
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Because it isnt stealing, its copyright infringement. Still a crime, but it is NOT stealing.

 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Modelworks, no it is not my right to have every MP3 that's released. By the same token, its not the RIAA's right to have my money for music I listen to. We take what we can get, as do they. Morals have nothing to do with it, as morals are bullshit and cannot be generally applied to everyone, as everyones are different. Point being, these things are occuring, either these companies can evolve and figure out a way to make money off of it (aka being an innovated business) or they can bitch and moan, waste money trying to pay off law makers and eventually perish. This is a fight they WILL NOT WIN. Deal with it. Downloading of products is prevalent and easy. Try to get rid of it all you want, you will have very little success.
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So you don't believe in morals, but you believe in rights?


:roll:

 
Piracy is not going away, the industry just needs to work around it, or with it. Make movies free in crappy resolutions, but sell in higher quality, leave them in theaters longer, sell merchandise on the movie, etc...

Though, out of all things, movies is one of the things I agree the less with pirating. I prefer just paying and seeing it at the cinema, or getting a good quality "original" copy instead of a rip. The cost is usually not that bad anyway so I'm willing to pay for a good movie, and probably will buy/rent movies when I have my own house. (Now I hardly every watch movies or TV)

Now when it comes to software, I get zero issues with piracy, because the companies try to rape you. Microsoft licensing is the biggest scam ever. They rape you from every angle. Not like I"d ever be able to afford it anyway, so they're not really losing my business because I would never be a customer.

Music, well, artists don't get anything other then a few pennies per cd anyway, its all the mega corporations such as the RIAA that do. I would rather download mp3's, if I like the music, send money to the artist directly via paypal. If I was a music artist I would publish my songs online and accept donations, and if I made it really big, have concerts. Music is art, not a product, but the US idea of it is that it's a product, and you have to sell it. If I create something, whether it's a drawing, a song, or a video, I don't want to sell it, I want to show it to people, let them have it, etc.
 
Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Modelworks, no it is not my right to have every MP3 that's released. By the same token, its not the RIAA's right to have my money for music I listen to. We take what we can get, as do they. Morals have nothing to do with it, as morals are bullshit and cannot be generally applied to everyone, as everyones are different. Point being, these things are occuring, either these companies can evolve and figure out a way to make money off of it (aka being an innovated business) or they can bitch and moan, waste money trying to pay off law makers and eventually perish. This is a fight they WILL NOT WIN. Deal with it. Downloading of products is prevalent and easy. Try to get rid of it all you want, you will have very little success.
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So you don't believe in morals, but you believe in rights?


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Yup, when it favors him its his right. When it may not always favor him its morals.

Sorry, but if someone makes content it is their legal right to chose how that is distributed. If you made a book, movie, computer program, etc, and people started copying your work you'd be pissed. If you don't like the way they chose to distribute it then you can chose not to use it. The fact that they don't provide their product in the exact way you want it or at the price you want does not change the fact that it is their work and they should be allowed to use it as they please. It is not your right to watch a particular movie. If you can't agree with their terms then you just shouldn't watch it.
 
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