A New Cigarette Hazard: ?Third-Hand Smoke?

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
And I'm far from stupid.

Well no offense, but you come off as one of the less intelligent people on this forum, and not just in this thread.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Well, pig shit stinks like hell and has a way of clinging to you to for a long long time, but I don't see anyone crying about what a health hazard the odor of pig shit is to people.

You see the children of pig farmers dropping dead because daddy smells a little too much?

AGAIN, I am not claiming someone will drop dead over this. 😕
I am saying it's not good for anyone to breath in those chemicals.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
And I'm far from stupid.

Well no offense, but you come off as one of the less intelligent people on this forum, and not just in this thread.

Well no offense, but someone like you saying that doesn't bother me in the least.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Well, pig shit stinks like hell and has a way of clinging to you to for a long long time, but I don't see anyone crying about what a health hazard the odor of pig shit is to people.

You see the children of pig farmers dropping dead because daddy smells a little too much?

AGAIN, I am not claiming someone will drop dead over this. 😕
I am saying it's not good for anyone to breath in those chemicals.

I understand, but who the hell wants to live in a bubble?

The same can be said for scented candles, bathroom deodorizers, you name it....but to single out smokers just because that smell is so damn offensive to so many is bullshit.

This is another way for people who despise the practice to try and come up with some way to keep people from smoking in their own home if they choose.

For Christs sake....don't these people have other health related issues to deal with..like...say...oh...I don't know.....drunk driving perhaps?

<-----non-smoker

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Well, pig shit stinks like hell and has a way of clinging to you to for a long long time, but I don't see anyone crying about what a health hazard the odor of pig shit is to people.

You see the children of pig farmers dropping dead because daddy smells a little too much?

AGAIN, I am not claiming someone will drop dead over this. 😕
I am saying it's not good for anyone to breath in those chemicals.

I understand, but who the hell wants to live in a bubble?

The same can be said for scented candles, bathroom deodorizers, you name it....but to single out smokers just because that smell is so damn offensive to so many is bullshit.

This is another way for people who despise the practice to try and come up with some way to keep people from smoking in their own home if they choose.

For Christs sake....don't these people have other health related issues to deal with..like...say...oh...I don't know.....drunk driving perhaps?

<-----non-smoker

careful, you may be accused of comparing apples to pcs.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

same can be said about food smells that stay in clothing, pet smells and everything else that can stay smelly in your clothes. ban dogs and smelly food!

Because food and pet smells contain hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic.

Right?

You just classically compared apples to oranges.


😕

while i was being ridiculously bland about it, it is still valid. the amount of trace left on a couch in a public place would be so negligible as to not even mention. if it was measured, how was it applied? did they pump s solid plume of ciggy smoke into a piece of material for X amount of days and then measure? did they take actual samples from the real world and sample them? this is a scare tactic with a new buzz word is all. perfumes cause more damage to peoples allergies than the latent smell of burnt tobacco. i can smell perfume from many yards away, but a smoker has to walkk near me to even notice the smell.


and i bet all those toxins you state above can be found in any nonsmoking environment as well, that wouldnt just be the allowed waste in ciggy production.

Well, hydrogen cyanide is found in fruit pits, and butane is used to cook foods that are then presumably eaten.
I'm just sayin' 😛

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: Omegachi
fourth hand smoke: gas passed by smokers containing smoke residue includes heavy metals, carcinogens and even radioactive materials...

give this man a nobel prize :laugh:

 

[SlitheryDee]

I didn't see it say anything about exactly how dangerous "third hand smoke" is. I doubt the toxins are present in enough quantity to have any effect other than a foul odor. That study essentially went around asking people "Did you know about this new term we made up with absolutely no scientific backing"? Naturally most people said "no". The study then goes on to say "Well don't you think it's dangerous"?

All fine and good, but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual effects of this "third hand smoke" or if there are any at all. Let's see some studies that actually show there is some measurable damage being done before we worry about whether anyone knows about it.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Well, pig shit stinks like hell and has a way of clinging to you to for a long long time, but I don't see anyone crying about what a health hazard the odor of pig shit is to people.

You see the children of pig farmers dropping dead because daddy smells a little too much?

AGAIN, I am not claiming someone will drop dead over this. 😕
I am saying it's not good for anyone to breath in those chemicals.

It's probably not bad either. I find it extremely unlikely it is even physically possible for the remnant particles to actually cause any damage. There are a lot of things that are benign in small doses but poisonous in large doses. Nutmeg, for example.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I didn't see it say anything about exactly how dangerous "third hand smoke" is. I doubt the toxins are present in enough quantity to have any effect other than a foul odor. That study essentially went around asking people "Did you know about this new term we made up with absolutely no scientific backing"? Naturally most people said "no". The study then goes on to say "Well don't you think it's dangerous"?

All fine and good, but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual effects of this "third hand smoke" or if there are any at all. Let's see some studies that actually show there is some measurable damage being done before we worry about whether anyone knows about it.

Geez, would YOU ever be a crappy fear-monger.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Well, pig shit stinks like hell and has a way of clinging to you to for a long long time, but I don't see anyone crying about what a health hazard the odor of pig shit is to people.

You see the children of pig farmers dropping dead because daddy smells a little too much?

AGAIN, I am not claiming someone will drop dead over this. 😕
I am saying it's not good for anyone to breath in those chemicals.

It's probably not bad either. I find it extremely unlikely it is even physically possible for the remnant particles to actually cause any damage. There are a lot of things that are benign in small doses but poisonous in large doses. Nutmeg, for example.

Or dihydrogen monoxide.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Yeah, smoking sucks.

..as does doper smoke.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Well, pig shit stinks like hell and has a way of clinging to you to for a long long time, but I don't see anyone crying about what a health hazard the odor of pig shit is to people.

You see the children of pig farmers dropping dead because daddy smells a little too much?

AGAIN, I am not claiming someone will drop dead over this. 😕
I am saying it's not good for anyone to breath in those chemicals.

It's probably not bad either. I find it extremely unlikely it is even physically possible for the remnant particles to actually cause any damage. There are a lot of things that are benign in small doses but poisonous in large doses. Nutmeg, for example.

Or dihydrogen monoxide.

Yes. Although it really doesn't take much to die from inhalation of dihydrogen monoxide. It takes a lot from regular old ingestion though.

 

[Kyle]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: moshquerade
Of course smokers will rebuke this, but honestly, smoky clothes, hair, houses, cars, etc. smell smoky because of something, and that something isn't good for your health.

Is that your "mommy instinct" talking?

My point was that a smoker lights a cigarette and intentionaly inhales smoke deeply into his lungs. A heavy smoker does this ~5 times per cigarette 40x per day. 200 daily deep inhalations of concentrated carcinogens increases risk substantially for cancers PRIMARILY associated with the tissues coming into repeated contact with such high does of carcinogens (i.e mouth, throat, lungs). Stop smoking and the risk drops significantly in a very short time.

Now contrast this with riding in an elevator with someone who just smoked a cigarette. Some minute percentage of smoke has decided to stick to his/her hair and clothing. Some minute percentage of this is given off as odor. The concentration of carcinogens in your lung is infintesimal compared to what the smoker's lungs see. To be able to measure your health risk from this situation, you would have to live for 1000 years.

One breath fron a bus exhaust while standing at a bus stop is equivalent to about a million elevator rides, and I bet you think we should save the environment and all ride the bus.

No, not a "mommy instinct", a professional instinct.

<----- Smoking Cessation Counselor

Alright, I never said that exhaust from motor vehicles was an ok thing either. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I also never said that "3rd hand smoke" would cause cancer, but it may cause allergies, asthma, or lung irritation. That is what I am saying. It's not healthy to breath in exhaust or the chemicals left on surfaces from a lot of sources, yes, buses included.

Hey Mosh- just curious- what company do you work for as a smoking cessation counselor?

 

[Amused]

Did anyone notice in the article that NO study is mentioned that supports ANY claims of harm? Only hype and suggestion of harm based on nothing at all.

How curious.

Folks, it's the dose that makes the poison. Our world is filled with dangerous substances, but at low enough doses that they cause no harm.

Now smelling bad is harmful???

This has gone too far already. One MUST be subjectively biased to believe this bullshit.

By this line of thinking, ANYTHING that smells is dangerous, including those oil airfresheners that are (gasp) toxic when consumed!!!

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Amused
By this line of thinking, ANYTHING that smells is dangerous, including those oil airfresheners that are (gasp) toxic when consumed!!!

I didn't know those are toxic. No wonder they smell so vomitous.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Amused
Did anyone notice in the article that NO study is mentioned that supports ANY claims of harm?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01...arch/03smoke.html?_r=1

Doctors from MassGeneral Hospital for Children in Boston coined the term ?third-hand smoke? to describe these chemicals in a new study that focused on the risks they pose to infants and children. The study was published in this month?s issue of the journal Pediatrics.

?Everyone knows that second-hand smoke is bad, but they don?t know about this,? said Dr. Jonathan P. Winickoff, the lead author of the study and an assistant professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School.

Study:

http://pediatrics.aappublicati...content/full/123/1/e74

This study demonstrated that beliefs about the health effects of thirdhand smoke are independently associated with home smoking bans. Emphasizing that thirdhand smoke harms the health of children may be an important element in encouraging home smoking bans. Health messages about thirdhand smoke contamination could be easily incorporated into current tobacco control campaigns, programs, and routine clinical practice.

Yep. Looks like the study was a poll on how people felt about the term. I don't see anything supporting health risks to smoking residue.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Oh boy, yet ANOTHER boogeyman!

beware fourth hand smoke.

 

[hanoverphist]

im a regular smoker and you couldnt really tell by walking into my house, since i dont smoke in it. if you went out on the back porch the only thing that would give me away is the ashtray. i should have a mandatory ban in my house that i dont smoke in anyway? right. im sure it will work as well as the ban on marijuana that already exists. as easy to enforce as well.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Yep. Looks like the study was a poll on how people felt about the term. I don't see anything supporting health risks to smoking residue.

meaningless, as Mosh has an "instinctive" belief in the danger

 

[SlitheryDee]

Looking at it a second time, it appears that the only purpose of the study was to introduce a new incentive for people to ban smoking in the home. The only conclusion drawn was that people who believe that 3rd hand smoke is dangerous are more likely to ban smoking in their homes. Perhaps people banning smoking in their homes is a good thing, but should deliberate misinformation be forgiven if it's being used to that end? I say not, just on the principle of the thing. The implication is that since we already know smoking is bad, it's not so bad to tack on a few unverified worries if that'll make people do what you want them to do. Everything in me cries out against this.

 

[Bateluer]

I'm not for banning cigerettes, but maybe we should just place a 20 dollar tax on each pack of smokes sold? Good short term source of coin, which we can funnel into the medical system.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'm not for banning cigerettes, but maybe we should just place a 20 dollar tax on each pack of smokes sold? Good short term source of coin, which we can funnel into the medical system.

Just like gasoline and alcohol, a huge portion of the price is already tax.

 

[JulesMaximus]

You gotta be fucking kidding me...Third hand smoke?

Now I've heard everything...:roll:

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
Is this a Jenny McCarthy sponsored research program?

Seriously, if it takes 30 years to sometimes kill a full time smoker, how much risk can coming into incidental contact with things possibly touching a smoker while they suck smoke deeply into their bodies to generate such ill effect as eventual death?

I'd be more worried about what is in our drinking water and how much bus exhaust fumes get inhaled while standing at the bus stop than smoking cooties.

Finally, a voice of reason.