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[Kibbo]

Aimster,

How did the Shah gain power? What was the gov't like before him?

 

[1luckymf]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Hmm...bigotry like Christians persecuting gays? Violence like Christians blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors? Cruelty like Christians preventing mosques from being built and vandalizing them and persecuting people of Middle Eastern descent out of fear and ignorance stoked by this administration?

That is so, but I think you're ignoring any varying degrees of severity of these acts.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Hmm...bigotry like Christians persecuting gays? Violence like Christians blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors? Cruelty like Christians preventing mosques from being built and vandalizing them and persecuting people of Middle Eastern descent out of fear and ignorance stoked by this administration?

That is so, but I think you're ignoring any varying degrees of severity of these acts.

Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: conjur
That is so, but I think you're ignoring any varying degrees of severity of these acts.

Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.[/quote]

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Aimster,

How did the Shah gain power? What was the gov't like before him?

You're arguing with a troll.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...1205190&arctab=arc
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1356081
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1332959

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

If it came down to it yeah. I am not trying to avoid your question like a common politician. Truth of the matter is with my school and education I could not join the military and fight for this country and keep my schooling. So to answer your question probably not.
However, attacking Iran does not mean sending in troops. Why could the U.S not attack them from the air and send in support to the students and the people who are trying to rebel?

IMO that is the best way to do it. I said attack Iran, but I didn't make my position on how I think the best method is.

I think the best method is to dominate Iranian air and broadcast to the people that the United States is fully behind them. With aid and months of confusion in Iran the people will get their way and the Mullahs will be driven out. With the air in control of the U.S, they will have the power to knock out all government strongholds.

A ground assult can have severe consequences... one the people can lose the respect they have for the U.S after seeing civilian deaths. The U.S owns the air why not just fight wars like that? Can a military expert tell me why this will not work?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Klixxer, you're right about the costs of nuclear versus oil as a fuel - for Iran, it would be at least close to breaking even. My bad. :beer: This chart says it all (for the US - nuclear and oil would be closer for Iran, since Uranium would be more expensive and oil less so).

http://www.uic.com.au/graphics/UScost01.gif

Here's the overall discussion:
http://www.uic.com.au/nip08.htm

You just gained a LOT of respect in my book.

Thank you. :beer:

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

No, I am not.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Aimster,

How did the Shah gain power? What was the gov't like before him?

You're arguing with a troll.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...1205190&arctab=arc
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1356081
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1332959

If I am a troll why do you continue to post in here in my thread? You obviously have no solid facts to prove the U.S should not go to war with Iran so you are posting worthless off-topic threads into the political forums.

If you have an opinion fine share it, but if you don't then stop just being a post whore and step outside and go debate politics with your barber.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

No, I am not.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

Even one murder in the name of religion is an atrocity.

Would you belittle the death of one person? What if that one person were your wife, daughter, or mom?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Aimster,

How did the Shah gain power? What was the gov't like before him?

You're arguing with a troll.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...1205190&arctab=arc
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1356081
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...8&threadid=1332959

If I am a troll why do you continue to post in here in my thread? You obviously have no solid facts to prove the U.S should not go to war with Iran so you are posting worthless off-topic threads into the political forums.

If you have an opinion fine share it, but if you don't then stop just being a post whore and step outside and go debate politics with your barber.

LMAO!!

No solid facts that the US should not go to war with Iran?

Here's one for ya:

Because we shouldn't because we have no justification!


<ding> <ding> <ding>

Debate over!

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

No, I am not.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

Even one murder in the name of religion is an atrocity.

Would you belittle the death of one person? What if that one person were your wife, daughter, or mom?

Answer the question.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

I wouldn't belittle the death of one person. Would you belittle the death of 9,999?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

If it came down to it yeah. I am not trying to avoid your question like a common politician. Truth of the matter is with my school and education I could not join the military and fight for this country and keep my schooling. So to answer your question probably not.
However, attacking Iran does not mean sending in troops. Why could the U.S not attack them from the air and send in support to the students and the people who are trying to rebel?

IMO that is the best way to do it. I said attack Iran, but I didn't make my position on how I think the best method is.

I think the best method is to dominate Iranian air and broadcast to the people that the United States is fully behind them. With aid and months of confusion in Iran the people will get their way and the Mullahs will be driven out. With the air in control of the U.S, they will have the power to knock out all government strongholds.

A ground assult can have severe consequences... one the people can lose the respect they have for the U.S after seeing civilian deaths. The U.S owns the air why not just fight wars like that? Can a military expert tell me why this will not work?

A military genious you are not.

 

[1luckymf]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

If it came down to it yeah. I am not trying to avoid your question like a common politician. Truth of the matter is with my school and education I could not join the military and fight for this country and keep my schooling. So to answer your question probably not.
However, attacking Iran does not mean sending in troops. Why could the U.S not attack them from the air and send in support to the students and the people who are trying to rebel?

IMO that is the best way to do it. I said attack Iran, but I didn't make my position on how I think the best method is.

I think the best method is to dominate Iranian air and broadcast to the people that the United States is fully behind them. With aid and months of confusion in Iran the people will get their way and the Mullahs will be driven out. With the air in control of the U.S, they will have the power to knock out all government strongholds.

A ground assult can have severe consequences... one the people can lose the respect they have for the U.S after seeing civilian deaths. The U.S owns the air why not just fight wars like that? Can a military expert tell me why this will not work?

Then shut the fvck and continue your schooling, coward................

And before you snap back let me tell you a short story.

Back in Nov 1979, I sat on a runway at Pope Air Force base in NC as a member of the 82nd Airborne. With a parachute on my back for four days. Wondering if the next was going to be my last. Sure I was scared, but I wasnt a coward.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not wanting to free your fathers homeland and your religion.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: conjur
There are extremists in any religion. That doesn't mean all followers of a religion are the same.

Muhammad Ali is a Muslim. Do you think he wants to cut peoples' hands off and enslave women?

You have got to be one of the most naive persons ever. See the pictures, read the news, open your eyes.

Islam is head and shoulders above other religions in terms of violence, cruelty, bigotry and (sic) backwardsness.

Tell me in what religion does this happen?

Well that is probably because of the poverty of some areas with large numbers of Muslims.

A large portion of India, which is mostly hindu, is in poverty, yet they dont do this. A great portion of Asia is in poverty, where does this happen??

Good point. A good chunk of that portion in India is also Muslim and they don't do this either.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

If it came down to it yeah. I am not trying to avoid your question like a common politician. Truth of the matter is with my school and education I could not join the military and fight for this country and keep my schooling. So to answer your question probably not.
However, attacking Iran does not mean sending in troops. Why could the U.S not attack them from the air and send in support to the students and the people who are trying to rebel?

IMO that is the best way to do it. I said attack Iran, but I didn't make my position on how I think the best method is.

I think the best method is to dominate Iranian air and broadcast to the people that the United States is fully behind them. With aid and months of confusion in Iran the people will get their way and the Mullahs will be driven out. With the air in control of the U.S, they will have the power to knock out all government strongholds.

A ground assult can have severe consequences... one the people can lose the respect they have for the U.S after seeing civilian deaths. The U.S owns the air why not just fight wars like that? Can a military expert tell me why this will not work?

Then shut the fvck and continue your schooling, coward................

And before you snap back let me tell you a short story.

Back in Nov 1979, I sat on a runway at Pope Air Force base in NC as a member of the 82nd Airborne. With a parachute on my back for four days. Wondering if the next was going to be my last. Sure I was scared, but I wasnt a coward.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not wanting to free your fathers homeland and your religion.

Ashamed of not freeing my fathers homeland and my religion? Who said I have a religion? My father left his homeland 35 years ago and has never returned since.
America is my homeland not Iran and if you want to think otherwise then go ahead I could careless.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

No, I am not.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

Even one murder in the name of religion is an atrocity.

Would you belittle the death of one person? What if that one person were your wife, daughter, or mom?

Answer the question.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

I wouldn't belittle the death of one person. Would you belittle the death of 9,999?

As I said, one murder is an atrocity the same as 10,000. Equating them does not belittle anything.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

If it came down to it yeah. I am not trying to avoid your question like a common politician. Truth of the matter is with my school and education I could not join the military and fight for this country and keep my schooling. So to answer your question probably not.
However, attacking Iran does not mean sending in troops. Why could the U.S not attack them from the air and send in support to the students and the people who are trying to rebel?

IMO that is the best way to do it. I said attack Iran, but I didn't make my position on how I think the best method is.

I think the best method is to dominate Iranian air and broadcast to the people that the United States is fully behind them. With aid and months of confusion in Iran the people will get their way and the Mullahs will be driven out. With the air in control of the U.S, they will have the power to knock out all government strongholds.

A ground assult can have severe consequences... one the people can lose the respect they have for the U.S after seeing civilian deaths. The U.S owns the air why not just fight wars like that? Can a military expert tell me why this will not work?

A military genious you are not.

Educate me. Why wouldn't this work?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

No, I am not.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

Even one murder in the name of religion is an atrocity.

Would you belittle the death of one person? What if that one person were your wife, daughter, or mom?

Answer the question.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

I wouldn't belittle the death of one person. Would you belittle the death of 9,999?

Actually you ARE trying to nuance different atrocities, some for the worse and some not so bad, the thing is... it doesn't matter.

You see, just as you cannot be a little bit dead or a lot, you cannot commit a bit of an atrocity or a huge atrocity, there is no scale to measure it, an atrocity is an atrocity.

I think the very word is the wrong one though, you COULD use the word tragedy and for those who have lost it would work, to loose a child is a tragedy, to loose all your children is a greater tradgedy.

If you see my point.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
Oh, I see. As long as it's just a little bit of bigotry, violence, and murder it's ok. Gotcha. I wasn't aware that Jesus did nuance.

Who said that it was OK? Wow, you are really out there. Do you have to make a snide comment all of the time?

I'm simply stating my opinion that there are varying degrees of severity that you are completely ignoring.

However, I believe that most of this is due to the poverty levels in these areas.

Uh...you are saying it's ok by trying nuance it by saying there are varying degrees. Are you not? Trolldogg asked what other religion did this and I offered up example of atrocities committed by Christians.

No, I am not.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

Even one murder in the name of religion is an atrocity.

Would you belittle the death of one person? What if that one person were your wife, daughter, or mom?

Answer the question.

Would you equate one murder with 10,000 murders or a genocide?

I wouldn't belittle the death of one person. Would you belittle the death of 9,999?

As I said, one murder is an atrocity the same as 10,000. Equating them does not belittle anything.

They are both an atrocity. However, are you saying that killing one person is at the same level as killing 6 million.

Is calling someone a slur the same as murdering them? Both are an atrocity.

Is a man that murdered one person on the same level as Hitler who essentially murdered millions?

Please answer the questions.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Actually you ARE trying to nuance different atrocities, some for the worse and some not so bad, the thing is... it doesn't matter.

You see, just as you cannot be a little bit dead or a lot, you cannot commit a bit of an atrocity or a huge atrocity, there is no scale to measure it, an atrocity is an atrocity.

I think the very word is the wrong one though, you COULD use the word tragedy and for those who have lost it would work, to loose a child is a tragedy, to loose all your children is a greater tradgedy.

If you see my point.

I have to disagree.

To me a man that calls someone a slur is different than a man that commits murder. Both are an atrocity to me, but one is more severe.

If you are hanging up on the word, then simply change it. You seem to be agreeing with me in a sense.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
You call the shah a coward...Yet you are here...

Go home and fight your own war.

Go home? I am home. I was born here dumbshit.

Well excuse me then..

Then why the hell you want to start a war with Iran ? Will you willing to be the first to go and give your life? Or are you just a coward who wants others to give their life for your agenda.

My agenda? My parents might be from Iran as well as my family. I have family living in Iran. America comes before Iran. My kids will be born and raised here and if Iran is going to start something against the U.S then I am all for the U.S to show Iran a lesson or two. Why would I defend Iran over the United States? What makes you more of an American than me?

I am not going to gain anything with a free Iran. I have no connections there. The world will gain with a free Iran.

Yes you are damn right. If I had to go to fight for the U.S vs Iran I sure as hell would pick the United States. This is my country and I will defend it if I must. If I didn't like my country I wouldn't live here I would live in Iran and call that my country and raise my kids there.

Im not questioning your patriotism. You stated "If the United States wants to win the war on terror they need to start by attacking Iran".

Would you be willing to give your life for that?

If it came down to it yeah. I am not trying to avoid your question like a common politician. Truth of the matter is with my school and education I could not join the military and fight for this country and keep my schooling. So to answer your question probably not.
However, attacking Iran does not mean sending in troops. Why could the U.S not attack them from the air and send in support to the students and the people who are trying to rebel?

IMO that is the best way to do it. I said attack Iran, but I didn't make my position on how I think the best method is.

I think the best method is to dominate Iranian air and broadcast to the people that the United States is fully behind them. With aid and months of confusion in Iran the people will get their way and the Mullahs will be driven out. With the air in control of the U.S, they will have the power to knock out all government strongholds.

A ground assult can have severe consequences... one the people can lose the respect they have for the U.S after seeing civilian deaths. The U.S owns the air why not just fight wars like that? Can a military expert tell me why this will not work?

A military genious you are not.

Educate me. Why wouldn't this work?

Because every one target is within 1000 civilians reach, you would have to bomb the entire nation to hell to make sure. If you have no problems killing most of the civilian population then a series of MOAB's and light weith nukes would do the job.

AFTER that you would still have to send in ground troops to contain survivors and get the ones who escaped.

And the US only owns the air when they have the only real air force up there, Iran would be a problem and many planes wouls be lost, a war is not painless.

For Iran a swift and fast attack from different borders with overwhelming force with air support would be the choice that would produce the least amount of casualties on both sides. Heavy artillery and armored vehicles would be a necessity but most could be sweapt by choppers to ensure immediate safety, it would still cost a lot of troops.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: conjur
As I said, one murder is an atrocity the same as 10,000. Equating them does not belittle anything.

They are both an atrocity. However, are you saying that killing one person is at the same level as killing 6 million.

Is calling someone a slur the same as murdering them? Both are an atrocity.

Is a man that murdered one person on the same level as Hitler who essentially murdered millions?

Please answer the questions.

You're like a broken record. At what point will you stop nuancing things? Levels of atrocities? 😕


And how can an insult even be mentioned in the same breath as murder? WTF are you talking about?