A message for the Bush Supporters...

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: CPA
So, based on this quote alone, we should all agree that this would apply under Franklin D. Roosevelt's term? correct?

Good point, but we did go after those who attacked us during World War II and weren't consistantly lied too.

The Germans did not attack us during WWII. And how do you know Roosevelt didn't stretch the truth to get his way?

Where did I say the germans attacked us? From our lovely public education I have knowledge that FDR didnt stretch the truth, he did want us to interviene. You could discuss about the Japanesse mini-sub and the radar system and how it was ignored... its still just a theory and hasn't been proven.

My point is that we attacked the Germans without provication. Roosevelt made people believe that we needed to send millions of men to battle in Europe when Germany was not threatening us. This is the same as what you currently believe is happening in Iraq.

Well, Japan did attack you. Japan and Germany were allies. They were sinking your supplieships on their way to britain. Besides Germany was a major threat to england, and would undoubtedly have taken over england if it hadn't been for US military support. Britain and you weren't allies (The british and french went to war against germany because they attacked poland, which germany and france were allies with) but you had a close relationship. The fact is that Roosevelt waited to assist the british, and withheld the declaration of war for a long time, untill you actually got attacked, because he felt he needed a more direct reason. But the major reason was the fascist dictatorship Hitler had aquired through democratic power, and the fact he was using it to invade most of the western world.

So rosevelt actually had a reason for this war, and saw that germany actually was a threat. Because they showed no lust for ending the campaign. Besides, it is well known that Germany from day 1 of hitlers reign tried hard to gain wmd. That's why so many scientists left germany for usa, and probably (undoubtedly actually) why you had the. Bomb before the russians.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
My eyes glaze over and I move on when I see the word Nazi and Neocon. Two of the most overused terms around, and always coming from a left wing bomb thrower. I like reading desenting opinions or debating an issue but this stuff is neither.

Listen to the point of what we are saying. You should never throw away another mans opinion just because of the other things that leave his mouth. Take the facts, and unbiased measure them. But i admit, some people are going to far, and that means that they are either not going for the popular vote, or are too stupid to realize that this is the affect. But trust me, in the eyes of the rest of the world, they are neocons...

 

[biostud]

A nazist can say non-nazist comments. This is one of them. It could have been said by Machiavelli as well. It's about control of the masses, religion can be used as another way to control the masses. Wether you feel the comment fits the Bush-government is a political view, but those attacking it for whom said it and not for what it's saying are no more than a mud-thrower. (Which I can understand with all the nonsense beeing spewed around here )

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

As an AMERICAN first and a Democrat second I hope there is more unity from both sides. Trust me, the Dem. will stop their whining, just give em a few weeks. It's the Republicans who will have full control who have to be willing to listen to the other half of America now. It's all in their hands.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
My eyes glaze over and I move on when I see the word Nazi and Neocon. Two of the most overused terms around, and always coming from a left wing bomb thrower. I like reading desenting opinions or debating an issue but this stuff is neither.

Listen to the point of what we are saying. You should never throw away another mans opinion just because of the other things that leave his mouth. Take the facts, and unbiased measure them. But i admit, some people are going to far, and that means that they are either not going for the popular vote, or are too stupid to realize that this is the affect. But trust me, in the eyes of the rest of the world, they are neocons...

Unforunatly, the rest of the world doesn't matter to most Americans you're just limey assholes.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Tabb

Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leader of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denouce the pacifists for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

-Hermann Goering, Hitlers Reich-Marshell

Can we lay off the Nazi BS for just one day? :disgust:

Sure, as soon as the White House does.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
My eyes glaze over and I move on when I see the word Nazi and Neocon. Two of the most overused terms around, and always coming from a left wing bomb thrower. I like reading desenting opinions or debating an issue but this stuff is neither.

Listen to the point of what we are saying. You should never throw away another mans opinion just because of the other things that leave his mouth. Take the facts, and unbiased measure them. But i admit, some people are going to far, and that means that they are either not going for the popular vote, or are too stupid to realize that this is the affect. But trust me, in the eyes of the rest of the world, they are neocons...

Unforunatly, the rest of the world doesn't matter to most Americans you're just limey assholes.

The Article

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
As an AMERICAN first and a Democrat second I hope there is more unity from both sides. Trust me, the Dem. will stop their whining, just give em a few weeks. It's the Republicans who will have full control who have to be willing to listen to the other half of America now. It's all in their hands.

This is what the rest of the world is worrying about.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Valvoline6
My eyes glaze over and I move on when I see the word Nazi and Neocon. Two of the most overused terms around, and always coming from a left wing bomb thrower. I like reading desenting opinions or debating an issue but this stuff is neither.

Listen to the point of what we are saying. You should never throw away another mans opinion just because of the other things that leave his mouth. Take the facts, and unbiased measure them. But i admit, some people are going to far, and that means that they are either not going for the popular vote, or are too stupid to realize that this is the affect. But trust me, in the eyes of the rest of the world, they are neocons...

If we are to listen to the point, let's at least have it in its original entirety and within the context of the situation in which he stated it:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm

The quote cited above does not appear in transcripts of the Nuremberg trials because although Goering spoke these words during the course of the proceedings, he did not offer them at his trial. His comments were made privately to Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of the proceedings and his conversations with the prisoners, which he later published in the book Nuremberg Diary. The quote offered above was part of a conversation Gilbert held with a dejected Hermann Goering in his cell on the evening of 18 April 1946, as the trials were halted for a three-day Easter recess:

Sweating in his cell in the evening, Goering was defensive and deflated and not very happy over the turn the trial was taking. He said that he had no control over the actions or the defense of the others, and that he had never been anti-Semitic himself, had not believed these atrocities, and that several Jews had offered to testify in his behalf. If [Hans] Frank [Governor-General of occupied Poland] had known about atrocities in 1943, he should have come to him and he would have tried to do something about it. He might not have had enough power to change things in 1943, but if somebody had come to him in 1941 or 1942 he could have forced a showdown. (I still did not have the desire at this point to tell him what [SS General Otto] Ohlendorf had said to this: that Goering had been written off as an effective "moderating" influence, because of his drug addiction and corruption.) I pointed out that with his "temperamental utterances," such as preferring the killing of 200 Jews to the destruction of property, he had hardly set himself up as champion of minority rights. Goering protested that too much weight was being put on these temperamental utterances. Furthermore, he made it clear that he was not defending or glorifying Hitler.

Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded Goering's observations that the common people can always be manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political leaders:

We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

 

[theblackbox]

funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

Another one of our supporters is Putin, where is his political opposition?

 

[Genx87]

Good point, but we did go after those who attacked us during World War II and weren't consistantly lied too

We did? Then what the hell were we doing in Africa when we should have been invading Japan?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

No it doesn't. Jews can be fascists to, nazi's just happened to dislike jews. For all i know, most of the settlers show very nazi-like traits. The word nazi is used simply because it's better supported by the common man, and fascism and nazi'sm are fairly similar to the common man, except for the thing about the jews.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Good point, but we did go after those who attacked us during World War II and weren't consistantly lied too

We did? Then what the hell were we doing in Africa when we should have been invading Japan?!?!?!?!?!?

Fighting the japanese allies? Read my post above for explanation...

 

[Genx87]

Our leadership is Nazi-Life, go look at the patroit act for that, our public is stupid look at the PIPA Study. I don't know if I am smarter than you age/job/wise but I beileve I am politically. There is a direct relationship with liberals having a higher education than conservaties. Maybe for starters you can stop giving me cookies and try to prove me wrong?

You do realize the Patriot act exapnds powers that have been in place for over 30 years?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: theblackbox
funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

Another one of our supporters is Putin, where is his political opposition?

Lets see. He's trying to get rid of the local branch of governments to get more centralized control. He has an assload of goodwill amongst the american administration these days. He has "terrorists" to fight himself in chechnya. Hmmm, i wonder...

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:yawn:

This old chestnut again?

How about something Nazi releated with some real relevance?

On 8th November, 1923, the Bavarian government held a meeting of about 3,000 officials. While Gustav von Kahr, the leader of the Bavarian government was making a speech, Hitler and armed stormtroopers entering the building. Hitler jumped onto a table, fired two shots in the air and told the audience that the Munich Putsch was taking place and the National Revolution had began.

Leaving Hermann Goering and the SA [the real brown shirts!] to guard the 3,000 officials, Hitler took Gustav von Kahr, Otto von Lossow, the commander of the Bavarian Army and Hans von Seisser, the commandant of the Bavarian State Police into an adjoining room. Hitler told the men that he was to be the new leader of Germany and offered them posts in his new government. Aware that this would be an act of high treason, the three men were initially reluctant to agree to this offer. Hitler was furious and threatened to shoot them and then commit suicide: "I have three bullets for you, gentlemen, and one for me!" After this the three men agreed.

Now, when this sort of thing happens during an election, you can post such tripe from a Nazi and give it real consideration. Until then it's completely meaningless.

Yeah, but it did sorta happen. Are you denying it did?

How did it "sorta happen?" AFAIK, the only thing shot in this election was a duck...supposedly by Kerry.

HAHA, with a gun he VOTED TO BAN!!!

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: theblackbox
funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

Another one of our supporters is Putin, where is his political opposition?

Lets see. He's trying to get rid of the local branch of governments to get more centralized control. He has an assload of goodwill amongst the american administration these days. He has "terrorists" to fight himself in chechnya. Hmmm, i wonder...

Does anyone have that link to the Global Security Checny Article?

 

[Uppsala9496]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Buz2b

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:yawn:

This old chestnut again?

How about something Nazi releated with some real relevance?

On 8th November, 1923, the Bavarian government held a meeting of about 3,000 officials. While Gustav von Kahr, the leader of the Bavarian government was making a speech, Hitler and armed stormtroopers entering the building. Hitler jumped onto a table, fired two shots in the air and told the audience that the Munich Putsch was taking place and the National Revolution had began.

Leaving Hermann Goering and the SA [the real brown shirts!] to guard the 3,000 officials, Hitler took Gustav von Kahr, Otto von Lossow, the commander of the Bavarian Army and Hans von Seisser, the commandant of the Bavarian State Police into an adjoining room. Hitler told the men that he was to be the new leader of Germany and offered them posts in his new government. Aware that this would be an act of high treason, the three men were initially reluctant to agree to this offer. Hitler was furious and threatened to shoot them and then commit suicide: "I have three bullets for you, gentlemen, and one for me!" After this the three men agreed.

Now, when this sort of thing happens during an election, you can post such tripe from a Nazi and give it real consideration. Until then it's completely meaningless.

Yeah, but it did sorta happen. Are you denying it did?

Yes, I am denying it just as YOU seem to want to deny that the attacks took place on 9/11. How easily you forget. Bush didn't seek this war, the terrorists did. What an idiotic comparison to make. It's almost comical how the left will seek far and wide to find some sort of negative comparison to throw at the right. You are truely the party of failure. America has to fail for you to look good. That doesn't say much for the Dems but then you really can't anyway.
One last thing to really get under your thin skin, we're called the Right wing because it's just that.....RIGHT. :laugh:

Actually you are the right because of the way the different political parties were placed in the french administration before the french revolution, but i'm sure you knew that.

I believe the OP has a point. Because all the commercials have either concentrated on either Kerry being a flip-flopper (i can't see why this even matters...), or stating that Kerry can't take care of this country, and thereby implying that you will be attacked if he wins the precidency, fear is a result hereof.
Not only that, but there has been lots of signs of america growing towards a mild form of fascism:
The extreme amount of flags
The very "us or them" mentality you have. Like non-american deaths don't matter, how you mindlesly follow the president into war apparently searching for wmd, even though you've heard from people actually in the country that there were none. The mass of americans that actually believe that, as they hinted in the white house, Iraq had connections with 9-11. The blind following of the presidency iow. How much the left has been attacked for being "unpatriotic," Fox is a magnificent example here. The severe lack of trust you have of ANYTHING/ANYBODY not american! What, 80% of the world hates gwb and wants him out of office? I'm one of them as you probably have guessed.

Yuo must still remember, that Hitler got into office democratically, and that he while governing actually held elections, where 98% of the population actually supported him.

The only reason you haven't turned fascist is because of the media. It's much harder to limit the amount of information the population would recieve, which is the basis for fascism. This is also the reason i think you won't turn completely fascist, and that you'll some day revert your opinions and look back upon them as being foolish. Which is also why i was happy at 9-11, because things like these usually work as a wake-up call, like in spain. But you were just to far in the process. (I wasn't happy because of the people killed, understand that.)

I can tell you have never studied German history. And comparing Hitler's rise to power to Bush's win is plain idiotic. Yea, the US is coming off of a war in which we lost, and were destroyed both economically and militarily. We also are coming off of a monarchial rule and are seaching for a place back in western society...
Now I know why I stay out of P&N, and spend most of my time lurking. Your statements are pure drivel.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: theblackbox
funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

Another one of our supporters is Putin, where is his political opposition?

Lets see. He's trying to get rid of the local branch of governments to get more centralized control. He has an assload of goodwill amongst the american administration these days. He has "terrorists" to fight himself in chechnya. Hmmm, i wonder...

Does anyone have that link to the Global Security Checny Article?

What link?

And why does it feel like once i start rolling in here with my arguments nobody answers them!!! AM I BARKING UP THE WRONG TRE HERE, SOMEONE PLEASE COMMENT. It's aparently impossible to have a sober discussion about politics, nobody wan'ts to discuss with me.

 

[Genx87]

Well, Japan did attack you. Japan and Germany were allies. They were sinking your supplieships on their way to britain. Besides Germany was a major threat to england, and would undoubtedly have taken over england if it hadn't been for US military support. Britain and you weren't allies (The british and french went to war against germany because they attacked poland, which germany and france were allies with) but you had a close relationship. The fact is that Roosevelt waited to assist the british, and withheld the declaration of war for a long time, untill you actually got attacked, because he felt he needed a more direct reason. But the major reason was the fascist dictatorship Hitler had aquired through democratic power, and the fact he was using it to invade most of the western world.

Saddam was an ally of terrorists and terrorism. So it would generally be accepted he would be a target of an attack in our war on terrorism. If you can accept the fact that we were in Africa fighting the Germans before we attacked the Japanese. Then you should be able to accept the fact that invading Iraq is a battle in the war on terror.

So rosevelt actually had a reason for this war, and saw that germany actually was a threat. Because they showed no lust for ending the campaign. Besides, it is well known that Germany from day 1 of hitlers reign tried hard to gain wmd. That's why so many scientists left germany for usa, and probably (undoubtedly actually) why you had the. Bomb before the russians.

Germany already had stockpiles of mustard and nerve agents. But Hitler was a victim in WWI from a mustard gas attack and thus never wanted to ever use them on the battlefield. The reasoning for the scientists leaving for the US was because a lot of them were Jewish and would have ended up in a gas chamber. Hitler also declared a war on the education system in Germany.

If you are talking about Germanys nuclear programs. Most consider their ambitions were for power purposes. A power source to drive their submarines. Not a weapon like everybody thought.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Uppsala9496

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Buz2b

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:yawn:

This old chestnut again?

How about something Nazi releated with some real relevance?

On 8th November, 1923, the Bavarian government held a meeting of about 3,000 officials. While Gustav von Kahr, the leader of the Bavarian government was making a speech, Hitler and armed stormtroopers entering the building. Hitler jumped onto a table, fired two shots in the air and told the audience that the Munich Putsch was taking place and the National Revolution had began.

Leaving Hermann Goering and the SA [the real brown shirts!] to guard the 3,000 officials, Hitler took Gustav von Kahr, Otto von Lossow, the commander of the Bavarian Army and Hans von Seisser, the commandant of the Bavarian State Police into an adjoining room. Hitler told the men that he was to be the new leader of Germany and offered them posts in his new government. Aware that this would be an act of high treason, the three men were initially reluctant to agree to this offer. Hitler was furious and threatened to shoot them and then commit suicide: "I have three bullets for you, gentlemen, and one for me!" After this the three men agreed.

Now, when this sort of thing happens during an election, you can post such tripe from a Nazi and give it real consideration. Until then it's completely meaningless.

Yeah, but it did sorta happen. Are you denying it did?

Yes, I am denying it just as YOU seem to want to deny that the attacks took place on 9/11. How easily you forget. Bush didn't seek this war, the terrorists did. What an idiotic comparison to make. It's almost comical how the left will seek far and wide to find some sort of negative comparison to throw at the right. You are truely the party of failure. America has to fail for you to look good. That doesn't say much for the Dems but then you really can't anyway.
One last thing to really get under your thin skin, we're called the Right wing because it's just that.....RIGHT. :laugh:

Actually you are the right because of the way the different political parties were placed in the french administration before the french revolution, but i'm sure you knew that.

I believe the OP has a point. Because all the commercials have either concentrated on either Kerry being a flip-flopper (i can't see why this even matters...), or stating that Kerry can't take care of this country, and thereby implying that you will be attacked if he wins the precidency, fear is a result hereof.
Not only that, but there has been lots of signs of america growing towards a mild form of fascism:
The extreme amount of flags
The very "us or them" mentality you have. Like non-american deaths don't matter, how you mindlesly follow the president into war apparently searching for wmd, even though you've heard from people actually in the country that there were none. The mass of americans that actually believe that, as they hinted in the white house, Iraq had connections with 9-11. The blind following of the presidency iow. How much the left has been attacked for being "unpatriotic," Fox is a magnificent example here. The severe lack of trust you have of ANYTHING/ANYBODY not american! What, 80% of the world hates gwb and wants him out of office? I'm one of them as you probably have guessed.

Yuo must still remember, that Hitler got into office democratically, and that he while governing actually held elections, where 98% of the population actually supported him.

The only reason you haven't turned fascist is because of the media. It's much harder to limit the amount of information the population would recieve, which is the basis for fascism. This is also the reason i think you won't turn completely fascist, and that you'll some day revert your opinions and look back upon them as being foolish. Which is also why i was happy at 9-11, because things like these usually work as a wake-up call, like in spain. But you were just to far in the process. (I wasn't happy because of the people killed, understand that.)

I can tell you have never studied German history. And comparing Hitler's rise to power to Bush's win is plain idiotic. Yea, the US is coming off of a war in which we lost, and were destroyed both economically and militarily. We also are coming off of a monarchial rule and are seaching for a place back in western society...
Now I know why I stay out of P&N, and spend most of my time lurking. Your statements are pure drivel.

Again, like a sheep you insult the author of the article. You don't attack what he wrote you attack him, you say he hasn't studied German History but do nothing to prove him wrong.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: theblackbox
funny that you make comparisons between nazis and bush and the republican party when one of the best allies of bush is israel. kinda takes away from the comparison.

Another one of our supporters is Putin, where is his political opposition?

Lets see. He's trying to get rid of the local branch of governments to get more centralized control. He has an assload of goodwill amongst the american administration these days. He has "terrorists" to fight himself in chechnya. Hmmm, i wonder...

Does anyone have that link to the Global Security Checny Article?

What link?

And why does it feel like once i start rolling in here with my arguments nobody answers them!!! AM I BARKING UP THE WRONG TRE HERE, SOMEONE PLEASE COMMENT. It's aparently impossible to have a sober discussion about politics, nobody wan'ts to discuss with me.

Welcome to American Politics. There was a very long and detailed article of Checnya somewhere on Global Security I believe.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Well, Japan did attack you. Japan and Germany were allies. They were sinking your supplieships on their way to britain. Besides Germany was a major threat to england, and would undoubtedly have taken over england if it hadn't been for US military support. Britain and you weren't allies (The british and french went to war against germany because they attacked poland, which germany and france were allies with) but you had a close relationship. The fact is that Roosevelt waited to assist the british, and withheld the declaration of war for a long time, untill you actually got attacked, because he felt he needed a more direct reason. But the major reason was the fascist dictatorship Hitler had aquired through democratic power, and the fact he was using it to invade most of the western world.

Saddam was an ally of terrorists and terrorism. So it would generally be accepted he would be a target of an attack in our war on terrorism. If you can accept the fact that we were in Africa fighting the Germans before we attacked the Japanese. Then you should be able to accept the fact that invading Iraq is a battle in the war on terror.

There were links to Terrorism, but no links to specifcally 9/11. Osama hated Saddam.

 

[Uppsala9496]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Uppsala9496

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Buz2b

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
:yawn:

This old chestnut again?

How about something Nazi releated with some real relevance?

On 8th November, 1923, the Bavarian government held a meeting of about 3,000 officials. While Gustav von Kahr, the leader of the Bavarian government was making a speech, Hitler and armed stormtroopers entering the building. Hitler jumped onto a table, fired two shots in the air and told the audience that the Munich Putsch was taking place and the National Revolution had began.

Leaving Hermann Goering and the SA [the real brown shirts!] to guard the 3,000 officials, Hitler took Gustav von Kahr, Otto von Lossow, the commander of the Bavarian Army and Hans von Seisser, the commandant of the Bavarian State Police into an adjoining room. Hitler told the men that he was to be the new leader of Germany and offered them posts in his new government. Aware that this would be an act of high treason, the three men were initially reluctant to agree to this offer. Hitler was furious and threatened to shoot them and then commit suicide: "I have three bullets for you, gentlemen, and one for me!" After this the three men agreed.

Now, when this sort of thing happens during an election, you can post such tripe from a Nazi and give it real consideration. Until then it's completely meaningless.

Yeah, but it did sorta happen. Are you denying it did?

Yes, I am denying it just as YOU seem to want to deny that the attacks took place on 9/11. How easily you forget. Bush didn't seek this war, the terrorists did. What an idiotic comparison to make. It's almost comical how the left will seek far and wide to find some sort of negative comparison to throw at the right. You are truely the party of failure. America has to fail for you to look good. That doesn't say much for the Dems but then you really can't anyway.
One last thing to really get under your thin skin, we're called the Right wing because it's just that.....RIGHT. :laugh:

Actually you are the right because of the way the different political parties were placed in the french administration before the french revolution, but i'm sure you knew that.

I believe the OP has a point. Because all the commercials have either concentrated on either Kerry being a flip-flopper (i can't see why this even matters...), or stating that Kerry can't take care of this country, and thereby implying that you will be attacked if he wins the precidency, fear is a result hereof.
Not only that, but there has been lots of signs of america growing towards a mild form of fascism:
The extreme amount of flags
The very "us or them" mentality you have. Like non-american deaths don't matter, how you mindlesly follow the president into war apparently searching for wmd, even though you've heard from people actually in the country that there were none. The mass of americans that actually believe that, as they hinted in the white house, Iraq had connections with 9-11. The blind following of the presidency iow. How much the left has been attacked for being "unpatriotic," Fox is a magnificent example here. The severe lack of trust you have of ANYTHING/ANYBODY not american! What, 80% of the world hates gwb and wants him out of office? I'm one of them as you probably have guessed.

Yuo must still remember, that Hitler got into office democratically, and that he while governing actually held elections, where 98% of the population actually supported him.

The only reason you haven't turned fascist is because of the media. It's much harder to limit the amount of information the population would recieve, which is the basis for fascism. This is also the reason i think you won't turn completely fascist, and that you'll some day revert your opinions and look back upon them as being foolish. Which is also why i was happy at 9-11, because things like these usually work as a wake-up call, like in spain. But you were just to far in the process. (I wasn't happy because of the people killed, understand that.)

I can tell you have never studied German history. And comparing Hitler's rise to power to Bush's win is plain idiotic. Yea, the US is coming off of a war in which we lost, and were destroyed both economically and militarily. We also are coming off of a monarchial rule and are seaching for a place back in western society...
Now I know why I stay out of P&N, and spend most of my time lurking. Your statements are pure drivel.

Again, like a sheep you insult the author of the article. You don't attack what he wrote you attack him, you say he hasn't studied German History but do nothing to prove him wrong.

Nothing to prove him wrong? I don't have the time nor the energy to type out what is easily found in history books. Read up on German history from 1845-1945, and you will clearly see how and why Hitler came into power. If you would like some references, please let me know, and when I get off work, I will send them to you.
And comparing Hitler's rise to power to Bush's win is plain idiotic. Yea, the US is coming off of a war in which we lost, and were destroyed both economically and militarily. We also are coming off of a monarchial rule and are seaching for a place back in western society...