A Hugo Chavez thread . . . come on we have to do it this guy is outrageous!

[Genx87]

If you can't say a word against the coup against Chavez, even if you list good and bad, then you are an enemy of democracy it seems to me.

What about the coup Chavez tried to perform in 1992?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

If you can't say a word against the coup against Chavez, even if you list good and bad, then you are an enemy of democracy it seems to me.

What about the coup Chavez tried to perform in 1992?

Duh!!! :thumbsup:

Chavez is Castro light, this guy worships Castro, wants to be just like him, el presidente for life you might say.

The BBC says that Chavez "has made no secret of the fact that he is in favour of amending the constitution so that he can run again for president in 2012." In spite of a presidential term limit of 12 years, according to The Economist, Chávez often suggests that he will remain in power for 25 years, a claim he denies as a misinterpretation of his intent. Chávez has said that if the opposition boycotts the 2006 Venezuelan presidential election he "might sign a decree calling for a popular referendum - Do you agree that Chavez should run for a third term in 2013??

and yet more good things about Chavez

In 2006 Chávez announced Venezuela's bid to win a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council; Washington officials are encouraging Latin American and Caribbean nations to vote instead for Guatemala. Analysts quoted by Forbes Magazine say that Chávez will offer to supply 20% of China's crude oil needs if Beijing backs Venezuela's bid to join the UN Security Council. In Chile, the press is concerned that Venezuelan grants for flood aid might affect the government's decision about which country to support for admission to the UN Security Council.

He is trying to bribe his way onto the UN Security Council.
Looks like he is following Saddam's lead by bribing the world with oil.

Best arguement for getting off oil, take power away from leftist crazies like this and the mullahs in the Middle East.

 

[Vic]

Bush is bad, Chavez is worse.

BTW, I love the outcry of the 2002 "coup." The commander-in-chief of the Venezuelan Army who led that "coup" kept his job afterwards and is Chavez's Interior Minister today.

Hmmm....

I agree with Nancy Pelosi on this matter. The only thing Chavez did at the UN on the 20th was make both himself and his country look bad, and ruin Venezuela's chances of getting on the Security Council. Good riddance.

 

[DealMonkey]

Hugo who?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Hugo who?

Hugo Boss, you know the guy the cologne is named after.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Craig234
Look, K1052, Chavez is the first non-white leader of Venezuela in at least a very long time, the first that isn't just representing the 400 families or so who own most of the wealth but instead represents the poor and has done a huge amount for them.

Chavez has been the champion of democracy, while his opponents are increasingly anti-democratic, as they try to use economics and force to 'terrorize' the population into opposing Chavez, doing everything from massive false propaganda to a well-planned coup ro a devastating economic shutdown.

He is not just a 'caricature of the leftist' type, he has some much more serious policies designed to improve the country. With the US supporting the coup and pouring millions into his enemies' pockets to disrupt democracy, he has a reason to make it a bit personal with Bush. Remember Bush, before invading Iraq, saying Saddam 'tried to kill his daddy'?

I have my own concers about Chavez, especially the idea of his having a 25 year term, but I think he's doing a lot of good for the nation to break up the horrible, unjust feudalistic hold where a few hundred families keep the rest of the nation impoverished. Any moral, informed person would have little choice but to agree, it seems to me.

He is sure as hell acting like one on the international politics scene.

Everything else you talked about are domestic VZ affairs which should be his primary forcus instead of grandstanding and repeatedly bashing the sitting president of a country he is currently the guest of. Personally I don't care for him either and wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

He's not a guest of any country. The UN is international soil, and his ambassy to the UN venezuelan soil.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Craig234
Look, K1052, Chavez is the first non-white leader of Venezuela in at least a very long time, the first that isn't just representing the 400 families or so who own most of the wealth but instead represents the poor and has done a huge amount for them.

Chavez has been the champion of democracy, while his opponents are increasingly anti-democratic, as they try to use economics and force to 'terrorize' the population into opposing Chavez, doing everything from massive false propaganda to a well-planned coup ro a devastating economic shutdown.

He is not just a 'caricature of the leftist' type, he has some much more serious policies designed to improve the country. With the US supporting the coup and pouring millions into his enemies' pockets to disrupt democracy, he has a reason to make it a bit personal with Bush. Remember Bush, before invading Iraq, saying Saddam 'tried to kill his daddy'?

I have my own concers about Chavez, especially the idea of his having a 25 year term, but I think he's doing a lot of good for the nation to break up the horrible, unjust feudalistic hold where a few hundred families keep the rest of the nation impoverished. Any moral, informed person would have little choice but to agree, it seems to me.

He is sure as hell acting like one on the international politics scene.

Everything else you talked about are domestic VZ affairs which should be his primary forcus instead of grandstanding and repeatedly bashing the sitting president of a country he is currently the guest of. Personally I don't care for him either and wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

He's not a guest of any country. The UN is international soil, and his ambassy to the UN venezuelan soil.

Read the thread.

He can say whatever he wants at the UN and couldn't care less. The second he steps on US soil as our gest and as a head of state behaves that way I get a little pissed since he is disrespecting the country in general by doing so. Even Bush's staunchest Democratic critics found it unacceptable and defended the President (at least out of respect for the office itself if not the man).

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html

Chavez kept up his criticism of Bush during a visit to Harlem on Thursday, calling the U.S. president "a sick man" who is unqualified for the job. Chavez also said he is expanding his heating-oil program to help low-income Americans

But in the heart of Rangel's congressional district, he blasted away at Bush for a second day.

"He walks like this cowboy John Wayne," said Chavez. "He doesn't have the slightest idea of politics. He got where he is because he is the son of his father. He was an alcoholic, an ex-alcoholic. He's a sick man, full of complexes, but very dangerous now because he has a lot of power."

Chavez, clad in a fire-engine-red shirt, called Bush a "menace" and a "threat against life on the planet."

In the United States, rich people are getting richer, and poor people are getting poorer, he said. "That's not a democracy; that's a tyranny."

 

[Pabster]

It's time for the US to pull out of the UN, and for us to get the UN out of the US.

The UN has become nothing but a cabal of countries who hate America. That is, until we deliver our annual $3 billion paycheck to support them.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Pabster
It's time for the US to pull out of the UN, and for us to get the UN out of the US.

The UN has become nothing but a cabal of countries who hate America. That is, until we deliver our annual $3 billion paycheck to support them.

Don't forget the old saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer".

 

[Craig234]

Pabster yet again posts false information.

I recently listened to a list from Thom Hartmann of recent UN accomplishments of good around the world - its a remarkable list of all kinds of saving lives, reducing disease, increasing literacy - outstanding programs which would not be done without the UN. Pabster needs someone following him around correcting each post it seems, a disgraceful record.

As for Chavez's comments on Bush - I happen to think they're accurate. Whether it's good for him to say them where he did is a valid debate. But how many on the right would criticize Reagan for criticizing the USSR while speaking in East Germany, for example? They'd call it heroic, strong leadership, spreading the truth, etc. Double standard.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Pabster yet again posts false information.

I recently listened to a list from Thom Hartmann of recent UN accomplishments of good around the world - its a remarkable list of all kinds of saving lives, reducing disease, increasing literacy - outstanding programs which would not be done without the UN. Pabster needs someone following him around correcting each post it seems, a disgraceful record.

As for Chavez's comments on Bush - I happen to think they're accurate. Whether it's good for him to say them where he did is a valid debate. But how many on the right would criticize Reagan for criticizing the USSR while speaking in East Germany, for example? They'd call it heroic, strong leadership, spreading the truth, etc. Double standard.

I'd personally describe it stupid, undipolmatic, and conduct unbecoming a visiting head of state.

Same goes here IMO.