Originally posted by: Craig234
The truth hurts, don't it?
Lies hurt - it's why I object to your posts so far. Stop lying.
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The ultra wealthy in Venezuela own about 90% of the media, and are constantly using it to propagandize and lie about Chavez. Chavez has just one channel for his own views to be aired on, which he uses for a weekly call-in show.
Hint: the poverty rate in Venezuela is 85%. Capeche?"
That has nothing to do with the issue. You said that he doesn't allow free speech. That's a lie, as the media in his country is dominated by his enemies who tell big lies about him.
There may be some supression, but your statement was wrong in implying that there isn't any free speech under him.
On top of that, we have the Bush administration trying to imprison reporters who expose wrongdoing by it.
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The right wing enemies harangue him constantly; during the coup, they showed lies about what led to the coup, lies about what happened with the coup. He allows all that to continue.
He "allows" what to continue? You are defending a Dictator who has no concept of free speech, other than for himself?"
Uh, he allows what I said to continue, his enemies to dominate the media and lie. I'm defending the truth against your lie that he doesn't allow any free speech.
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He shows far more tolerance of free speech by doing that, than the republicans do where the press is more right wing than left wing, with practically a whole network news channel serving as their outlet as well as the rest of the media being soft on them.
Two wrongs make a right? Or is there a point you were trying to make?"
The first 'wrong', Venezuelas: how is it a wrong that he allows the enemies' speech?
The second wrong, republicans': we agree that is a wrong.
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Chavez has his issues - but the man is leading a small, relatively poor nation as he is in the sites of the radicals running the most powerful nation on earth, who have had men in Chavez's situation killed before. He has to defend against that. Even now, the US is pouring millions into disrupt the politics in Venezuela - something we outlaw for ourselves.
He's a thug. God I can't believe I quote Pelosi in a post. Without his oil he is powerless, much like many ME countries."
How is he a "thug" that Bush isn't more of a thug? The man is elected and has done a lot to increase democracy in Venezuela.
For example, he added the power to the people to recall the president - and then when his US-sponsored enemies used the law to try to recall him, he played by the rule. And won.
What's your point about his being "powerless' without oil? That has nothing to do with the issues under discussion.
"As for "pouring in millions" ... yes, we routinely aid those who seek to overthrow and remove dictators. The reason is pretty much common sense."
He's an elected president, not a dictator (lie). While it's true that we repeatedly have spent sums to overthrow elected officials, it's wrong, and you are wrong to support it.
You are an enemy of democracy for your position.
Again, we agree the reason is pretty much common sense; the naked pursuit of our own power at the expense of the other nation's interests in freedom and democracy.
Sometimes, we're on the side of right, sometimes we're not. The liberals are able to see both; you are not able to see when you're wrong.
You blind yourself with your little 'BAF' type propaganda.
I'm sure leftists would have no problem if Bush emulated that move...
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