A Heavily Armed Citizenry Is A Virtue

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Jun 26, 2007
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I thought that's what you had Iran and other rogue nations for. You seem to trust everyone with a nuke, why not a gun?

You will never understand this since the "right to own a gun" is what you understand of the constitution and you will NEVER change your mind on it.

What he's saying is that no matter what guns you own the army of your government can eliminate you and yeah, now go ahead and argue that the army would be on YOUR side making your toys REALLY irrelevant.

The second amendment has NOTHING to do with private citizens owning guns for private use, NOTHING what so ever.

Look at Switzerland to get the intention you ridiculous twats.
 
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We don't care what you or any other non US citizen has to say as you have no dog in the hunt. Discuss it all you want but don't get butthurt when you're told you have no say in matter.

Greta, then SHUT THE FUCK UP about Syria, Palestine, Israel... well EVERY OTHER FUCKING NATION.

Because you have no say and your opinion from what i have seen is that of a retarded rottweiler rooting for terrorists.
 

Phanuel

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The second amendment has NOTHING to do with private citizens owning guns for private use, NOTHING what so ever.

Except that it means exactly that.


The private citizen is allowed to own a firearm so that they can, in times of need, form militias to fight government oppression.


If you instead rely on the government holding onto the weapons of the private citizens, you've handed over all of your power and have none left. How do you propose to form a militia if the government can go, "Whoops, need to take all these weapons away first...oh hey, now you've got no guns, time to run you over now, thanks!"

Oh right, you can't.
 

exdeath

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My rights are given to me by me. No amount of arguing or legislation will ever change that.

From here on out I'll use every means necessary to ensure that I have mine. Politics are irrelevant.
 
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xj0hnx

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The second amendment has NOTHING to do with private citizens owning guns for private use, NOTHING what so ever.

Your ignorant opinion is completely wrong, it absolutely is ...unless the words the people confuses you, which I don't doubt.
 

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OP u realize u sound like a nutcase yea? Ure paranoid to the extreme! Calm da hell down, ur pea shooters aren't gonna do jack all against tanks & fighter jets. Its 2013, not the 18th century!

In the middle east most everyone is armed, but it really hasn't made the government fear anyone. Saddam used biological weapons, tanks, & fighter jets to bring the kurds to their knees. Small arms sure as hell aren't helping the rebels in syria against the governments tanks & fighter jets. The most important thing to resist oppression is proper legislation & laws that keep power checked.
 
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BrayD

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OP u realize u sound like a nutcase yea? Ure paranoid to the extreme! Calm da hell down, ur pea shooters aren't gonna do jack all against tanks & fighter jets. Its 2013, not the 18th century!

In the middle east most everyone is armed, but it really hasn't made the government fear anyone. Saddam used biological weapons, tanks, & fighter jets to bring the kurds to their knees. Small arms sure as hell aren't helping the rebels in syria against the governments tanks & fighter jets. The most important thing to resist oppression is proper legislation & laws that keep power checked.

I have seen this argument made many times and it is extremely short sighted. You mention Syria as an example of how their rifles aren't helping them against their gov'ts tanks and jets. But at the same time you fail to mention Libya and Egypt where the people there successfully overthrew their gov'ts who were armed with, not surprising, tanks and jets. Yes, our tanks and jets are much more advanced than theirs, but it still shows that a people can defeat a superior armed gov't. Also, history is frought with examples of a superior and more advanced force losing to one less so.

In addition, unless such an event were to be fought in a vaccum, numerous other countries and organizations would supply the American people with the arms and supplies they need to fight the gov't, just like what happened in Egypt and Libya. Thats not even including the thousands of Americans already in the military who would "defect" to the side of the peopel bringing along all the jets and tanks they could.

The 2nd Amendment is there as a first line of defense, to gives us a chance in the initial days of a revolution. If the gov't decides to escalate the conflict by using jets and tanks, the people, and the rest of the globe, would respond in kind.

When it comes down to it, I would much rather start off a thoerized revoltion being armed with a rifle or handgun, than a knife or rocks.
 

BrightCandle

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Not as an american I find the right to arms a tricky beast. In my mind the amendment certainly suggests that you should as a private individual be able to own a tank, a jet or whatever other military hardware you can get your hands on. Because it seems in the spirit of laws intention to be able to overthrow governments.

Restricting people to semi automatic firearms seems in direct contradiction to the intention of the law, so I personally think the amendment has already been subverted by your government since the beginning of the 20th century. I wouldn't stand for it were I an American, what is the point of such a constitution if the government can weaken your rights in their favour.

The other way I look at this is maybe the intention really was just rifles for personal defence and a deterrent to government that if ever used would result in horrid loss of life. Thus 20th century advances are very much a problem and should be banned. But I am on the tanks and jets side of this (despite being from the UK). I am not the sort of person that believes guns are the source of horrific violence in the USA.
 

BrayD

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BrightCandle, that is exactly why there is so much outcry over restricting the 2nd Amendment. Over the past decade the gov't has restricted so many of our rights and have passed many borderline unconstitutional Acts and policies (Patriot Act, NDAA, warentless wiretaps, etc.) that many Americans have finally had enough of it and are putting their foot down. The current debate on the 2nd Amendment isn't just about guns, but also the gov't trying to limit our Constitutional rights in an unconstitutional way. The 2nd Amendment clearly says "shall not be infringed". Only another Amendment can override that, not some policy or Act.
 

BrightCandle

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Why have you not taken up arms and removed your government. Surely the point of all these guns is to defend the constitution and the rights your fore bearers fought hard for? No greater chrome than the taking of ones constitutional rights surely?