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A few Vista Beta 1 impressions

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NFS4

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Well, just got it installed on my laptop. Don't see any transparency stuff with my integrated Intel graphics. From what I've read, it only supports NVIDIA and ATI hardware :(

That being said, this OS is pretty damn fast and is easily as fast or faster than XP on the same hardware.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Well, just got it installed on my laptop. Don't see any transparency stuff with my integrated Intel graphics. From what I've read, it only supports NVIDIA and ATI hardware :(

That being said, this OS is pretty damn fast and is easily as fast or faster than XP on the same hardware.

Wha??

How can it be faster? unless its caching everything?

Do you mean general browsing? I need more details!!
 

NFS4

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: NFS4
Well, just got it installed on my laptop. Don't see any transparency stuff with my integrated Intel graphics. From what I've read, it only supports NVIDIA and ATI hardware :(

That being said, this OS is pretty damn fast and is easily as fast or faster than XP on the same hardware.

Wha??

How can it be faster? unless its caching everything?

Do you mean general browsing? I need more details!!

General browsing, just about everything. My thoughts are pretty much mirrored here:
Surprisingly, Windows Vista Beta 1 is a speedy performer. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see statistics showing that it's already faster than XP on the same hardware. This is somewhat confusing to me, since early betas are generally not tuned for performance. Plus, Vista has an incredibly dense UI compared to XP. I'll be interested to see whether this changes over time.
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_beta1_01.asp


 
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Originally posted by: NFS4
That being said, this OS is pretty damn fast and is easily as fast or faster than XP on the same hardware.
That's really good to hear on a first run beta of the OS. HOPEFULLY, it will stay as fast with improvements to code down the road, or get even faster (which I'm not holding my breath for).
 

NFS4

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I should also mention that is fast SPEED wise. It is very SLOW as far as intuitiveness goes. It is proving hard for me to get used to the GUI changes and how everything works now. A lot of simple things that ones has become accustomed to doing in Windows XP (or even Windows 2000 or Windows 98 for that matter) are torn up and tossed out with Vista Beta 1.

The whole documents/virtual folders thing is very confusing to me. Anyway, to get an idea of what I'm talking about, read the article I linked a few posts up.
 

CVSiN

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Jul 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: TriStar
Why would anybody care?

I care newb now run along back to kindergarten and let the adults speak...

Vista looks pimp man thanks for the screenies and the impressions.
 

thehstrybean

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Oct 25, 2004
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How much is an extra license for XP Pro? I read on the MS website that you just have to enter your product key and it will tell you if you're elegible, then you can buy them...I need to do this because I have XP Pro installed on 3 computers with 1 license...Anybody buy a license?
 

MageXX9

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Geez, so many haters in this thread. Sounds like every other Windows basher out there. They have made so many improvements in this OS I don't know where to start. The *ONLY* thing that didn't get in was WinFS. Everything in this OS was built from the ground up, even the networking stack. The new windowing environment, Avalon, will allow developers to make rich GUI's very very easily using the declarative XML based language. And, the web services provided by Indigo will tie stuff together better.


Just wait guys, the good stuff will come when developers start taking advantage of these new things. Microsoft has raised the bar on abstraction and should pave the way for some really cool stuff.
 

n7

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Editted original post again.

Added some of NFS4's thoughts.
 

jalaram

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Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.meversusthem.com/vista/index...image=d6b75cd3dbc82550a49b460114ada760
...omg.. people should be required to be blind to use that

Remember the old view options? Small icons vs. Large icons. That's simply the Whole Screen icons option. :)

I like the new look, but I'm more curious about change in how Windows works/organizes things. It took some time to change from Program Manager/File Manager to the NT 4.0 style. This'll just be another change.
 

sonz70

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
So basically they updated the driver suite and changed the interface. Adding no real features whatsoever.

Windows 2000
Windows 2000 2 (XP) NEW INTERFACE AND DRIVERS!
Windows 2000 3 (2003) NEW DRIVERS AND SECURITY BUG FIXES!
Windows 2000 4 (Vista) NEW INTERFACE AND DRIVERS!

Im sure theyll gimp 2000 somehow to force us to upgrade, oh wait theyve already thought of that. WGF 1.0, when games need that itll be time to shell out $200 to MS again.

Anyone try disabling the pagefile yet? i bet MS still cant code their OS to run resident in memory.

heh, I have never bought an operating system to this day. A streak I plan on keeping.

 

eLiu

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Jun 4, 2001
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My question:

How much of this eyecandy BS can be turned off? I don't want windows eating my RAM...it shouldn't use any more than like 200MB at idle (less than that I hope!). I don't care about it being pretty...I want stable and low-resource useage...like XP when you turn everything off or Win2k. '

edit: I'm not a fan of the new look...I still prefer "Windows Classic" :)
 

brikis98

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looks like all they did was make a new GUI, and its an OS X ripoff at that. i'll only be impressed if this thing can be made to run fast & smooth, and at 400MB of RAM eaten up at startup, I don't see that happening.
 

Maverick

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Looks very KDE/OSX like...about time MS caught up...4 years of sitting around has made XP look pretty dated.
 

archcommus

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Okay...let's start addressing the real issues here...not the GUI or RAM usage, but the organization, content, and usage of this OS. I'm reading NFS4's link, and this naming confusion and Virtual Folders confusion worries me. I'm big on organization and anything that tries to mess with that will be personally terminated by me. :D Basically, I understand the need for Virtual Folders. They help people who CAN'T organize. No matter where on the HDD they drop their crap, they can find all of it in a Virtual Folder. Okay, that's fine and dandy, but for people like myself, who already store all their documents in a smart location anyway, I better damn well be able to ignore Virtual Folders and not use them for anything. THUS, it makes me very mad that the Documents link, for example, in the Start Menu, opens up the VIRTUAL All Documents folder and not the TRUE Documents folder. Anyone else share this concern with me?

And finally, the author of that article says that this will have to do until MS finally drops drive-letter based organization. Can anyone clarify what this means? If he means we need a way of doing things where the physical location of a file doesn't matter, that worries me even more. All that's saying is "We need a system where people can put files wherever the hell they please and can still find them and not worry about organizing it."

This is like the same thing with Gmail. Google encourages you to not worry about organizing your emails because their search feature is so awesome. Well I'm not real keen on doing that. By doing that, you NEVER really have a good idea of how many emails or what kind of emails you're storing. You have no idea what you have. But, when you want to find it, you can. Pushing that way of thinking in an OS doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
 

batmang

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Originally posted by: archcommus
There's no way Vista will be as big of a release as XP was. It'll look "prettier" and have a few interesting features. I bet that is all. Really, for me, stability and such is already perfect with XP.


i love xp, but vista looks awesome.... but its such a resource hog.... christ.
 
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Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay...let's start addressing the real issues here...not the GUI or RAM usage, but the organization, content, and usage of this OS. I'm reading NFS4's link, and this naming confusion and Virtual Folders confusion worries me. I'm big on organization and anything that tries to mess with that will be personally terminated by me. :D Basically, I understand the need for Virtual Folders. They help people who CAN'T organize. No matter where on the HDD they drop their crap, they can find all of it in a Virtual Folder. Okay, that's fine and dandy, but for people like myself, who already store all their documents in a smart location anyway, I better damn well be able to ignore Virtual Folders and not use them for anything. THUS, it makes me very mad that the Documents link, for example, in the Start Menu, opens up the VIRTUAL All Documents folder and not the TRUE Documents folder. Anyone else share this concern with me?

And finally, the author of that article says that this will have to do until MS finally drops drive-letter based organization. Can anyone clarify what this means? If he means we need a way of doing things where the physical location of a file doesn't matter, that worries me even more. All that's saying is "We need a system where people can put files wherever the hell they please and can still find them and not worry about organizing it."

This is like the same thing with Gmail. Google encourages you to not worry about organizing your emails because their search feature is so awesome. Well I'm not real keen on doing that. By doing that, you NEVER really have a good idea of how many emails or what kind of emails you're storing. You have no idea what you have. But, when you want to find it, you can. Pushing that way of thinking in an OS doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I agree with almost all of that. To reply to your first paragraph specifically, it does concern me of the main link in the start menu taking you to the virtual folder, and the confusion ensues about which folder you're actually in. The great thing about it? This is a beta, so hopefully enough people will give feedback to fix this in the final release, or atleast present a better solution. Chances are, you will be able to customize the start menu fully like you can in XP, so I'm not too worried about this facet yet. It should be possible to remove that link entirely, and/or change it or replace it.
 

eLiu

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Jun 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay...let's start addressing the real issues here...not the GUI or RAM usage, but the organization, content, and usage of this OS. I'm reading NFS4's link, and this naming confusion and Virtual Folders confusion worries me. I'm big on organization and anything that tries to mess with that will be personally terminated by me. :D Basically, I understand the need for Virtual Folders. They help people who CAN'T organize. No matter where on the HDD they drop their crap, they can find all of it in a Virtual Folder. Okay, that's fine and dandy, but for people like myself, who already store all their documents in a smart location anyway, I better damn well be able to ignore Virtual Folders and not use them for anything. THUS, it makes me very mad that the Documents link, for example, in the Start Menu, opens up the VIRTUAL All Documents folder and not the TRUE Documents folder. Anyone else share this concern with me?

And finally, the author of that article says that this will have to do until MS finally drops drive-letter based organization. Can anyone clarify what this means? If he means we need a way of doing things where the physical location of a file doesn't matter, that worries me even more. All that's saying is "We need a system where people can put files wherever the hell they please and can still find them and not worry about organizing it."

This is like the same thing with Gmail. Google encourages you to not worry about organizing your emails because their search feature is so awesome. Well I'm not real keen on doing that. By doing that, you NEVER really have a good idea of how many emails or what kind of emails you're storing. You have no idea what you have. But, when you want to find it, you can. Pushing that way of thinking in an OS doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I agree with almost all of that. To reply to your first paragraph specifically, it does concern me of the main link in the start menu taking you to the virtual folder, and the confusion ensues about which folder you're actually in. The great thing about it? This is a beta, so hopefully enough people will give feedback to fix this in the final release, or atleast present a better solution. Chances are, you will be able to customize the start menu fully like you can in XP, so I'm not too worried about this facet yet. It should be possible to remove that link entirely, and/or change it or replace it.

I don't like the idea of searching. I know where my sh!t is, and I can most certainly get there faster than windows can search 300GB of files.

Don't want or need fancy file interfaces, pretty GUIs, etc...just something that is stable, compatible with crap, and won't eat my system resources...
 

archcommus

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Hopefully more people will address my post soon. I think this is the biggest issue at hand.

And the author complains of this version of Windows not being a revolution. Sorry, but for something that's sold to millions of common users, a "revolution" will never happen. Change must be gradual and easy to adapt to.
 

torpid

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I think it is somewhat revolutionary, but not to the user. To people who are going to write programs and services for it, it's quite a leap ahead. Ultimately this will hopefully pay off to the user in the form of new applications.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: eLiu
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: archcommus
Okay...let's start addressing the real issues here...not the GUI or RAM usage, but the organization, content, and usage of this OS. I'm reading NFS4's link, and this naming confusion and Virtual Folders confusion worries me. I'm big on organization and anything that tries to mess with that will be personally terminated by me. :D Basically, I understand the need for Virtual Folders. They help people who CAN'T organize. No matter where on the HDD they drop their crap, they can find all of it in a Virtual Folder. Okay, that's fine and dandy, but for people like myself, who already store all their documents in a smart location anyway, I better damn well be able to ignore Virtual Folders and not use them for anything. THUS, it makes me very mad that the Documents link, for example, in the Start Menu, opens up the VIRTUAL All Documents folder and not the TRUE Documents folder. Anyone else share this concern with me?

And finally, the author of that article says that this will have to do until MS finally drops drive-letter based organization. Can anyone clarify what this means? If he means we need a way of doing things where the physical location of a file doesn't matter, that worries me even more. All that's saying is "We need a system where people can put files wherever the hell they please and can still find them and not worry about organizing it."

This is like the same thing with Gmail. Google encourages you to not worry about organizing your emails because their search feature is so awesome. Well I'm not real keen on doing that. By doing that, you NEVER really have a good idea of how many emails or what kind of emails you're storing. You have no idea what you have. But, when you want to find it, you can. Pushing that way of thinking in an OS doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
I agree with almost all of that. To reply to your first paragraph specifically, it does concern me of the main link in the start menu taking you to the virtual folder, and the confusion ensues about which folder you're actually in. The great thing about it? This is a beta, so hopefully enough people will give feedback to fix this in the final release, or atleast present a better solution. Chances are, you will be able to customize the start menu fully like you can in XP, so I'm not too worried about this facet yet. It should be possible to remove that link entirely, and/or change it or replace it.

I don't like the idea of searching. I know where my sh!t is, and I can most certainly get there faster than windows can search 300GB of files.

Don't want or need fancy file interfaces, pretty GUIs, etc...just something that is stable, compatible with crap, and won't eat my system resources...

you really have no idea about the speed and power of searching do you? go download copernic desktop search, its free. its INSTANT!! its the future. digging through hd manually for media/document files should be rare, its tedious work for chumps.