Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I wondered when this would get posted. I figured DM would post it sooner or later - seems you beat him to it.
BTW - I like your renaming DC idea. You think it'd lower crime?
CkG
HEY! Don't try second-guessing me, Cad!
By the way, Nancy came out with a statement and she doesn't want her husband on the dime. Didn't anyone think to ask the Reagans what they wanted?!? OMG! Think of the REAGANS instead of yourselves, you selfish, idol-worshipping, devilish GOP MFs! What's next? Some slanderous made-for-TV movie about the Reagans? Sheesh, I suppose no one will ask them what they think of that either ... What a country.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I wondered when this would get posted. I figured DM would post it sooner or later - seems you beat him to it.
BTW - I like your renaming DC idea. You think it'd lower crime?
CkG
HEY! Don't try second-guessing me, Cad!
By the way, Nancy came out with a statement and she doesn't want her husband on the dime. Didn't anyone think to ask the Reagans what they wanted?!? OMG! Think of the REAGANS instead of yourselves, you selfish, idol-worshipping, devilish GOP MFs! What's next? Some slanderous made-for-TV movie about the Reagans? Sheesh, I suppose no one will ask them what they think of that either ... What a country.
Mike Reagan stated last evening that he doesn't think his father would want to replace FDR on the dime.
I don't much have an opinion on the matter as a dime is and still would be $.10
It spends no matter who's face is on it I'd much rather see Reagan on Mt. Rushmore than on a coin
Dave - I think there is still a portion of California that is still dubbed "Reagan Country" by some. Like the places between and around the Reagan Ranch and Library.
CkG
Yes, it's quite humorous that one of your big arguments about "The Reagans" TV movie was that nobody asked the Reagans what they thought yet now that the GOP is pushing this issue against the will of the Reagan family we hear jack squat out of you. Hmmmmmm, why is that?Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Mike Reagan stated last evening that he doesn't think his father would want to replace FDR on the dime.
I don't much have an opinion on the matter as a dime is and still would be $.10
I'd much rather see Reagan on Mt. Rushmore than on a coin
Dave - I think there is still a portion of California that is still dubbed "Reagan Country" by some. Like the places between and around the Reagan Ranch and Library.
CkG
i dont side with the dems or repubs (conservatives/liberals) but if it was between FDR and Reagan..FDR wins hands down...its just that Reagan doesnt hold a candle to FDR and what he lead the country through.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yes, it's quite humorous that one of your big arguments about "The Reagans" TV movie was that nobody asked the Reagans what they thought yet now that the GOP is pushing this issue against the will of the Reagan family we hear jack squat out of you. Hmmmmmm, why is that?Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Mike Reagan stated last evening that he doesn't think his father would want to replace FDR on the dime.
I don't much have an opinion on the matter as a dime is and still would be $.10
I'd much rather see Reagan on Mt. Rushmore than on a coin
Dave - I think there is still a portion of California that is still dubbed "Reagan Country" by some. Like the places between and around the Reagan Ranch and Library.
CkG
Does a Dime supposedly tell a story about someone?
So unless you've changed your tune about actually asking the Reagans before making the movie then you best shut your yapper about this....or is it not the same?
CkG
Nothing, that's why I wonder why they'd want to replace him.
A much more sensible option would be to take the paper dollar out of circulation and replace it with a brass dollar bearing his image. Reps will like it because it honours him and dems will like it because the enourmous savings can be put towards paying off his debt
Do liberals think any Republican is anything other than "The worst president in history"? Every time a discussion comes up about a Republican President, Bush, Bush Sr, Reagan.. all we hear is how they were were so bad for the country.. (History seems to prove otherwise) Can you guys come up with anything other than that? I mean, in 100 years, the Republican candidate is gonna have to be Satan himself in order to keep this up.. at some point, a republican is gonna have to be "not that bad".. or "acceptable"..
Hell, I can be intellectually honest and say Clinton was "not that bad".. he got nothing accomplished, and some of his thinking was kind of conservative.. I would have perferred he not be President, but I won't say he was the "worst ever"..
Liberals are just hypocrits who hate anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Hell, I can be intellectually honest and say Clinton was "not that bad".. he got nothing accomplished, and some of his thinking was kind of conservative.. I would have perferred he not be President, but I won't say he was the "worst ever"..
Liberals are just hypocrits who hate anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Nothing, that's why I wonder why they'd want to replace him.
A much more sensible option would be to take the paper dollar out of circulation and replace it with a brass dollar bearing his image. Reps will like it because it honours him and dems will like it because the enourmous savings can be put towards paying off his debt
Oh ok. We Americans don't like the idea of a dollar coin. The gold Sacagewa coin failed miserably a few years ago, so making a new one with Reagan on it would suffer the same fate.
Attacking what you see as a sweeping generalization with a sweeping generalization of your own. Classic.
You read what you want to believe. You want to believe that liberals are one dimensional hate mongers who hate... uhh... Republicans I guess... so you read the posts of Reagan haters and think they speak for all those of us who consider ourselves not conservative.
My personal opinion is that Reagan was a good President. I don't like his trickle-down economic policies, or his use of racial animosities to win votes, but he brought about a generally positive message needed after the late 60's and 70's and of course presided over the downfall of the Soviet Union. I think George H.W. was a better President then Reagan because he worked to clean up the mess of Reagan's economic policies and set the stage for Clinton's economic successes. Clinton pretty much continued the conservative economic agenda, and for that you won't see me praising him. The gap between the wealthy and poor has been increasing since the Reagan years, Clinton did nothing to reverse it and obviously our current President isn't doing anything either.
Who cares what the story is - the point is: Why didn't the GOP ask the Reagans what they thought? I'm just wondering why you're not wondering the same thing. Obviously the Reagans don't want Ron to be on the dime. Nancy said so. Apparantly Mike thinks the same thing.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Does a Dime supposedly tell a story about someone?Two totally different things - and no I don't much care one way or the other on this issue of the Dime, but to try to say it's the same deal as a movie supposedly portraying someone's life is asinine.
So unless you've changed your tune about actually asking the Reagans before making the movie then you best shut your yapper about this....or is it not the same?
CkG
If you really want to be consistant Cad, you should insist that the Reagans be asked in BOTH cases. Or do you just not care about the wishes of the Reagans?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Who cares what the story is - the point is: Why didn't the GOP ask the Reagans what they thought? I'm just wondering why you're not wondering the same thing. Obviously the Reagans don't want Ron to be on the dime. Nancy said so. Apparantly Mike thinks the same thing.Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Does a Dime supposedly tell a story about someone?Two totally different things - and no I don't much care one way or the other on this issue of the Dime, but to try to say it's the same deal as a movie supposedly portraying someone's life is asinine.
So unless you've changed your tune about actually asking the Reagans before making the movie then you best shut your yapper about this....or is it not the same?
CkG
If you really want to be consistant Cad, you should insist that the Reagans be asked in BOTH cases. Or do you just not care about the wishes of the Reagans?
They are two different things - DM
But yes, IMO they could have asked the Reagan's about it before saying something, but that doesn't change the fact that a story about them and a tribute to Reagan via the Dime are entirely two different things. Permission for a dime isn't the same as trying to get the REAL story from the people the story is supposed to be about. Now I guess if someone were going to be consistant then they should have supported the idea that the Reagan's should have been interviewed for the movie if they are going to criticize the Reagan's not being asked "permission" to put Ron on a Dime. But ofcourse you don't seem to want to recognize the difference.But remember - the Dime hasn't happened yet - it is still just a proposal being talked about. If they went ahead and just did it without consulting the Reagans then you'd have a better argument although it still isn't an apples to apples comparison.
CkG
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
They are two different things - DM
So, the opinion of the Reagans only matters depending on the scenario? That seems like a pretty big double-standard. Either you respect the will of the family or you don't.
You forget though, I didn't care either way if the producers of "The Reagans" got permission or not. But YOU did. I still maintain that you can make a TV docu-drama about an American president without going directly to the president himself. You know how? By talking to the people who surround the president and work with him day in and day out.
If by "...talked about..." you mean an actual bill in Congress -- the "Ronald Reagan Dime Act" to be precise, then sure it hasn't happened yet. I guess we'll have to see how the votes are cast.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
They are two different things - DM
So, the opinion of the Reagans only matters depending on the scenario? That seems like a pretty big double-standard. Either you respect the will of the family or you don't.
You forget though, I didn't care either way if the producers of "The Reagans" got permission or not. But YOU did. I still maintain that you can make a TV docu-drama about an American president without going directly to the president himself. You know how? By talking to the people who surround the president and work with him day in and day out.
If by "...talked about..." you mean an actual bill in Congress -- the "Ronald Reagan Dime Act" to be precise, then sure it hasn't happened yet. I guess we'll have to see how the votes are cast.
No - I'm saying that in one scenario it wasn't an "opinion" factor - it was a matter of asking for the story. Don't you think that if you are going to try to do an accurate or even somewhat accurate story on the life of a Family - you should consult/interview the family you are making a movie about?
The second item is the Dime - IMO asking "permission" or asking for support of it would be the right thing to do. But again - they aren't comparable issues. I don't care if the Reagans were asked permission to produce a movie(by anyone) - I'm just saying that if you are going to produce a movie about them you should atleast attempt to interview/consult them and get the story directly, no?
No - I didn't say they had to get permission - my point was that they weren't even consulted/interviewed to get the "story" from the people(family) who it was supposed to be about. So yes - you are the one making a big deal about permission. Making a movie doesn't require "permission" from the family but to make it close to reality - don't you think you could interview/consult the family it is about?
Yes - talked about. Did you forget about a bill put forth to force 2 years of military service by some whack job? Yes - that too is just talking about it.
Got anything else DM? You don't seem to have made your argument well. "Permission" for a dime is different than "consultation/interviewing" for a film. Check what I posted in the Reagan film threads and you will see that I didn't bring up "permission" - but consistantly used "consultation", "interview", or get the story from - type statements and not "permission". If I did use that word than I mis-spoke
but I'm quite sure I didn't and skimmed them again just now to see if I did.CkG
This idea is NOT harmless. It's a lame idea that is disrespectful to our very history.
I'm not knocking Reagan, but as noted, Reagan has already been honored with an aircraft carrier and an airport, not to mention the schools and highways already bearing his name.
There is another reason to keep FDR on the dime. In the 30's and 40's, he was a driving force in promoting the charity currently called, The United Way. At the time he promoted it as The March Of Dimes, which is why that coin was chosen to honor his work.
No matter how great you may think Reagan was as a president, and how desrving he is of yet another honor, there is no way he is any MORE deserving of such honor than Franklin Roosevelt, who led the country out of the Great Depression and led the entire world through World War II. Those achievements, alone, make FDR one of our great presidents.
I think it is short sighted to push one hero off his well deserved pedestal to make room for another. History is about remembering, and it demeans the entire concept of honoring real heros if we just discard them when another one comes along.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Got anything else DM? You don't seem to have made your argument well. "Permission" for a dime is different than "consultation/interviewing" for a film. Check what I posted in the Reagan film threads and you will see that I didn't bring up "permission" - but consistantly used "consultation", "interview", or get the story from - type statements and not "permission". If I did use that word than I mis-spoke
CkG
I guess for me (and perhaps you just don't get it), the irony is just too overwhelming. You've got conservative republicans up in arms over a docu-drama about the Reagan presidency. One of the big arguments being made was that they didn't consult/get permission from the Reagans. After pushing to have it yanked from the CBS line-up, these same republicans, in response to "The Reagans" TV movie, draft a bill to have Reagan placed on the U.S. dime. However, in doing so, they're directly disrespecting the wishes of the Reagan family who don't want such a thing. Not only that, they apparantly didn't ask the Reagan family what they thought of the "dime" idea either. Am I the only one who sees this?
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