A diet that works, FINALLY

[purbeast0]

I am completely shocked at the short term results of this approach.

That sentence was in your post. Unfortunately, unless you are ridiculously disciplined, and supplement appropriately, this is not a viable long-term dietary solution. I'm glad you're seeing some positive results, but I'd talk to a dietician about something more sustainable going forwards.

Good luck!

which is why i stated it is a horrible diet and only a temporary solution!

 

[wyvrn]

Yeah it can be backed up... although it means you weren't eatting that well at all to begin with. What everyone says definately has merit though. Don't overindulge and eat crap. Eat some healthy fats such as nuts... they offer great fat content with no cholesterol. Eat some complex carbs and a shitload of lean meat if you need.

So back it up then. I would love to see any good research. Remember, if it isn't scientifically sound, I will ignore it. What I mean by scientifically sound is a) hasn't already been proven bad (see: Ansel Keys) and b) follows the scientific method.

I do eat nuts. And I am not afraid of cholesterol. In fact, I welcome it. There is one very large and influential study that proved that the risk of very low cholesterol (below 160) was much higher risk of health problems than high cholesterol (above 200, but below 240). I cannot remember the name but will try to find it. Basically, your body needs cholesterol to survive. Below levels of 160, people tend to develop nervous system disorders and other disorders at a higher rate than people with cholesterol at 200 had heart attack. Significantly higher rate, actually.

I avoid lean meat unless I am just in the mood. I do eat fish, however. Lean meat has no correlation to heart attack risk.

 

[wyvrn]

which is why i stated it is a horrible diet and only a temporary solution!

I know the sentence you quote, purbeast0. My qualm was with yoru claim that it is a horrible diet, which you haven't backed up yet. And you aren't going to be able to, either.

My original aim was not to argue, just to share. So at some point I have to get back to work.

I have found arguing with people who refuse to prove their points, well pointless..

 

[Cogman]

mr. anti-education... what are pre-dietetics?

1. I'm not anti education, I just don't have a whole lot of respect for the current public education.
2. You're an asshole
3. I'm sure you've made spelling errors before.
4. Your post is completely unrelated to this thread.

Shall I mention how retarded your profession is in every thread you post in, Mr. Chiropractic quack?

 

[purbeast0]

I know the sentence you quote, purbeast0. My qualm was with yoru claim that it is a horrible diet, which you haven't backed up yet. And you aren't going to be able to, either.

My original aim was not to argue, just to share. So at some point I have to get back to work.

I have found arguing with people who refuse to prove their points, well pointless..

it is a horrible diet BECAUSE it is a temporary solution.

 

[Lean L]

So back it up then. I would love to see any good research. Remember, if it isn't scientifically sound, I will ignore it. What I mean by scientifically sound is a) hasn't already been proven bad (see: Ansel Keys) and b) follows the scientific method.

I do eat nuts. And I am not afraid of cholesterol. In fact, I welcome it. There is one very large and influential study that proved that the risk of very low cholesterol (below 160) was much higher risk of health problems than high cholesterol (above 200, but below 240). I cannot remember the name but will try to find it. Basically, your body needs cholesterol to survive. Below levels of 160, people tend to develop nervous system disorders and other disorders at a higher rate than people with cholesterol at 200 had heart attack. Significantly higher rate, actually.

I avoid lean meat unless I am just in the mood. I do eat fish, however. Lean meat has no correlation to heart attack risk.

I'm saying what you proposed can be backed up...

The last sentense.. what are you arguing against?

 

[wyvrn]

WTF? is the OP serious? I thought he actually did research based on his two first posts... milk is bad.....

Ok I will go halfsies with you. There is very low fat in skim milk, but then what is the point of drinking it in the first place? You can get calcium in other foods.

 

[wyvrn]

I'm saying what you proposed can be backed up...

The last sentense.. what are you arguing against?

Sorry I thought you were taking the other position, based upon the whole of your post.

 

[TheSlamma]

You will clog up eventually, the best diet is one of a hunter/gatherer. You need vegetables and fruit is not bad either. Dump the Dairy and Bread group though.

 

[wyvrn]

it is a horrible diet BECAUSE it is a temporary solution.

Why is it temporary, purbeast0? I didn't say it was intended to be a temporary approach, I said I was shocked at the results in the short run. Sorry if that was confusing. I intend to make changes permanently. I also realize we don't know everything about diet, so as new research is vetted, this diet could change a bit over time. There is yet much to be proven.

 

[Alone]

Why is it temporary, purbeast0? I didn't say it was intended to be a temporary approach, I said I was shocked at the results in the short run. Sorry if that was confusing. I intend to make changes permanently. I also realize we don't know everything about diet, so as new research is vetted, this diet could change a bit over time. There is yet much to be proven.

I believe he's implying that the diet will only work temporarily, even if you stick to it permanently. I'm on this persuasion as well. I just don't see it working out.

 

[eits]

1. I'm not anti education, I just don't have a whole lot of respect for the current public education.
2. You're an asshole
3. I'm sure you've made spelling errors before.
4. Your post is completely unrelated to this thread.

Shall I mention how retarded your profession is in every thread you post in, Mr. Chiropractic quack?

you just keep showing everyone how dumb you are on a daily basis.

get a brain!

 

[darkxshade]

which is why i stated it is a horrible diet and only a temporary solution!

I have to agree somewhat here, the best diet is one that you can live with for the rest of your life. Atkins or something similar is a pure protein approach but you need carbs to function in daily life. There will be a point where you're going to live day to day sluggish and just generally tired because you lack energy. And if ever you should fall off the wagon and go back to normal eating habits, you might end up worse than you started at.

 

[wyvrn]

dropping the sugars is probably what dropped your weight, and your pre-diabetic. Everything else is mostly coincidental.

You would have probably gotten similar results from eating nothing but rice.

*edit* Edited for the ass clown that is stalking me.

Hmm.. so cutting sugar affected triglycerides and cholesterol levels? Actually I think it did, which makes the point in my OP. I also think the carbs and starches affected those levels, which says a lot about the current popular blood cholesterol theory of being caused by intake of saturated fats.

I used to eat a LOT of rice, my wife being Asian, so I doubt that is true. Rice affects insulin levels, which increases fat storage. Although it is less bad than other things that affect insulin.

 

[HannibalX]

There is no magic diet to eating healthy.

I'm glad you're getting better, keep it up. 🙂

 

[purbeast0]

Why is it temporary, purbeast0? I didn't say it was intended to be a temporary approach, I said I was shocked at the results in the short run. Sorry if that was confusing. I intend to make changes permanently. I also realize we don't know everything about diet, so as new research is vetted, this diet could change a bit over time. There is yet much to be proven.

well continuing this diet for a long time is a bad idea, especially since you are 'eating all the meat you want' which im assuming but correct me if i'm wrong, includes a lot of red meat. eating excessive red meat is not good for you.

also cutting out carbs for a long time is a bad idea which will probably leave you feeling tired often especially if you do any kind of exercising.

cutting sugar down is always a good idea though, so good job on that. it can be tough.

 

[wyvrn]

I have to agree somewhat here, the best diet is one that you can live with for the rest of your life. Atkins or something similar is a pure protein approach but you need carbs to function in daily life. There will be a point where you're going to live day to day sluggish and just generally tired because you lack energy. And if ever you should fall off the wagon and go back to normal eating habits, you might end up worse than you started at.

If you are an athlete, I agree with carbs. Otherwise, the science doesn't support your statement.

I have much more energy since cutting carbs than I had when I ate them. So in real life, I would have to disagree also.

One of the funny things that happened is I lost my addition to sugar within days. I just didn't crave it anymore. I still like the occasional carbs, but have little problem keeping them to my 'free' day. The only problem occurs if I am travelling and have fewer food choices, such as last week when I went on a conference. Man that was hard to find healthy meals!

 

[totalnoob]

I have to agree somewhat here, the best diet is one that you can live with for the rest of your life. Atkins or something similar is a pure protein approach but you need carbs to function in daily life. There will be a point where you're going to live day to day sluggish and just generally tired because you lack energy.

This is not true. I've been on less than 30 carbs a day for 6 months now. Once you get into ketosis (after 3 days of high fat and ultra low carbs), your body starts burning fat for energy just as efficiently as it normally burns carbs. The sluggishness disappears. Of course if you "fall of the wagon" and screw up, you will feel sluggish for 2-3 days until you get back into fat burning mode. It takes discipline to stay on a low carb diet..but if you have it, you won't experience the weak/sluggish feeling.

 

[purbeast0]

This is not true. I've been on less than 30 carbs a day for 6 months now. Once you get into ketosis (after 3 days of ultra low carbs), your body starts burning fat for energy just as efficiently as it normally burns carbs. The sluggishness disappears. Of course if you "fall of the wagon" and screw up, you will feel sluggish for 2-3 days until you get back into fat burning mode. It takes discipline to stay on a low carb diet..but if you have it, you won't experience the weak/sluggish feeling.

that is not true, especially if you are doing any kind of regular exercise program. you WILL feel tired and sluggish when working out.

i've done it before for like 4 weeks when i cut before i went to Aruba one year. i won't be doing it again.

and once i came back and started eating 'normal' the fat came back quicker than it went away.

 

[MJinZ]

This is not true. I've been on less than 30 carbs a day for 6 months now. Once you get into ketosis (after 3 days of high fat and ultra low carbs), your body starts burning fat for energy just as efficiently as it normally burns carbs. The sluggishness disappears. Of course if you "fall of the wagon" and screw up, you will feel sluggish for 2-3 days until you get back into fat burning mode. It takes discipline to stay on a low carb diet..but if you have it, you won't experience the weak/sluggish feeling.

This puts stress on your other parts of your body like Kidneys and Liver however if you don't get at least a decent amount of whole grain for your energy.

Exercise should take care of the rest.

 

[wyvrn]

well continuing this diet for a long time is a bad idea, especially since you are 'eating all the meat you want' which im assuming but correct me if i'm wrong, includes a lot of red meat. eating excessive red meat is not good for you.

also cutting out carbs for a long time is a bad idea which will probably leave you feeling tired often especially if you do any kind of exercising.

cutting sugar down is always a good idea though, so good job on that. it can be tough.

Ok so in a roundabout fashion, we got back to my original objection with your reply 🙂

Which is that I disagree with your assertion that it is a bad long term diet. Which I also assert, you are going to have a hard time proving scientifically. Unless you come up with a study or series that I have not seen, which is entirely possible! I, OTOH, am not going to post my research simply because I don't know where to begin. The book I listed is a very good start, but posting a link of articles is pointless. You can find them yourself quite easily.

I have had more energy since eating saturated fats than carbs. See previous post, my wife is Asian. I ate brown and white rice 3 times a day. Rice is supposed to be good for you, but it made me feel tired. Keep in mind I had a higher activity level during the time I ate carbs, and rice, and despite that, still had much less energy. And consistently gained 5-7 pounds a year, to boot!

So yeah I disagree with you.

By the way I had this same conversation with a PhD at Harvard who overseas their nutrition research. He recommended the 4 good group diets (as posted on their web site), and said saturated fats were bad. Then I quoted him his own previousstudy (a quite good one by the way) which disproved his public statements. Funny that he stopped responding back after that ....

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

A diet that works? Calories out>Calories in. It works, every time, guaranteed, regardless of what you eat.

 

[darkxshade]

If you are an athlete, I agree with carbs. Otherwise, the science doesn't support your statement.

I have much more energy since cutting carbs than I had when I ate them. So in real life, I would have to disagree also.

One of the funny things that happened is I lost my addition to sugar within days. I just didn't crave it anymore. I still like the occasional carbs, but have little problem keeping them to my 'free' day. The only problem occurs if I am travelling and have fewer food choices, such as last week when I went on a conference. Man that was hard to find healthy meals!

Well admittedly, I'm not a health expert but I can say that you still need carbs... athlete or not. I suppose if you live a sedentary lifestyle then maybe you might not need much at all but exercise should be part of daily life in addition to diet.

If you go with protein only and no exercise(primarily resistance training), the body does not burn fat, it burns muscle. A healthy male should have about 10% bodyfat and it'll fight to keep it at the expense of the muscles you don't use. That's why there are skinny fat people and there are big muscular people. Health is not as simple as just eating protein. So while I appluad your recent gains, depending on where you are, you might just be seeing beginners gains which are significantly more noticable than a year later when you have to scrutinize just about everything you eat or do just to lose a lb which is no fun at all.

 

[wyvrn]

This is not true. I've been on less than 30 carbs a day for 6 months now. Once you get into ketosis (after 3 days of high fat and ultra low carbs), your body starts burning fat for energy just as efficiently as it normally burns carbs. The sluggishness disappears. Of course if you "fall of the wagon" and screw up, you will feel sluggish for 2-3 days until you get back into fat burning mode. It takes discipline to stay on a low carb diet..but if you have it, you won't experience the weak/sluggish feeling.

What totalnoob says here about ketosis has been proven scientifically correct in several studies. Ketosis is what you want and is much healthier. I haven't gone quite that far yet as I mix in 'some' carbs, but am trying to get there.

Your brain LOVES ketosis. Note that ketosis, and ketoacidosis, are completely different. In case anyone wanted to come in here arguing that ketosis is bad.

 

[rasczak]

screw the naysayers. if it's helping you get healthy and your bloodwork was positive, then continue with it. it's your body and your health, and if the doc approves of the diet and is happy with the results, then screw everyone else.

keep up the good work and stay on your meds if you are being prescribed anything for your diabetic condition. take it from someone who has been and is currently fighting the condition. exercise, eat well. good luck!