"A day without illegals" should they be fired when they return to work on Tuesday

[morkinva]

Here's a nice Clear Channel billboard for ya

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: dahunan
OK.. I just looked and it is doubtful those are owner operator wages

Anyhow.. IIRC we used to pay 85 cents a mile.. they ain't making much more than that nowadays.. and the cost of fuel has doubled at least..

I am just glad we can spend $400,000,000,000 in Iraq

My brother was an owner-operator for many years. He made a very good living at it. Had a few trucks and a good reputation. But people see 85 cents per mile and get the wrong impression. Those trucks are very expensive and the loan companies that finance owner-operators don't give them much time to pay them off, mainly because they wear out so fast.

Eighty-five cents a mile is only good when the trucks are rolling. Miles pile up fast. Maintenance expenses, fuel, tags, taxes, are all ASTRONOMICAL. Check out what a set of tires for an eighteen wheeler will set you back. How many miles do you think a set of tires gets when hauling 80,000 pounds of freight seven days a week over 150,000 miles a year? Figure out the fuel costs. And remember, the bank is looking for their payment every month. What do you think payments are like on a rig that costs $100,000 or more and must be paid off in only two or three years? And what do you think insurance rates are like when it costs the average drive in a CAR over $1,000 per year for basic insurance in a state like NJ?

Most owner-operators spend all of their time trying to make a living. When they aren't IN the truck, they are UNDER the truck. Then some ILLEGAL comes along with a clap-trap piece of garbage willing to haul a trailer back to wherever they came from just to make enough money for retrun trip fuel!

Another thing, what kind of effect do you think this all has on highway safety? I'll give you a clue, it isn't good.

 

[piasabird]

Why would those who hire illegals want to fire them or deport them. No Insurance, no benefits, no problems.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: morkinva
Here's a nice Clear Channel billboard for ya

What did I tell you?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Deported? Why? Becasue they stand up for their right for freedom and oppurtunity?

Naah, If anyone, it should be the lazy midddle class "americans" that should look at what is happening today and learn a lesson in how to be a good american who fights for what he believes in.
Instead of scapegoating whoever some blowhard tells them in at fault.


Evil evil invaders! oooga booga! Get a life wankers, they show far more balls then you apathetic weenies who call themselves "legit" when was the last time YOU fought for anything, you all can't even get your sh1t together to fight bush.

Sure the immigrants make a few problems, but the lions share of them are ours, no matter how easy it seems to pass it off on poor people.

Listen, try to get this through your head, they have NO "right" to "freedom and opportunity" in America. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!

Again, one more time, exactly WHAT part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT don't you understand???

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Deported? Why? Becasue they stand up for their right for freedom and oppurtunity?

Naah, If anyone, it should be the lazy midddle class "americans" that should look at what is happening today and learn a lesson in how to be a good american who fights for what he believes in.
Instead of scapegoating whoever some blowhard tells them in at fault.


Evil evil invaders! oooga booga! Get a life wankers, they show far more balls then you apathetic weenies who call themselves "legit".

Sure the immigrants make a few problems, but the lions share of them are ours, no matter how easy it seems to pass it off on poor people.

What steeplerot, you forgot the anti-war protests for the Iraq war already? That was mostly middle class protesting. Or were you swept up by the corporate media's nearly total lack of coverage of the anti-war protests so you figured there was nobody protesting? Contrast that with the incredible coverage the coporate media is playing for this illegal immigration day, and you see exactly what's going on behind the scenes.

 

[Steeplerot]

And what difference does that make? People smoke pot, speed, jaywalk, you seem to love this legal thing when you know you can get away with kicking those that are down, like I said, you all are a huge joke. Oh well whine about your bigot walls etc, the rest of the world will be once again scratching their heads wondering why america has sunk so low to openly have bigots running around bashing the poor.

 

[lozina]

Furthermore, if the illegal immigrants are so interested in improving their lives by protesting, why are they rushing into a foreign country and trying to mold that country's policies to benefit them? Why, for example, aren't they on the streets of Mexico today, protesting for their "rights" ? Mexico is no dictatorship....

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

What steeplerot, you forgot the anti-war protests for the Iraq war already? That was mostly middle class protesting. Or were you swept up by the corporate media's nearly total lack of coverage of the anti-war protests so you figured there was nobody protesting? Contrast that with the incredible coverage the coporate media is playing for this illegal immigration day, and you see exactly what's going on behind the scenes.[/quote]

Middle class? Bah, Middle class don't protest, except when they get pickles on their drive thru burger.

You want to see what is killing the middle class it is not whatever boogeyman the media is fearing you about this time, it is the middle classes apathy and unwillingness to take part in the country while it is going to sh1t, you should be proud of these people marching and possibly LEARN something about being an american.

If this country screws up more there will be PLENTY of time to root out evil invaders in america, that is until you are one.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

What steeplerot, you forgot the anti-war protests for the Iraq war already? That was mostly middle class protesting. Or were you swept up by the corporate media's nearly total lack of coverage of the anti-war protests so you figured there was nobody protesting? Contrast that with the incredible coverage the coporate media is playing for this illegal immigration day, and you see exactly what's going on behind the scenes.

Middle class? Bah, Middle class don't protest, except when they get pickles on their drive thru burger.

[/quote]

Another America hater.

Hey, Steeplerot, why don't you take an illegal trip to Mexico and see what kind of reception you get there? Go take a job away from a Mexican worker by offering to do it for less. Try to get some medical services, prescription drugs (it's easier to get illegal ones, BTW), or government sponsored retirement or disability benefits while you're at it.

I'll tell the only "benefits" you'll wind up with. The Mexican government will find you a nice 4x7 plot of land under the sands of the Baja Peninsula.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BBond

Another America hater.


[/quote]

Oh, This is classic, you remember this next time a bushbot labels you so.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

What steeplerot, you forgot the anti-war protests for the Iraq war already? That was mostly middle class protesting. Or were you swept up by the corporate media's nearly total lack of coverage of the anti-war protests so you figured there was nobody protesting? Contrast that with the incredible coverage the coporate media is playing for this illegal immigration day, and you see exactly what's going on behind the scenes.

Middle class? Bah, Middle class don't protest, except when they get pickles on their drive thru burger.

You want to see what is killing the middle class it is not whatever boogeyman the media is fearing you about this time, it is the middle classes apathy and unwillingness to take part in the country while it is going to sh1t, you should be proud of these people marching and possibly LEARNING something about being an american.

If this country screws up more there will be PLENTY of time to root out evil invaders in america, that is until you are one.[/quote]

So in your view being a proper American is reaping the benefits of bloated social programs which you either do not pay into or at most don't pay your fair share of?

And then at the fear of losing this nipple to suck on you trash and scream threatening to protest and furhter hamper the lives of the hard working middle class by clogging cities and causing traffic jams?

Illegals are like ticks who upon the threat of being pulled away from their host's blood stream only clamp down harder and threaten to leave their dislodged head under your skin once you do rip away the body, raising a danger of infection. And Steeplrot says we should admire them.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I think they should be immediately deported. I also believe that it should be a felony to wave a foriegn flag on our streets and to publicly disgrace the American flag. Those people have no intention of assimilating themselves into our society. They want us to change for them and they can kiss my a$$. Then to rewrite the nation anthem in spanish is totally disrespectful. If they want to sing our nation anthem sing it in english.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

And then at the fear of losing this nipple to suck on

Lot of projection here by "middle class" america, you better check who is telling you they are ticks, the "middle class american" is a pawn of the upper class who wants to enslave these people by playing middle class off them, that is always how it is.

Still no reason to hate on the fathers and mothers of "legal" americans here working hard, get them legal and paying taxes and fix NAFTA's bs that is making the labor come up here to stop the flow.

Go hate on your neighboring towns football tean or something already, "middle class" greed and stupidity is what this is about, not another part of working america, remember who is screwing us always, and it is not the guy who cannot afford to go to the hospital.

 

[Legend]

So the results have more Yes for #1. In other words, people want cheap ass labor, and the people doing that labor have no civil liberties. Awesome.

I voted No, Yes, Yes.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BBond

Another America hater.

Oh, This is classic, you remember this next time a bushbot labels you so.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:[/quote]

dude, you're the one telling Americans

it should be the lazy midddle class "americans" that should look at what is happening today and learn a lesson in how to be a good american

and

Get a life wankers, they show far more balls then you apathetic weenies who call themselves "legit"

How can you hate Americans, defend ILLEGAL immigrants who are invading your country by the MILLIONS, and love America?

There is a huge difference between being called an America hater for criticizing the current administration over an unprovoked invasion of a non-threatening nation and being called an America hater for actually voicing hatred of your fellow Americans while you defend those who come here ILLEGALLY, force wages down, and leech off of services that the current administration would be very happy to end forever.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

And then at the fear of losing this nipple to suck on

Lot of projection here by "middle class" america, you better check who is telling you they are ticks, the "middle class american" is a pawn of the upper class who wants to enslave these people by playing middle class off them, that is always how it is.

Still no reason to hate on the fathers and mothers of "legal" americans here working hard, get them legal and paying taxes and fix NAFTA's bs that is making the labor come up here to stop the flow.

Go hate on your neighboring towns football tean or something already, "middle class" greed and stupidity is what this is about, not another part of working america, remember who is screwing us always, and it is not the guy who cannot afford to go to the hospital.

You want to really know what is greed? Greed is going into a coutry with huge social benefits, working there illegally off-the-books keeping every penny you make while fabricating documents so you can collect benefits from those huge social programs without paying into them. There's your greed you love so much.

Then you go on spewing hate towards a middle class which are mostly made up of legal immigrants or a generation or two from legal immigrants who work their asses off paying ridiculous taxes, health insurance, car insurance because there are ticks in the country who are bleeding them dry

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And what difference does that make? People smoke pot, speed, jaywalk, you seem to love this legal thing when you know you can get away with kicking those that are down, like I said, you all are a huge joke. Oh well whine about your bigot walls etc, the rest of the world will be once again scratching their heads wondering why america has sunk so low to openly have bigots running around bashing the poor.

I've NEVER bashed "the poor". I'm bashing the ILLEGAL immigrants who are invading our nation and making life worse for "the poor" you're trying to dishonestly ally them with.

ILLEGAL immigrants who come here looking for work are vying for the same jobs "the poor" are vying for. Only the illegals are willing to do the work for far less. And the ILLEGALS are vying for the bush-era's dwindling services that those same ILLEGALS are unlawfully taking advantage of.

You have some heart for "the poor" as long as they aren't the American poor, don't you?

 

[Steeplerot]

Ticks = Spics? lame.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Ticks = Spics? lame.

What's lame is that the only comeback you can ever muster to try and prolong a futile debate is with trying to defame someone with childish labels like racist, American-hater or poor-hater.

 

[Steeplerot]

Kinda ironic don't you think?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BBond

I've NEVER bashed "the poor". I'm bashing the ILLEGAL immigrants who are invading our nation and making life worse for "the poor" you're trying to dishonestly ally them with.

Yeah yeah, I heard all this moralizing (which is pointless) but in the end who is the next illegal to round up? Remember, it is you who is STRESSING the legality.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Kinda ironic don't you think?

Uh, no actually, it's not. Have I responded to one of your arguments by trying to defame you with a personal attack instead of actually addressing what you said?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Deported? Why? Becasue they stand up for their right for freedom and oppurtunity?

Naah, If anyone, it should be the lazy midddle class "americans" that should look at what is happening today and learn a lesson in how to be a good american who fights for what he believes in.
Instead of scapegoating whoever some blowhard tells them in at fault.


Evil evil invaders! oooga booga! Get a life wankers, they show far more balls then you apathetic weenies who call themselves "legit" when was the last time YOU fought for anything, you all can't even get your sh1t together to fight bush, you other allies are the ones who elect bush, then of course there are your firneds like the klansmen and KKK who are spooging over themselves as you all sound like mini-dictators more by the day.

What a joke.

Sure the immigrants make a few problems, but the lions share of them are ours, no matter how easy it seems to pass it off on poor people.

QFT!

I read this thinking.....man, there are a lot of people that are buying into the hate-filled rhetoric that is being spewed around.

Let's look at things objectively. What is the ideal solution? Round them all up, make them felons and then deport them and build a fence? If you take the knee-jerk reaction (ie....what you are being sold by a lot of the GOP, Rush, Hannity, et al) hell yeah!! What does that approach gain you? A feeling of satisfaction knowing that you saved the country upwards of $1B/yr in possible welfare, healthcare, education and other social service payments? What did you COST you? Probably a lot more per person when the cost of business goes up for a lot of industries. Then the cost of the products go up as well. We complain enough about the price of gas, now let's throw vegetables, fruit, poultry, meat, dairy, housing and everything else that is being kept at a somewhat reasonable rate because companies can pay these PEOPLE less per hour.

What is a viable solution? I think that it is somewhere in between Bush's proposal and the GOP's. I think that there should a fine if caught so that they can be deported without the stigmatism that accompanies a criminal record. This will allow them to be able to go through the proper channels to gain access to the country (and I don't mean the ones that they can swim across).

Try to grasp one simple concept, they have entered this country (under most circumstances) to do one thing, to make a better life for themselves and their family. These are not the run of the mill "criminal". They are certainly guilty of entering the country illegally, but they are probably better models to follow than a lot of the native born citizens. They work hard, live normal lives and are not engaging in any criminal activity (other than their entrance choice) and they are active in the political process which is a whole lot more than most on this board can say.

It is very easy to be a keyboard macho man and sit and talk about what you would do. It is a whole other level of bravery when you are willing to put you life as you know it on the line for something that you believe in. These people are doing just that. They know that they can be "rounded up" and deported, but they are willing to risk that for the ideals that they are sold by our country. That, if you come here and live a good life and work hard, you can experience the "American dream". The one thing that the majority of us take for granted just about every day of our lives.

The problem isn't "Illegal aliens", the problem is that we have become accustomed to certain expectations as consumers. And with those expectations come the reality that companies will not pay union wages because they will not be able to keep the prices down. That means loss of market share and possible loss of the business. We are being completely hypocritical by claiming that we don't want to pay higher costs for anything, but we also don't want to work for the wages that it takes to be able to keep costs at where they are. If you really want to end illegal immigration, take a lesson from what it takes to be an American from these people and be willing to make a sacrifice for what you believe, tell the corporations that you are willing to pay 50-100% more for their products so that they can afford to hire Americans like you to produce the goods.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BBond

I've NEVER bashed "the poor". I'm bashing the ILLEGAL immigrants who are invading our nation and making life worse for "the poor" you're trying to dishonestly ally them with.

Yeah yeah, I heard all this moralizing (which is pointless) but in the end who is the next illegal to round up? Remember, it is you who is STRESSING the legality.

I'm stressing the ILLEGALITY!

You're missing the main point in all of this. The bush administration is following their usual plan, using this as a WEDGE ISSUE to divide their competition. This is straight from the rove playbook. They know the "liberal" stance on human rights and they are cynically using it to their political advantage. They also love to use issues to more than one advantage. They are not only using the ILLEGAL immigrant issue to divide the competition, they are using it to hide the dismal failure their administration has been on every front by keeping real news off of the front pages.

Not only that, but they are making their big business allies very happy by using ILLEGALS to depress wages, destroy more social services like Medicare and Social Security by allowing ILLEGALS to drain millions from the system (more of their "starve the beast" tactics) as well as forcing American workers at the bottom rung of the employment ladder to compete with ILLEGALS who don't belong here in the first place.

I'm surprised you can't see through bush's tactics. All you're interested in is trying to dishonestly make this an issue of race and attempt to use the KKK in a vain scare tactic.

This has nothing to do with race. It's all about ILLEGAL immigrants invading our nation in the MILLIONS and causing irreparable harm to our economy, our workforce, and the few government programs left for working Americans.