"A day without illegals" should they be fired when they return to work on Tuesday

[lozina]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

I read this thinking.....man, there are a lot of people that are buying into the hate-filled rhetoric that is being spewed around.

Let's look at things objectively. What is the ideal solution? Round them all up, make them felons and then deport them and build a fence? If you take the knee-jerk reaction (ie....what you are being sold by a lot of the GOP, Rush, Hannity, et al) hell yeah!! What does that approach gain you? A feeling of satisfaction knowing that you saved the country upwards of $1B/yr in possible welfare, healthcare, education and other social service payments? What did you COST you? Probably a lot more per person when the cost of business goes up for a lot of industries. Then the cost of the products go up as well. We complain enough about the price of gas, now let's throw vegetables, fruit, poultry, meat, dairy, housing and everything else that is being kept at a somewhat reasonable rate because companies can pay these PEOPLE less per hour.

It's already been shown that the price of groceries would not be affected much at all because the wage of the worker harvesting the food factors so little into the overall price.

Try to grasp one simple concept, they have entered this country (under most circumstances) to do one thing, to make a better life for themselves and their family. These are not the run of the mill "criminal". They are certainly guilty of entering the country illegally, but they are probably better models to follow than a lot of the native born citizens. They work hard, live normal lives and are not engaging in any criminal activity (other than their entrance choice) and they are active in the political process which is a whole lot more than most on this board can say.

So they've already broken one law to enter the country. And once here they break more laws like if they drive a car (driving uninsured is against the law in many states) and break other laws to create fradulent documents so they can work or collect some benefits. Where does 'breaking laws merely to improve their lives' end and where does 'just breaking laws' begin?

It is very easy to be a keyboard macho man and sit and talk about what you would do. It is a whole other level of bravery when you are willing to put you life as you know it on the line for something that you believe in. These people are doing just that. They know that they can be "rounded up" and deported, but they are willing to risk that for the ideals that they are sold by our country. That, if you come here and live a good life and work hard, you can experience the "American dream". The one thing that the majority of us take for granted just about every day of our lives.

The American Dream is lived by countless immigrants every day. Don't confuse illegal immigrants with legal immigrants, it's something the pro-illegals are trying furiously hard to do, to blur the line and make people think they are one in the same.

The problem isn't "Illegal aliens", the problem is that we have become accustomed to certain expectations as consumers. And with those expectations come the reality that companies will not pay union wages because they will not be able to keep the prices down. That means loss of market share and possible loss of the business. We are being completely hypocritical by claiming that we don't want to pay higher costs for anything, but we also don't want to work for the wages that it takes to be able to keep costs at where they are. If you really want to end illegal immigration, take a lesson from what it takes to be an American from these people and be willing to make a sacrifice for what you believe, tell the corporations that you are willing to pay 50-100% more for their products so that they can afford to hire Americans like you to produce the goods.

The sad thing is this is the greed of some corporations. Lower prices goes more towards increasing their profit margins then to allow people to buy more

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Deported? Why? Becasue they stand up for their right for freedom and oppurtunity?

Naah, If anyone, it should be the lazy midddle class "americans" that should look at what is happening today and learn a lesson in how to be a good american who fights for what he believes in.
Instead of scapegoating whoever some blowhard tells them in at fault.


Evil evil invaders! oooga booga! Get a life wankers, they show far more balls then you apathetic weenies who call themselves "legit" when was the last time YOU fought for anything, you all can't even get your sh1t together to fight bush, you other allies are the ones who elect bush, then of course there are your firneds like the klansmen and KKK who are spooging over themselves as you all sound like mini-dictators more by the day.

What a joke.

Sure the immigrants make a few problems, but the lions share of them are ours, no matter how easy it seems to pass it off on poor people.

Non Citizens don't have any rights, they shouldn't be here in the first place. Everyone at these rallies should be checked for citizenship, and if they aren't a citizen, deported.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Deported? Why? Becasue they stand up for their right for freedom and oppurtunity?

Naah, If anyone, it should be the lazy midddle class "americans" that should look at what is happening today and learn a lesson in how to be a good american who fights for what he believes in.
Instead of scapegoating whoever some blowhard tells them in at fault.


Evil evil invaders! oooga booga! Get a life wankers, they show far more balls then you apathetic weenies who call themselves "legit" when was the last time YOU fought for anything, you all can't even get your sh1t together to fight bush, you other allies are the ones who elect bush, then of course there are your firneds like the klansmen and KKK who are spooging over themselves as you all sound like mini-dictators more by the day.

What a joke.

Sure the immigrants make a few problems, but the lions share of them are ours, no matter how easy it seems to pass it off on poor people.

QFT!

I read this thinking.....man, there are a lot of people that are buying into the hate-filled rhetoric that is being spewed around.

Let's look at things objectively. What is the ideal solution? Round them all up, make them felons and then deport them and build a fence? If you take the knee-jerk reaction (ie....what you are being sold by a lot of the GOP, Rush, Hannity, et al) hell yeah!! What does that approach gain you? A feeling of satisfaction knowing that you saved the country upwards of $1B/yr in possible welfare, healthcare, education and other social service payments? What did you COST you? Probably a lot more per person when the cost of business goes up for a lot of industries. Then the cost of the products go up as well. We complain enough about the price of gas, now let's throw vegetables, fruit, poultry, meat, dairy, housing and everything else that is being kept at a somewhat reasonable rate because companies can pay these PEOPLE less per hour.

What is a viable solution? I think that it is somewhere in between Bush's proposal and the GOP's. I think that there should a fine if caught so that they can be deported without the stigmatism that accompanies a criminal record. This will allow them to be able to go through the proper channels to gain access to the country (and I don't mean the ones that they can swim across).

Try to grasp one simple concept, they have entered this country (under most circumstances) to do one thing, to make a better life for themselves and their family. These are not the run of the mill "criminal". They are certainly guilty of entering the country illegally, but they are probably better models to follow than a lot of the native born citizens. They work hard, live normal lives and are not engaging in any criminal activity (other than their entrance choice) and they are active in the political process which is a whole lot more than most on this board can say.

I bolded the important part. Yes, the majority of them aren't the run of the mill "criminal" but many are sex offenders and have committed crimes in the US, approxiamately 100,000. This is why there needs to be a screening process.

My solution is to create a national Soc Sec job database, and arrest/fine employers who are submitting dupes. Next, arrest the people forging soc sec numbers and give them a guest worker permit, and deport them after X years. Last, secure our borders so this doesn't happen again.

 

[1EZduzit]

My father didn't get wounded twice fighting in WW2 so illegal aliens could just willy nilly come into the US and start telling us how to run our country. If they want citizenship, then earn it by going through the legal process BEFORE they cross the border.

 

[rchiu]

Let's get one thing straight here. It's stupid to say America should open it's border and let anyone and everyone comes, legally or illegally. No country in the world is doing that, and for good reasons. There is a process that people should follow to come into US and become a permanent resident or citizen.

Having said that, the process that people have to go through to come to the US is broken. It has been broken for years. There is no good border patrol and huge wave of illegal immigrants have come into the US while legal immigrant wait for years and deal with tremendous amount of bureaucracy, many became illegal in the process.

So the bottom line is this, people have to be realistic here. There is no way to deport the millions of illegal immigrants. The broken immigration process in the past has allowed illegal immigrants to be in the US for years and established deep root in the society here.

Support making illegal immigrants felons and deport everyone one of them will only make this country deeply divisive. Any laws and procedures to find and deport illegal immigrants will be hugely expensive and inhumane, and affect a large number of legal immigrants, permanent resident, and citizens.

You have to face it, those illegal immigrants already have family, spouse, children and friends in the US, many of them US citizens, again because of the time they have been here and the connections they have with local community.

It?s up to you if you want to see this country to be more divisive as it is after the neocons took over. Or do the practical thing, do a better job in controlling the border while making the legal immigration process efficient, and allow those illegal immigrants who are already part of the US society legal and able to contribute to this society.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: rchiu
You have to face it, those illegal immigrants already have family, spouse, children and friends in the US, many of them US citizens, again because of the time they have been here and the connections they have with local community.

It?s up to you if you want to see this country to be more divisive as it is after the neocons took over. Or do the practical thing, do a better job in controlling the border while making the legal immigration process efficient, and allow those illegal immigrants who are already part of the US society legal and able to contribute to this society.

Lets fix the system and allow a fast track for those that have a child as a citizen.
Anyone that wants to be legal must go through the proper procedures from their host country.
Allow a specific time for the fast track applications to be submitted.

Setup another track for those that are here illegally and can have an employer vouch for them. However, the same rules apply; sumittal from host country.
An employer will be not prosecuted during the grace period for "sponsoring".
After, that time frame, any illegals will be deported and also an employer will have the hammer come down on them.

As long as the system is being fixed; straighten up the abuse of the H1B visas.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: morkinva
Here's a nice Clear Channel billboard for ya

<------ Sitting in Lawn chair and now cracking open a beer.


Translation for the English only speaking folks:

Noticias 62 - News 62

Tu Cuidad - Your City

Tu Equipo - Your Team

Bahahahaha :laugh:

 

[OutHouse]

voted yes to all 3.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Martin
It is so wonderful seeing leftists and rightists come together to support xenophobia

humm 1.5 million LEGAL Immigrants become citizens of our country every year. yea that sounds xenophobic to me there pal. :disgust:

 

[Wheezer]

Well see they want to do this boycott on thier terms. They have already allocated to themselves how much of an economic hit they are willing to take. Business owners who are closed have already figured in how much they will lose. People not showing up for work have decided that they can live without that days pay. All done at the sacrafice of everyone around them. I say turn the tables. For the next week everyone, (nationality unimportant) who is outraged at this attempt to stiffle the economy should boycott them.

Let them see that they don't hold as much power as they think. Black, white, red or whatever if you are here legally either born, or though other legal means and you dislike what you are seeing...don't patronize thier businesses. Let them feel the pain that they are trying to inflict on the rest of us.

 

[rickn]

I say we boycott Taco Bell for a good month.

 

[morkinva]

Viva la MEChA! Viva Aztlan! Viva la Plan de San Diego!

 

[TheSlamma]

75,000+ are down at the Denver capitol right now, I live straight up Colfax from there.... my day has not changed at all.

SoSDD

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
75,000+ are down at the Denver capitol right now, I live straight up Colfax from there.... my day has not changed at all.

SoSDD

Where is Mayor Nagin and all those busses when he is needed - lol

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BBond
They should be arrested and deported and their employers should be arrested right along with them.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
75,000+ are down at the Denver capitol right now, I live straight up Colfax from there.... my day has not changed at all.

SoSDD

say hi to dave for me.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Well see they want to do this boycott on thier terms. They have already allocated to themselves how much of an economic hit they are willing to take. Business owners who are closed have already figured in how much they will lose. People not showing up for work have decided that they can live without that days pay. All done at the sacrafice of everyone around them. I say turn the tables. For the next week everyone, (nationality unimportant) who is outraged at this attempt to stiffle the economy should boycott them.

Let them see that they don't hold as much power as they think. Black, white, red or whatever if you are here legally either born, or though other legal means and you dislike what you are seeing...don't patronize thier businesses. Let them feel the pain that they are trying to inflict on the rest of us.

Who has the list of who gets what from whom? Do you know who your local McDonald's gets it's meat from? Or if the fuel service that supplies gasoline to your local station? Those that boycott businesses for hiring illegals have a lot of homework to do.