A crossroad in human evolution

[Londo_Jowo]

Psychobabble is a word that is used by people who get lost easily trying to follow a conversation that requires introspection and are too egotistical to admit they are shallow. It is commonly used by the brain defective. It's a way to offhandedly dismiss people with whom you feel out of your depth to protect your ego from that recognition. You make yourself so small when you do that, and why?.........because you feel so small already.

In therapy, which of course because of your egotistical pride you would never need, how then would you look down on others, you could root up the reasons you were made to feel that way, who it was that put you down and how you were humiliated, why you have the ego you do and why you had to encase yourself in its stone to survive. You could find a way to be reborn. But you would have to find a very good therapist to do it and there are few around with real understanding. Don't go to one who offers you pills and positive thinking, go to one who asks you how you feel. It is this you do not know and the key to everything.

Good luck, my friend. I wish you all of the bliss and the joy down that path that was given to me, or rather that I paid for with real dollar hard cash that's made me a very valuable human being. 😉

I have been through many psychological exams throughout my military and professional career (entry for working in a nuclear power plants) and no problems were noted. As I've aged I have mellowed and very seldom feel anger. I never went through any self hate/loathing stage or depressionin my life.

Maybe you should follow your doctor's advice and treatment plan he has prescibed for you. No doubt you still have anger issues you try to blame on others as well as lashing at those you do not agree with in this forum. Hopefully you will be able to let your anger go and learn to enjoy life. Have a nice day.

 

[Matt1970]

Psychobabble is a word that is used by people who get lost easily trying to follow a conversation that requires introspection and are too egotistical to admit they are shallow. It is commonly used by the brain defective. It's a way to offhandedly dismiss people with whom you feel out of your depth to protect your ego from that recognition. You make yourself so small when you do that, and why?.........because you feel so small already.

Psychobabble (a portmanteau of "psychology" or "psychoanalysis" and "babble") is a form of speech or writing that uses psychological jargon, buzzwords, and esoteric language to create an impression of truth or plausibility. YOU The term implies that the speaker or writer lacks the experience and understanding necessary for the proper use of psychological terms. YOU Additionally, it may imply that the content of speech deviates markedly from common sense and good judgement. YOU x 100

 

[spittledip]

These are the spiritually dead, the cold and cynical, those who as children were completely obliterated and are motivated by cold self interest and hate. Some may not even be human having no capacity for empathy. My opinion anyway. Regardless, the reason people can be led is because their the faith in themselves that should be natural has been replaced by faith in the reputation they assume they acquire by being members of a group. Slaves can free themselves if they don't see their chains. The place to focus attention, in my opinion, is on the chains and not the slave holders. Get rid of the chains and the other problem will take care of itself. We still have prisons with real bars in them.

Man, don't you see that these politicians are the ones who really have faith in themselves? If anyone has faith in themselves, it is politicians, doctors and lawyers. All the experts. Of course this type of "faith in self" could really just be insecurity masking as confidence, but then the problem is how do you determine who really has faith in themselves that is not motivated by wickedness? I would suggest that these same politicians espouse the same ideas that you are, although perhaps in a fraudulent way... kind of like the Hollywood celebrity Buddhist.

Even if a slave sees his chains, faith in oneself is not enough to overcome the chains. Becoming nothingness would seem like the only conclusion you would come to if you only have yourself to look to which is the ultimate denial of reality. That is no solution though b/c reality is still there no matter how hard you try to wish it away. I think that answer becomes the answer when you finally believe there are no answers...

 

[Moonbeam]

Man, don't you see that these politicians are the ones who really have faith in themselves? If anyone has faith in themselves, it is politicians, doctors and lawyers. All the experts. Of course this type of "faith in self" could really just be insecurity masking as confidence, but then the problem is how do you determine who really has faith in themselves that is not motivated by wickedness? I would suggest that these same politicians espouse the same ideas that you are, although perhaps in a fraudulent way... kind of like the Hollywood celebrity Buddhist.

Even if a slave sees his chains, faith in oneself is not enough to overcome the chains. Becoming nothingness would seem like the only conclusion you would come to if you only have yourself to look to which is the ultimate denial of reality. That is no solution though b/c reality is still there no matter how hard you try to wish it away. I think that answer becomes the answer when you finally believe there are no answers...

Nice..... I would add that in my opinion that there are no answers because there are no questions. It is out of our inner darkness that questions arise because we do not know what we feel. It is knowledge, awareness, feeling, that makes the motive clear. When the feeling is conscious the question disappears. There is only being and being is love.

A person, for example, can live his whole life in guilt and fear and hate, because a family member may have died when the person was angry at him or her, and that person at the core of his being may feel that it was his own anger that killed. The memory of this and the titanic size of the lie one believed can free a person to live again for the first time in years and years. It is some such thing by which we have all been convicted. We turned our anger inward, all this anger, for example, you can see directed at me, all this need to make me suffer as they suffer. But if you understand the origins of your own self hate and heal, the anger and rage of others only becomes a mirror from which they may heal.

 

[Moonbeam]

Psychobabble (a portmanteau of "psychology" or "psychoanalysis" and "babble") is a form of speech or writing that uses psychological jargon, buzzwords, and esoteric language to create an impression of truth or plausibility. YOU The term implies that the speaker or writer lacks the experience and understanding necessary for the proper use of psychological terms. YOU Additionally, it may imply that the content of speech deviates markedly from common sense and good judgement. YOU x 100

And if you have common sense and good judgment color me insane. There's not a wise person on earth who reveals his wisdom that isn't called that. It's called the wisdom of idiots because that's how idiots see it. YOU I told you what psychobabble is, not how idiots define it. Your definition is part was created in an altered reality and is brain defective.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have been through many psychological exams throughout my military and professional career (entry for working in a nuclear power plants) and no problems were noted. As I've aged I have mellowed and very seldom feel anger. I never went through any self hate/loathing stage or depressionin my life.

Maybe you should follow your doctor's advice and treatment plan he has prescibed for you. No doubt you still have anger issues you try to blame on others as well as lashing at those you do not agree with in this forum. Hopefully you will be able to let your anger go and learn to enjoy life. Have a nice day.

Do you know the story of The Princess and the Pea?:

http://hca.gilead.org.il/princess.html

You have slept comfortably all your life on the pea but it drove me crazy because I knew joy beyond imagining when I was young and could not bury the destroyer beneath enough mattresses. Royal blood, I guess. Anyway, it explains why you are profoundly ignorant and lack self reflection. You'll understand better if your pea ever works its way to the surface, if your altered reality cracks and truth comes flooding in. Thank you for your good wishes if that's what they were.

 

[Matt1970]

And if you have common sense and good judgment color me insane. There's not a wise person on earth who reveals his wisdom that isn't called that. It's called the wisdom of idiots because that's how idiots see it. YOU I told you what psychobabble is, not how idiots define it. Your definition is part was created in an altered reality and is brain defective.

My definition was copied and pasted from Wikipedia. If you want to call that an altered reality, how idiots define it and is brain defective, you might want to remove the part of you revealing your wisdom to the world first.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you know the story of The Princess and the Pea?:

http://hca.gilead.org.il/princess.html

You have slept comfortably all your life on the pea but it drove me crazy because I knew joy beyond imagining when I was young and could not bury the destroyer beneath enough mattresses. Royal blood, I guess. Anyway, it explains why you are profoundly ignorant and lack self reflection. You'll understand better if your pea ever works its way to the surface, if your altered reality cracks and truth comes flooding in. Thank you for your good wishes if that's what they were.

You have done nothing but throw psychobabble around like you're the definitive source for pyschoanalysis. However, your pyschobabble has zero effect on me as I'm mentally healthy person unlike yourself. Go back to getting the treatment you need to live as close a normal life as possibly can as you deserve such.

 

[spittledip]

Nice..... I would add that in my opinion that there are no answers because there are no questions. It is out of our inner darkness that questions arise because we do not know what we feel. It is knowledge, awareness, feeling, that makes the motive clear. When the feeling is conscious the question disappears. There is only being and being is love.

A person, for example, can live his whole life in guilt and fear and hate, because a family member may have died when the person was angry at him or her, and that person at the core of his being may feel that it was his own anger that killed. The memory of this and the titanic size of the lie one believed can free a person to live again for the first time in years and years. It is some such thing by which we have all been convicted. We turned our anger inward, all this anger, for example, you can see directed at me, all this need to make me suffer as they suffer. But if you understand the origins of your own self hate and heal, the anger and rage of others only becomes a mirror from which they may heal.

I think that we hold similar views in regard to some stuff, but of course I think my other posts make clear that I believe answers can be found outside of ourselves. One of the reasons why I believe in Christ and the Word is b/c I can see all the wicked motivations and thoughts inside me... and I see no other remedy except through Christ.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think that we hold similar views in regard to some stuff, but of course I think my other posts make clear that I believe answers can be found outside of ourselves. One of the reasons why I believe in Christ and the Word is b/c I can see all the wicked motivations and thoughts inside me... and I see no other remedy except through Christ.

Oh I have no problems with that, I believe that salvation through faith is real, one of many possible ways, just one that I was unable to travel. I found my answers, the end of questions, only when I had lost all hope. I understand quite well the wicked motivations and thoughts. I was raised in Christian guilt. The answer to all of that is to know that you are forgiven, to know it down to your toes. The parallel for a person who has no faith is to bottom out on guilt, to feel it so deeply that the memory of its origin is awakened and relived. In that way one can know that one is forgiven because there was never any real guilt. This can be done in psychotherapy. One can relieve guilt if one has profound faith, the knowledge that you are loved and forgiven by God or you can feel grief so deeply that you heal from real self pity, forgiving your self. In either path the faith can be incomplete or the forgiveness not to the core. The deluded are everywhere.

I believe that Christianity can also cause the problem it seeks to cure when it is used by the sick to make people feel guilty when it is used to teach a child that it isn't worthy. Once all that guilt of sin is inculcated the salvation offered by the real meaning of Christianity is needed. Folk who haven't found real salvation try to condemn others. It was what was done to them. We need to break this cycle. When you are condemned from childhood it's terribly difficult to really feel forgiven. But when and where it happens it produces a person with unlimited potential.

 

[Joepublic2]

The internet has provided the general population with unparalleled insight into the minds of the mentally ill.

 

[Joepublic2]

Also, the "singularity" is magical thinking by people that really should know better. Your nerd rapture is no more real than a traditional one. Everybody talks about the when, never the how of it, which should be a clear sign that such a thing is not even possible (let alone if it's desirable).

Evolution is not a path, process or mechanism for teasing a more peaceful, utopian vision of humanity out of the chaos of colliding chromosomes. If you have a glittering crystal city on the hill with no crime, poverty, disease or scarcity and a violent, dumb as a box of rocks barbarian tribe sneaks in at night and kills all the men and rapes all the women he is the fitter organism, period, your jokes about those dirty throwbacks at your SWPL brunches non-withstanding.

 

[LunarRay]

It seems that Maslow had a pretty good handle on the Needs people have that are foundational to 'higher' level needs and I don't quibble with his analysis at all... I simply wonder how it is that folks must sate a lower level need before they can move up the pyramid of needs...

We have Jung who probably had a pretty good handle on personality traits and I'd think the Meyers-Briggs evaluation of that and the tests developed do a pretty good job segregating folks into various groups of somewhat similar personalities but, again I wonder how it is that folks have different personalities... It would seem that it would also be reasonable for there to be one personality among all humans. There isn't so something must provide the means to this diversity.

What I figure and I'd not call it a defect but, rather, I'd refer to some normal curve and the associated standard deviations.... Anyhow, folks are prone to use Right brain or Left brain which produce different outcomes to providing 'data understanding' (my term). We all know Left is analytical and Right is toward the intuitive...
Now then... IF confronted with a specific task like say... Gay Marriage but it could be anything... some folks will use the Right brain and some the Left brain to develop their position on this issue. The Right brain might produce a pro or a con. While the Left brain ought to seek out a logical pathway to the position which would or ought to be based on rational deduction(s).

The problem as I see it comes from the Right brain 'dreaming' up some intuitive based assessment without any logical input. This intuitive process will or may cause the holder to feel their position is right as rain and they'll defend that position with all the vigor imaginable because they 'know' it to be true.... Like the Earth being 6000 years old... No science can thwart that position because it will be defended regardless since those folks don't bother invoking the Left brain at all... they suppress any attempt by their mind to touch a more 'rational' means to gain knowledge.

I once heard a fellow say, "what I don't know is not knowledge". I'd not attempt to discuss anything with him had I the chance because he was convinced he knew all there was to know and beyond that was babble...
How can a Moonbeam hope to dialog with folks who are convinced they are right about something that to the phenomenologist looking into the fish tank can easily see they are not? An impossible task.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Dear Moonbeam and Moonbeam's other personalities,

If there is a way you could back off the frequency and spend some time reflecting on how relevant your post are to current events, it might help. And by current events, I mean the outside world and not in your head.

To post continuously and often what seems certainly to be ephemeral thoughts generated by a self confessed mental condition creates concerns that I don't think can be avoided. Is there any way to ask you what you feel and what you are trying to accomplish when you post? If you could give us something that seems more substantive, more related to some life relevant context, perhaps those concerns wouldn't be so front and center.

Sincerly,
PTJ

 

[LunarRay]

Dear Moonbeam and Moonbeam's other personalities,

If there is a way you could back off the frequency and spend some time reflecting on how relevant your post are to current events, it might help. And by current events, I mean the outside world and not in your head.

To post continuously and often what seems certainly to be ephemeral thoughts generated by a self confessed mental condition creates concerns that I don't think can be avoided. Is there any way to ask you what you feel and what you are trying to accomplish when you post? If you could give us something that seems more substantive, more related to some life relevant context, perhaps those concerns wouldn't be so front and center.

Sincerly,
PTJ

It would seem that most everything aside from natural phenomenon occurs due to human activity.
In this country we are bound by the laws and decisions humans make... those we place in authority above us. (aside from criminal activity, etc.)

We go to war and people die because our leaders decide to go to war. Not all of us agree but we are bound by those decisions. As you know, all sorts of events that we don't agree with follow that same path.

We have folks in Congress from the various States who get there because they persuade the majority of voters that they will represent their belief system... It is not some secret that we disagree in a major way on some issues and in fact I'm sure some of us don't agree with much of anything some try to enact... either way.

What Moonbeam is showing is that most every News issue has at its cause a human who created that news. How can it be that we are so polarized on so much? Who is right or which approach is best for the majority of us and why is that the case. Why are topics like Gay Marriage an issue at all? Who cares? And if someone cares is their concern founded in some sound rational basis?
These are the kinds of issues that make what Moonbeam proffers important. IF there exists a defect in the thinking of some it may be the reason some News has been created.

You seem to out of hand discount the possibility that decisions made might be due to the way the brain works... I think it is only because the brain functions as it does.

It seems when folks say that 'there is no brain defect' they are saying there must be one in the opposite thinker or perhaps thinking that produces actions occurs based on some other factors. Right brain predominant thinkers arrive at a take on issues way differently than Leftie ones... That is science... Have you some other method that provides an answer to the thinking process? I'm not sure where a debate might move to in order to find a mutual agreement on where to start on this issue.

 

[MagickMan]

You have done nothing but throw psychobabble around like you're the definitive source for pyschoanalysis. However, your pyschobabble has zero effect on me as I'm mentally healthy person unlike yourself. Go back to getting the treatment you need to live as close a normal life as possibly can as you deserve such.

Arguing with him, or anyone else with a mental illness, is futile. He can't be helped until someone who is a part of his life steps in and tries to get it for him.

 

[Moonbeam]

Dear Moonbeam and Moonbeam's other personalities,

If there is a way you could back off the frequency and spend some time reflecting on how relevant your post are to current events, it might help. And by current events, I mean the outside world and not in your head.

To post continuously and often what seems certainly to be ephemeral thoughts generated by a self confessed mental condition creates concerns that I don't think can be avoided. Is there any way to ask you what you feel and what you are trying to accomplish when you post? If you could give us something that seems more substantive, more related to some life relevant context, perhaps those concerns wouldn't be so front and center.

Sincerly,
PTJ

That is so intelligently phrased and cogently put that I would bet a nickel you didn't write it yourself. The application, however, is miles and miles off target, but thanks. Poor poor delusional fuck. There is only one me with just one account here.

 

[MagickMan]

Dear Moonbeam and Moonbeam's other personalities,

If there is a way you could back off the frequency and spend some time reflecting on how relevant your post are to current events, it might help. And by current events, I mean the outside world and not in your head.

To post continuously and often what seems certainly to be ephemeral thoughts generated by a self confessed mental condition creates concerns that I don't think can be avoided. Is there any way to ask you what you feel and what you are trying to accomplish when you post? If you could give us something that seems more substantive, more related to some life relevant context, perhaps those concerns wouldn't be so front and center.

Sincerly,
PTJ

Well said. He (they?) continue to post the same material, over and over again, all with the same enthusiasm as when it was first conceived in his mind. I used to despise him because he's annoying and insulting, but now I realize that he probably can't help it. So, yeah, I feel a little shitty about it all now, frankly.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That is so intelligently phrased and cogently put that I would bet a nickel you didn't write it yourself. The application, however, is miles and miles off target, but thanks. Poor poor delusional fuck. There is only one me with just one account here.

You must be hating yourself again as your anger is so apparent in this post. Guess you have some sort of defect that prevents you from living an anger free life.

 

[spittledip]

Oh I have no problems with that, I believe that salvation through faith is real, one of many possible ways, just one that I was unable to travel. I found my answers, the end of questions, only when I had lost all hope. I understand quite well the wicked motivations and thoughts. I was raised in Christian guilt. The answer to all of that is to know that you are forgiven, to know it down to your toes. The parallel for a person who has no faith is to bottom out on guilt, to feel it so deeply that the memory of its origin is awakened and relived. In that way one can know that one is forgiven because there was never any real guilt. This can be done in psychotherapy. One can relieve guilt if one has profound faith, the knowledge that you are loved and forgiven by God or you can feel grief so deeply that you heal from real self pity, forgiving your self. In either path the faith can be incomplete or the forgiveness not to the core. The deluded are everywhere.

I believe that Christianity can also cause the problem it seeks to cure when it is used by the sick to make people feel guilty when it is used to teach a child that it isn't worthy. Once all that guilt of sin is inculcated the salvation offered by the real meaning of Christianity is needed. Folk who haven't found real salvation try to condemn others. It was what was done to them. We need to break this cycle. When you are condemned from childhood it's terribly difficult to really feel forgiven. But when and where it happens it produces a person with unlimited potential.

I also was raised in guilt, but not Christian guilt- given that this is the internet and is available to all, I will not divulge too much info, suffice it to say that my parents are a bit sick and laid guilt on me for their own sakes. I had to separate God from my parents and also separate God from the church b/c I have seen quite a bit of abuse in the church... and I still see it today. This is not to say that God is not in the church, it is just that God is not in all that we see in the church.. but I suppose this is pretty obvious.

My experience of knowing the sin in me is partially through self reflection and prayer, partially through reading the Word. It is actually pretty amazing the things that one can learn about oneself if they read the Bible- God speaks through it. It is not always about sin, sometimes it is encouragement and sometimes revealing parts about God, etc. I think God can use different ways to bring about healing and remove the guilt, if guilt is the actual issue. I think to suggest that all that we find in us as sinful is guilt is not correct, although it is certainly possible it is that way in some cases. In my case, I know the sin I am talking about - from hatred, lust, impatience, pride (you might say competitiveness), etc. There is a long list.

As I said in the first paragraph, I have seen abuse in the church, and I definitely agree that the sick will trample the wounded in order to feel better about themselves or for power or whatever twisted reason rather than grant the love of God to others. Those who go to church should understand that the church is for the wounded and for those seeking the cure to sin, it is not for the self-righteous. As Christ said, it is not the healthy who need a doctor- he said this to the pharisees who thought they had no need for Him or God and wee relying on their own form of righteousness. This, however, is not to say that sin should be endorsed or allowed to go out of control. Sin needs to be called sin, and movement away from it is part of the goal. Of course, the only real movement away from it can happen by moving close to God.

 

[LunarRay]

Well said. He (they?) continue to post the same material, over and over again, all with the same enthusiasm as when it was first conceived in his mind. I used to despise him because he's annoying and insulting, but now I realize that he probably can't help it. So, yeah, I feel a little shitty about it all now, frankly.

Nah.... go ahead and despise him.... He's probably laughing his butt off atm reading your post...

😎

 

[Moonbeam]

Arguing with him, or anyone else with a mental illness, is futile. He can't be helped until someone who is a part of his life steps in and tries to get it for him.

Beautiful! But you have no scientific evidence to back it up. Scientific tests, however, have demonstrated that the folk for whom this is definitely true are the ones with conservative brains. They live in an altered reality, say, where people who can reason and think clearly are seen as crazy and when they can't infect others with the same delusions they panic and go crazy. They begin to invent all sorts of fantastical notions that anybody can tell are false, like I have two accounts or more and LR writes like I do. I mean. who did you think you were going to fool with that, aside from yourself, that is. Do you know how hard I have to work to understand a small percent of what he means? I speak logically but he paints with words that veer off in countless directions. But of course you wouldn't notice. Low effort thinker and all.....

 

[Moonbeam]

I also was raised in guilt, but not Christian guilt- given that this is the internet and is available to all, I will not divulge too much info, suffice it to say that my parents are a bit sick and laid guilt on me for their own sakes. I had to separate God from my parents and also separate God from the church b/c I have seen quite a bit of abuse in the church... and I still see it today. This is not to say that God is not in the church, it is just that God is not in all that we see in the church.. but I suppose this is pretty obvious.

My experience of knowing the sin in me is partially through self reflection and prayer, partially through reading the Word. It is actually pretty amazing the things that one can learn about oneself if they read the Bible- God speaks through it. It is not always about sin, sometimes it is encouragement and sometimes revealing parts about God, etc. I think God can use different ways to bring about healing and remove the guilt, if guilt is the actual issue. I think to suggest that all that we find in us as sinful is guilt is not correct, although it is certainly possible it is that way in some cases. In my case, I know the sin I am talking about - from hatred, lust, impatience, pride (you might say competitiveness), etc. There is a long list.

As I said in the first paragraph, I have seen abuse in the church, and I definitely agree that the sick will trample the wounded in order to feel better about themselves or for power or whatever twisted reason rather than grant the love of God to others. Those who go to church should understand that the church is for the wounded and for those seeking the cure to sin, it is not for the self-righteous. As Christ said, it is not the healthy who need a doctor- he said this to the pharisees who thought they had no need for Him or God and wee relying on their own form of righteousness. This, however, is not to say that sin should be endorsed or allowed to go out of control. Sin needs to be called sin, and movement away from it is part of the goal. Of course, the only real movement away from it can happen by moving close to God.

I am just so glad that I started a thread where you expressed this. The truth is only for seekers. I believe that the way you move toward God is by loving Him as He loves you such that the lover and the beloved are unified by it. There is but one real truth and it has many names, God among them, but I like Love as one of the best.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nah.... go ahead and despise him.... He's probably laughing his butt off atm reading your post...

😎

The healthy part of me laughs but the wise part of me is filled with pity. Like beauty, ugliness is in the eye of the beholder which means that poor poor MM has a butt-load of ugly in two of the holes in his head.

 

[LunarRay]

The healthy part of me laughs but the wise part of me is filled with pity. Like beauty, ugliness is in the eye of the beholder which means that poor poor MM has a butt-load of ugly in two of the holes in his head.

That is because you care.... A caring soul like you seeks to help and actually, I don't really accept all that he posts is a real concern for your mental health, but, rather, it is an attempt to turn the tables so to speak.
"I'm rubber and you're glue... whatever you say to me bounces off and sticks to you"...

It does show he has a failure to see the forest for the tree.... or log as it were.