A conservative columnist reviews "Going Rogue"

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JKing106

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She knows she has no chance. She's in it to get paid as long as her fame lasts. She quit her job as Governor because the speech/book/talk show circuit is a hell of a lot more lucrative, and, honestly, who gives a fuck about other people? It's about the Benjamins, baby? Right, whitey07?
 

Ldir

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That's "everybody's," but I get your point.

There are some of us who in fact have no curiosity whatsoever about Palin per se. For me, the fascination - if you can call it that - is to see someone who is the physical manifestation of the axiom that it's impossible to underestimate the intelligence of the American people. The reactions of those dazzled by her flame are like episodes of the world's worst soap opera or punchlines to a neverending dumb-and-dumber joke.

She's the Pied Piper to the stridently stupid.

Snap!
 

kage69

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I had to laugh. This says so much...in just 4 small words.

Guess it's my turn to laugh then. You McSame voters spent 8 long years dismissing any and all criticism of Dear Leader as the ravings of ultra-liberals and leftists. Anyone who didn't agree with you was automatically a dirty liberal.

Now all of a sudden everyone had beef with Cheney's rule, and everyone knows the folly of lumping disagreement in one big pile.

Yes, it really does say a lot.
 

Siddhartha

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ay-palin-not-qualified-to-serve-as-president/

November 16, 2009
CNN Poll: Most Americans say Palin not qualified to serve as president
Posted: November 16th, 2009 05:57 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser


CNN Poll: Most Americans say Palin not qualified to serve as President.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Fewer than three in 10 Americans think Sarah Palin's qualified to be president, according to a new national poll - the least of any of the five potential candidates included in the survey.

But another woman tops that list in the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday: two-thirds of the public thinks that Secretary of State HIllary Clinton's qualified for the Oval Office. That's more than Vice President Joe Biden, who's currently next in line for the presidency.

According to the poll, 28 percent of Americans say Palin is qualified to run the White House, with seven in 10 saying the former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee is not qualified.

The survey indicates that a majority of Republicans, 54 percent, feel Palin is qualified, with 44 percent indicating she isn't. But only 29 percent of independent voters questioned feel she is qualified to serve as president, with 68 percent disagreeing. According to the poll, nine in 10 Democrats feel Palin is not qualified.


The poll's release comes one day before the release of Palin's book, "Going Rogue: An American Life."

"The perception that Palin is not qualified to be president puts her significantly behind two potential rivals for the GOP nomination in 2012 - Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

According to the survey, nearly half of all Americans think Romney is qualified to be president, with 43 percent feeling the same way about Huckabee. Among Republicans, Palin is still lagging other potential 2012 primary candidates: 63 percent of GOPers think that Romney and Huckabee are qualified, 9 points higher than the number that say the same of Palin.

"Palin has many strengths - recent CNN polls indicate that Americans believe that she is not a typical politician, that she cares about average Americans, and that she is honest and trustworthy," says Holland. "But the perception that she is not qualified for the White House is her biggest Achilles heel."

An ABC News/Washington Post poll also released Monday indicates that 38 percent of Americans say Palin's qualified to serve as president, with six in 10 saying she's not qualified.

The CNN survey indicates that 67 percent of people questioned say that Clinton is qualified to serve in the Oval Office, 17 points higher than the 50 percent of Americans who think that Biden's qualified to take over as president.

Biden's low number may be attributable to negative feelings about the Obama/Biden administration rather than views of Biden personally.

"In the past, poll respondents who dislike an administration have sometimes taken it out on the vice president," say Holland. Polls from the late 1990s showed that Americans felt Al Gore was qualified to be president, but only if respondents were given the chance to say something negative about Gore that was unrelated to his qualifications, he adds. In the Bush administration, the number who thought Dick Cheney was qualified to be president dropped as the administration grew more unpopular. "Cheney's experience in office didn't change during that period - attitudes toward the Bush/Cheney administration did," he says.

Hillary Clinton also has the advantage of having been able to stay out of domestic policy debates, including health care, the economic stimulus, and other controversial matters, while adding almost daily to her experience in foreign policy, Holland adds, while Biden has been involved in the domestic policy disputes - "which might explain why some respondents were looking for a reason to say something negative about the veep."

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted November 13-15, with 1,014 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the overall sample.
 

Siddhartha

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Okay, is Ms Palin:

1. A victim of the liberal media?

2. Darling of the liberal media?

3. Liberal's ideal candidate for the GOP POTUS?

4. A political force who strikes fear in the hearts of all liberals?

I direct this question to GOP supporters because I have heard them say contradictory things about her.
 
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It isnt no matter how hard Lefties and Rush Limbaugh try to make it. I highly doubt she will be much of a factor in 2012. If she even bothers to run. Right now she is cashing in on everybodies curiosity.

You underestimate the stupidity of your peers.

GW was voted into office TWICE and this lady is smarterer than him.

Hell BLAIR is running for EU president, or was, now he's mostly running. :D
 

heyheybooboo

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Fort Bragg sets rules for Palin's book event


When Sarah Palin started her book tour in Michigan this week, thousands gathered outside a Barnes & Noble and chanted her name, giving the event the feel of a political pep rally.

The Army wants Palin's appearance at Fort Bragg on Monday to be a much quieter affair.

The base has asked Palin not to make a speech at a public book-signing at the base exchange; she also will not write personal notes, pose for photographs or sign anything besides her new memoir, "Going Rogue: An American Life."
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AyashiKaibutsu

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"In national politics, some feel that big business is always opposed to the little guy, she writes. Some people seem to think a profit motive is inherently greedy and evil and that what's good for business is bad for people. That's what Karl Marx thought, too."

If you replace Hitler with Karl Marx you pretty much have Godwins law for economic discussions.
 

sandorski

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"In national politics, some feel that big business is always opposed to the little guy, she writes. Some people seem to think a profit motive is inherently greedy and evil and that what's good for business is bad for people. That's what Karl Marx thought, too."

If you replace Hitler with Karl Marx you pretty much have Godwins law for economic discussions.

She can dish out Slogans, but lacks any kind of Reasoning behind them. Should go into Advertising.
 

Mursilis

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Okay, is Ms Palin:

1. A victim of the liberal media?

2. Darling of the liberal media?

3. Liberal's ideal candidate for the GOP POTUS?

4. A political force who strikes fear in the hearts of all liberals?

I direct this question to GOP supporters because I have heard them say contradictory things about her.

I'm not really a GOP supporter, but I'll take the bait out of boredom. She's 2 and 3 only. As for 1, she's only a victim of her own hubris, and as for 4, no sane person would fear her on a national level.
 

Zargon

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I would like to back all of Mursilis' statements.

Except that maybe shes a victim becaues the Lib Media is so 'enamored' with her because of how they can use her to make all the GOP look bad.

Not that I am hardcore GOP or anything.
 

Robor

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I think it's been pretty well demonstrated that the VP candidate has little effect on the presidential ticket, so to assume that the 46% voting for McCain supported her for president is erroneous.

Fern

You are smarter than this. McCain's age definitely made her being on the ticket a factor. My own father (who just turned 70) shied away from McCain because the thought of Palin as POTUS scared the crap out of him.
 

Robor

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That's "everybody's," but I get your point.

There are some of us who in fact have no curiosity whatsoever about Palin per se. For me, the fascination - if you can call it that - is to see someone who is the physical manifestation of the axiom that it's impossible to underestimate the intelligence of the American people. The reactions of those dazzled by her flame are like episodes of the world's worst soap opera or punchlines to a neverending dumb-and-dumber joke.

She's the Pied Piper to the stridently stupid.

OMFG that's funny. I will definitely be stealing that one. Thanks! :awe:
 

Mursilis

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I think it's been pretty well demonstrated that the VP candidate has little effect on the presidential ticket, so to assume that the 46% voting for McCain supported her for president is erroneous.
Fern

I believe that's one of those statements that's right in about 90% of cases, but not 100%. What I mean is, a competent/non-controversial VP pick will have little effect on a ticket (think Jack Kemp on the Dole ticket in '96), but a controversial pick would have a significant effect, especially toward the negative. Of course, I'm theorizing on this, because most VP picks, to my memory, have been relatively "safe", more or less, so the evidence for my theory is lacking. The only real exception is Ferraro on the Mondale ticket in '84, which was clearly little more than a desperate attempt by the Dems to create some buzz against Reagan, who was enjoying tremendous popularity at the time. Mondale never really had a prayer that year. Regarding Palin, I'd agree with others that she probably harmed McCain's chances when it was all said and done.
 

fskimospy

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I believe that's one of those statements that's right in about 90% of cases, but not 100%. What I mean is, a competent/non-controversial VP pick will have little effect on a ticket (think Jack Kemp on the Dole ticket in '96), but a controversial pick would have a significant effect, especially toward the negative. Of course, I'm theorizing on this, because most VP picks, to my memory, have been relatively "safe", more or less, so the evidence for my theory is lacking. The only real exception is Ferraro on the Mondale ticket in '84, which was clearly little more than a desperate attempt by the Dems to create some buzz against Reagan, who was enjoying tremendous popularity at the time. Mondale never really had a prayer that year. Regarding Palin, I'd agree with others that she probably harmed McCain's chances when it was all said and done.

Agree. I don't think many people voted for or against Obama because of Joe Biden. I think quite a few people voted for or against McCain because of Sarah Palin. In the end I predicted it almost perfectly. (I'm so proud of myself) She was a big plus for a few weeks, and then she cratered.

It was a big gamble by McCain, but I probably would have done the same thing. Had she turned out better she might have given him an outside chance to win. Had he just picked a ho-hum VP he had zero chance to win.
 

lokiju

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I know some hardcore lefties and some hardcore righities and I don't know anyone that actually liked her or wanted her to run for VP or president for that matter.

Seems like she's painted as some threat or real contender yet no one I've ever spoken to (at least admits) that they'd vote for her.

Anecdotal, I know.
 

Fern

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You are smarter than this. McCain's age definitely made her being on the ticket a factor. My own father (who just turned 70) shied away from McCain because the thought of Palin as POTUS scared the crap out of him.

You miss the point, or I didn't understand his (Dari).

I thought Dari was saying that since the McCain/palin ticket took 46%, it's the same as if 46% wanted her to be president. Then he asked why have they abandoned her (polls now show she has less than that number).

I don't see how your father's position addresses that, or really disproves previous studies on the VP effect. Did some not vote for McCain because of his age and their dislike of Palin? Sure, probably. But did some Palin fans vote for the ticket because of her? Sure, probably. But what was the net effect? Until something is done to disprove the VP effect, I'll stick with it over anedotal evidence etc.

Fern
 
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squirrel dog

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"This was broadcast on NPR's All Things Considered yesterday"

Ok so what ? Isn't this the leftist radio station that get tax money from

everyone that pays taxes to spew their agenda ?
 

shira

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"This was broadcast on NPR's All Things Considered yesterday"

Ok so what ? Isn't this the leftist radio station that get tax money from

everyone that pays taxes to spew their agenda ?

Um, perhaps you missed the part that this review was written by and read by a died-in-the-wool conservative columnist. See the Wiki link.

You can try to discredit this review all you want, but that would be like saying that if Rush or Hannity did an opinion piece on NPR, they would be temporarily liberal.
 

heyheybooboo

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"This was broadcast on NPR's All Things Considered yesterday"

Ok so what ? Isn't this the leftist radio station that get tax money from

everyone that pays taxes to spew their agenda ?

A very small percentage -- between one percent to two percent of NPR's annual budget -- comes from competitive grants sought by NPR from federally funded organizations, such as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, National Science Foundation and the National Endowment for the Arts.


NPRs total budget for FY2008 was around $178 million dollars for 860 independent radio stations.

Supporters contend that NPR does its job well. A study conducted in 2003 by the polling firm Knowledge Networks and the University of Maryland’s Program on International Policy Attitudes showed that those who get their news and information from public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) are better informed than those whose information comes from other media outlets, including cable and broadcast TV networks and the print media.

In particular, 80% of Fox News viewers held at least one of three common misperceptions about the Iraq War; only 23% of NPR listeners and PBS viewers were similarly misinformed.



... and that's the way it is ...




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