A Classification System of Republicans / Conservatives

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: Crimson
If I had posted this thread, and it would have been about liberals, it would have been locked.

:beer:

Like I said before, AT P&N is a Liberal Circle Jerk.

Which banned troll are you? Why don't you tell me what kind of conservative you are since you don't like my options? Can you even do that?

Is it any worse for me to be a banned troll than for you to be an unbanned troll?

Lol so you admit it. The fact that you've been suggests you have broken rules.

I was banned for something stupid and petty not related to politics.

The only reason you haven't been banned is because the mods are flaming liberals.

I've only seen them ban for personal flames. It's when things get personal they get mad. I haven't gotten personal.

Bannings, maybe. But they quickly lock trolling threads. Only if you're a trolling conservative though; a trolling liberal is fine.

I'm none of the above. I've never voted for a Republican. Shortly after turning 18 I learned that there were more than the two parties they attempt to indoctrinate you into in public school, and have voted for third parties ever since.

Are you a conservative?

If you have faith in 3rd parties I suggest you look up Duverger's law. We are in a two party system not by choice but because of the electoral system. If we didn't have first-past the post system 3rd parties would be viable but they are not.

Yeah, the two party system has done us well. Choose from moron Bush or hypocrite Kerry. I'd rather throw my vote away on a third party and be able to live with my choice than have to cast a vote for either one of those disgusting Republicrats.

None of this changes that fact that you're an officially sanctioned P&N Liberal Troll.,

I don't like the two party system either. Seriously: look up duverger's law. I wish we had a proportional system where 3rd parties were viable. Again, you have to understand the difference between wanting 3rd parties and having a system that wants it. I want reform, but voting for 3rd parties is not a solution.

(Why, specifically, do you think I'm a troll? Because I disagree with you? Because I make you angry? If I make you angry it says more about you than me.)

 

[Train]

talk about a bunch of negative options, figures though, seeing it was posted by InfoHawk. That would be like me asking "What type of Democrat are you?" option 1)Pot Smokin hippie or 2)Tree hugging commie?

I would say I'm a republican, mostly liberal. Conservative on a few issues.

As for fiscal idealogy? hmm well, too complicated to summarize here. lets just say anything that has a trace of socialism/marxism/not freeism, or puts us in that direction, is bad news, imo.

I'd probably be a libertarian if it was a realistic option. Though I think thier very existence is causing more libertarian changes in both the Dems and Rep parties, with is a good thing, IMO.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Train
talk about a bunch of negative options, figures though, seeing it was posted by InfoHawk. That would be like me asking "What type of Democrat are you?" option 1)Pot Smokin hippie or 2)Tree hugging commie?

I would say I'm a republican, mostly liberal. Conservative on a few issues.

As for fiscal idealogy? hmm well, too complicated to summarize here. lets just say anything that has a trace of socialism/marxism/not freeism, or puts us in that direction, is bad news, imo.

I'd probably be a libertarian if it was a realistic option. Though I think thier very existence is causing more libertarian changes in both the Dems and Rep parties, with is a good thing, IMO.

No actually it's really different.

Your options are insults. My poll options are not. The descriptions underneath are separate. Also, you had the option to select other which is not present in your hypthetical poll.

Now as to your substantive remarks: how do you call yourself liberal AND republican?

If you think you are a libertarian than you should say fiscal conservative since libertarians are fiscal conservatives.

Based on your other posts you also seem to be a nationalist IMO too though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
The Fiscal Conservative
The most respectable type of Republican, these people suffer from a bizarro view of social and economic justice. Basically, they don't care too much about gays or religion, but they sure don't want hungry children using their hard-inherited money. Their views are based on (mistaken) reasons but they accept reasons nonetheless and rely on facts far more than other Republicans do. Their goal in posting is to show people they're wrong and to show people that taxes are unjust but that inheritance is fine.

Wah, Wah, Think of the Children, Wah! :roll::roll::roll:

Fiscal conservatives are people who are moral enough to know that stealing is wrong, and intelligent enough to that you can't spend money that doesn't exist.


In the meantime, I can't believe I fed a troll who should be banned...

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Infohawk
The Fiscal Conservative
The most respectable type of Republican, these people suffer from a bizarro view of social and economic justice. Basically, they don't care too much about gays or religion, but they sure don't want hungry children using their hard-inherited money. Their views are based on (mistaken) reasons but they accept reasons nonetheless and rely on facts far more than other Republicans do. Their goal in posting is to show people they're wrong and to show people that taxes are unjust but that inheritance is fine.

Wah, Wah, Think of the Children, Wah! :roll::roll::roll:

Fiscal conservatives are people who are moral enough to know that stealing is wrong, and intelligent enough to that you can't spend money that doesn't exist.


In the meantime, I can't believe I fed a troll who should be banned...

Umm... you can't have it both ways. You call me a troll who should be banned. Then you address my beliefs.

I'll choose to not respond to you instead of both insulting you and engaging you.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't like the two party system either. Seriously: look up duverger's law. I wish we had a proportional system where 3rd parties were viable. Again, you have to understand the difference between wanting 3rd parties and having a system that wants it. I want reform, but voting for 3rd parties is not a solution.

(Why, specifically, do you think I'm a troll? Because I disagree with you? Because I make you angry? If I make you angry it says more about you than me.)

Angry? I'm not angry at you. You should be angry with yourself. You and every other flaming liberal in this forum.

I seriously considered voting for Kerry just to oust Bush, but it's people like you that pushed me to stay away from Republicrats again in this election. Everything you and many others here post is so full of hate, how is that supposed to win anybody over to your side? If people want hate, they can get that from the "neocons" you so despise. So if both sides are hateful, why pick Kerry over Bush? Is Democrat hate better than Republican hate?

I vote for 3rd parties to increase their viability. If everybody thought the way you did, then nobody at all would vote for 3rd parties, and where would that get us? There would be no opinion outside of the Republicrat status quo.

Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists may not be viable candidates at the national level, but if everybody only voted for Republicrats, then the only message they'll be getting is that they're doing things the right way. We need another Perot (just not as crazy) who can bite big chunks out of the main parties to force the big two to change.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Train
talk about a bunch of negative options, figures though, seeing it was posted by InfoHawk. That would be like me asking "What type of Democrat are you?" option 1)Pot Smokin hippie or 2)Tree hugging commie?

I would say I'm a republican, mostly liberal. Conservative on a few issues.

As for fiscal idealogy? hmm well, too complicated to summarize here. lets just say anything that has a trace of socialism/marxism/not freeism, or puts us in that direction, is bad news, imo.

I'd probably be a libertarian if it was a realistic option. Though I think thier very existence is causing more libertarian changes in both the Dems and Rep parties, with is a good thing, IMO.

No actually it's really different.

Your options are insults. My poll options are not. The descriptions underneath are separate. Also, you had the option to select other which is not present in your hypthetical poll.

Now as to your substantive remarks: how do you call yourself liberal AND republican?

If you think you are a libertarian than you should say fiscal conservative since libertarians are fiscal conservatives.

Based on your other posts you also seem to be a nationalist IMO too though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's not different. This thread is nothing but one big insult. You just called him a Nationalist, which your poll also classifies as a racist. That's an attack.

You describe a fiscal conservative as someone who is trying to protect their inheritance. I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal, as are most libertarians. Most libertarians that I know didn't inherit squat. They worked hard for their money.

This thread is a troll. Why hasn't it been locked?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

I vote for 3rd parties to increase their viability. If everybody thought the way you did, then nobody at all would vote for 3rd parties, and where would that get us? There would be no opinion outside of the Republicrat status quo.

Libertarians, Greens, Constitutionalists may not be viable candidates at the national level, but if everybody only voted for Republicrats, then the only message they'll be getting is that they're doing things the right way. We need another Perot (just not as crazy) who can bite big chunks out of the main parties to force the big two to change.

You don't understand Duverger's law. There's a great explanation on Wikipedia. We're in a first past the post system with winner take all. There can be no viable third parties. It's not simply a matter of voting for them. It's a matter of chanigng the underlying system.

Read about first-past the post vs. proportional system. In a proportional system, if 20% of Americans voted for Libertarians, 20% of COngress would be libertarian (and in the presidential race there'd be a runoff). In the US, even if 20% OF aMERICANS vote for libertarians, they won't win unless they have 50% + in a certain district.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Umm... you can't have it both ways. You call me a troll who should be banned. Then you address my beliefs.

I'll choose to not respond to you instead of both insulting you and engaging you.

1. You did respond to me :roll:

2. I did not address your beliefs. For all I know, you don't believe anything. I addressed the evident hatred in your post.
To further that address, most fiscal conservatives are like me and haven't inherited anything. They made what they have and worked themselves up the hard way, only to find some asshole who hasn't done sh!t but sit on his ass and complain but thinks he's entitled to everything they made.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Note to self "Don't feed the trolls"

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Vic

To further that address, most fiscal conservatives are like me and haven't inherited anything. They made what they have and worked themselves up the hard way, only to find some asshole who hasn't done sh!t but sit on his ass and complain but thinks he's entitled to everything they made.

You know how to make a liberal into a conservative right?

Watch them earn & save over $100K

-worked for me, I'm a conservative 2X over now...

Tell that to George Soros. I think you're a bit owned in that department (and by countless other liberals).

Most rich people I know are Democrats. Most educated people I know are Democrats.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Tell that to George Soros. I think you're a bit owned in that department (and by countless other liberals).

Most rich people I know are Democrats. Most educated people I know are Democrats.

Which (translated) means that most of the people that you know who were born into affluence are Democrats. Educated and rich != self-made.
Which is exactly the jab you were making about fiscal conservatives, that they were born that way and proctecting their inheritence. In reality, most fiscal conservatives are people who born poor (like myself) and made their money, and don't look kindly on smiling thieves who come to steal the fruits of their labor.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Vic

To further that address, most fiscal conservatives are like me and haven't inherited anything. They made what they have and worked themselves up the hard way, only to find some asshole who hasn't done sh!t but sit on his ass and complain but thinks he's entitled to everything they made.

You know how to make a liberal into a conservative right?

Watch them earn & save over $100K

-worked for me, I'm a conservative 2X over now...

Tell that to George Soros. I think you're a bit owned in that department (and by countless other liberals).

Most rich people I know are Democrats. Most educated people I know are Democrats.

The poorest and least educated are Democrats too. So what does that prove? Nothing, just like your generalization about the rich and educated.

Not to mention that if you live in New England the educated rich people will be Democrats, while if you live in Texas, the educated rich people are Republicans. There's no correlation between social status and political leanings.

P.S. You're still a troll.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Note to self "Don't feed the trolls"

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

I was countering vic's post that he thinks people with money become conservative with my anedcotes.

Anyway, it sounds like you're a fiscal conservative. Which includes libertarians.

Now as for your third party interest I hope you look up Duverger's law and our electoral system and proportional systems and see how a third party won't become viable.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Note to self "Don't feed the trolls"

sorry, what was i thinking?

back to work....

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Note to self "Don't feed the trolls"

sorry, what was i thinking?

back to work....

Here's what you were thinking. You saw the poll and wanted to answer it. Then you saw people get angry because I think religious wackos exist in the world and you took it too personally.

 

[Train]

you dont have enough brain power to think what i was thinking.

And if i was to verbalize what I was thinking about YOU, youd probably cry.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Train
you dont have enough brain power to think what i was thinking.

And if i was to verbalize what I was thinking about YOU, youd probably cry.

Wow. A personal insult about my intelligence. Who is really the troll?

And please feel free to verbalize. Let your anger flow Christian soldier.

 

[Mockery]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Tell that to George Soros. I think you're a bit owned in that department (and by countless other liberals).

Most rich people I know are Democrats. Most educated people I know are Democrats.

It must be a lonely life to have only met one person....

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Mockery

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Tell that to George Soros. I think you're a bit owned in that department (and by countless other liberals).

Most rich people I know are Democrats. Most educated people I know are Democrats.

It must be a lonely life to have only met one person....

How much you will assume to justify your beliefs! No wonder you have so many absurd thoughts

 

[Mockery]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Mockery

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Tell that to George Soros. I think you're a bit owned in that department (and by countless other liberals).

Most rich people I know are Democrats. Most educated people I know are Democrats.

It must be a lonely life to have only met one person....

How much you will assume to justify your beliefs! No wonder you have so many absurd thoughts

As you can see by the creation of this thread, I'm the one with the with the generalizing and oversimplification problem. Lol??.hahahahahhaha

It must be fun to be such a closed minded individual.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Mockery

It must be fun to be such a closed minded individual.

I'm not close-minded. I actually change my mind. But it takes arguments. I haven't heard anything but whining in this thread.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

I'm not close-minded. I actually change my mind. But it takes arguments. I haven't heard anything but whining in this thread.[/quote]

I would say there is a pretty good argument that your disclaimer was not as effective as it would have been to remove the negative loading from your descriptions.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: Infohawk

I'm not close-minded. I actually change my mind. But it takes arguments. I haven't heard anything but whining in this thread.

I would say there is a pretty good argument that your disclaimer was not as effective as it would have been to remove the negative loading from your descriptions.[/quote]

And that's why I said I made a mistake by not putting in the disclaimer early enough.